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No, Artest is an average ofensive player (or maybe worst) the thing is he thinks he is the second coming of Jordan, that's why he takes awful shot after awful shot at a 40 % rate, and coaches are too afraid to tell him different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
RJ on the other hand is trully an above average player on both sides of the court.
I see there are alot of guys here who dont watch basketball and just spew shit for the hell of it. You'd have to be a complete retard to think Artest doesnt make the Lakers signifigantly better. All these other posters suggesting Artest is not that good...or lost a step...or whatever, are either uneducated and never seen the man play or trying to make themselves feel better and convince themselves that the Lakers aren't the top team in the West. Either way, you're wrong and regardless how many times you wanna say the opposite...the Lakers have gotten way better with the addition of Artest. I just cant wait until the season starts so all this bullshit can be put to bed and we'll see who sinks and who swims.
If you think Phil or Kobe will be afraid to tell Artest not to be a dumbass then you're delusional .Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Artest shot 45% in Sac as the number 1 option. Now that Artest is out of that shithole of a system which was Houston his efficiency will sky rocket playing next to Kobe.
RJ has been an awful defender that past couple years. Meanwhile Artest is making 2nd team all-defense and holding Lebron James to 39% shooting.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Career averages:
-42% FG
-34% 3PT
-72% FT
-1.2 Assts/TO ratio
And he's dumb, selfish and can't drible the ball. That Artest guy sure sounds like a fine ofensive player.
Why don't we draw a stalemate here instead of this constant one upsmanship? We won't know for sure the impact until the season starts and progresses.
I'm sure both acquisitions (Artest and Jefferson) will be positive assets to their prospective teams. Both teams did well.
Okay?
You forgot 4 time NBA ALL-Defense and DPOY. Artest shot 39% from the arc last as Houston's quasi number 1 option. Now put him in the Ariza role where 99% of his shots are completely wide open. :lobt2:Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
What has RJ ever done beside suck Luke Walton's cock?
And what that has to do with ofense?Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
He won't shoot that % in a season ever again. By the way he shot 27% from 3pt land in the playoffs.Quote:
Artest shot 39% from the arc last as Houston's quasi number option. Now put him in the Ariza role where 99% of his shots are completely wide open. :lobt2:
Well besides beign to the NBA finals twice, he has career averages of:Quote:
What has RJ ever done beside suck Luke Walton's cock?
-18 pts
-47% FG
-35% 3PT
-78% FT
All above average ofensive numbers.
its amazing reading this crap. the emotion that goes into some this drivel, and how it affects your opinions...shut up. i don't know why people forget about Manu, if he's healthy the Spurs are easily the second best team in the West last year. Add, a healthy Manu (not out of the question), Jefferson, Blair, Haislip and Mahinmi...thats infinitely better than last year's team. last year's bigs were stiffs, lest you forget. a healthy Spurs beats any team, fucking retards...get some perspective. and if we aren't healthy...its not in the cards, get over it.
...not to mention, we still might get someone else.
It's July 6th, chill out..
you guys should know better than to continue this argument with people that openly cheer for rapists that shit on their teammates, and wife beaters that abuse animals..
you're like a little tiny baby that needs to be breast fed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
Don't be mad just because Jefferson has no idea how to play defense. oh and at least Artest has a post game.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Sure he will, next year. By the way, Artest actually took his team to the 2nd round (something the Spurs couldn't do).Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
All inflated numbers by leeching off of Jason Kidd. There's a reason the Nets and Bucks couldn't get rid of him fast enough. He's a jumpshooting blackhole that doesn't play any defense with one of the worst contracts in the entire NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Jefferson: 14,200,000
Artest: 6,000,000
:lmao
Which makes perfect sense considering he had his best year offensively last year with the Bucks.:rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
So 'cause stats don't help you, you pull the "defense" card, which is very subjective. RJ was the main defensive wing for a two times NBA finals team, I'm sure he isn't as bad as you think he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
And Artest doesn't have a post game, in fact he doesn't have any ofensive skills. He just muscles his way to a 42 field goal percentage.
About the 3pt % we'll have to wait and see. And about the Rockets, they got to the 2nd round despite Ron Artest.Quote:
Sure he will, next year. By the way, Artest actually took his team to the 2nd round (something the Spurs couldn't do).
:blah , if you are an above average ofensive player you can put RJ numbers, if you aren't, you shoot 42 % from the field, simple as that.Quote:
All inflated numbers by leeching off of Jason Kidd. There's a reason the Nets and Bucks couldn't get rid of him fast enough. He's a jumpshooting blackhole that doesn't play any defense with one of the worst contracts in the entire NBA.
Yep, usually the better player gets paid more. Besides, what do I care? I don't pay any of them.Quote:
Jefferson: 14,200,000
Artest: 6,000,000
:lmao
Stats help me just fine. Artest held Pierce, Melo, LBJ to 40%~ shooting last season. Elite defense. RJ was busy getting torched every game in Milwaukee leading his team to more lottery balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
You obviously haven't watched RJ play recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Artest does have a post game. You just don't watch basketball outside of SA. You're ignorance is hilarious. Oh and RJ shit his way to a 43 field goal percentage on his way to the lottery :lol Meanwhile Artest is winning playoff series.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
They don't beat Portland without Artest. It's a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
RJ was exposed on the Bucks, 43% without a super passing PG or wing to create shots for him. He's a volume shooting blackhole that doesn't play defense now. His FG% was inflated by J-Kidd and RJ proved he can't carry a team by himself. Artest has (see the Kings), carried them straight to the playoffs and took the Spurs to 6 games.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
No, toxic contracts are given away (see Jefferson, Randolf) while Artest was courted by title contenders because they know how valuable he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Laker fans are funny - they continue to try and sell themselves on Artest being a cooperative role player, but in the back of their minds they know that Artest is an attention whore that needs to be significant. That'll be pretty tough with the current cast. He reminds me of Rodman and the only one that could tame him was Jordan - sorry Kobe does not have the charisma to keep Artest in check. This is the best thing that could've happened to the Spurs this offseason and to read all of these bandwagon Spur fans mourn over the loss of Sheed - they completely miss the gem that this roster change means in the long run.
If Ron Artest was truly an attention whore seeking the spotlight then WTF did he sign in LA for millions less and a dramatically reduced role? That doesn't make sense.
I don't see why either side has to belittle each other's acquisitions. I'm sure RJ will workout great just as I'm sure Artest is going to add a new dimension to the Lakers they have not had in a long time. The Lakers didn't need to make this move, but I'm glad they did. Never be satisfied with what you have, always look to upgrade.
I dunno. But him going on SportsCenter that same night was telling. No other Free Agent has done that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrHouse
I'm sorry - I didn't realize that I was the first person to ever say that he's an attention whore. He figures he can supplement his lower contract through his record contract I guess. You truly are kidding yourself if you think that he will be comfortable in a reduced role for long. I really am only trying to point out that his mentality is not one of a role player or even a normal person for that matter. Call it belittling or whatever, but don't try to sell us that he is in it for the team and all that b.s. - when has he ever done that?Quote:
Originally Posted by DrHouse
Can't be delusional about your consistency in being wrong - keep preaching brother. You're making me feel better about the Artest acquisition with each one of your posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost Writer
Ron Artest is coming to a team that doesn't really NEED his services. What he gives will be an added bonus and dimension to an already stacked team.Quote:
Originally Posted by underdawg
I sincerely doubt Ron would leave millions on the table and accept a reduced role just for kicks. The man wants to win a championship, he saw LO and Kobe in the Finals and it set something off inside of him. I think he's going to work out just fine.
If I were you I'd worry about the Spurs anemic front court because RJ or not they won't win shit without some serious additions there.
If Lakers keep Odom, yes they are the clear favorites. Above anyone else. But if they lose odom, they have taken a step back and joined the rest of the pack.
Let's also not forget last season the 2 other best teams in the league, Celtics/Spurs were injured so Lakers danced their way to a championship without facing real "tests"
I was a bit worried, but this does help. Let's be honest - LA needed Ariza last year in a watered down West and they'll need something more next year if some of the pretenders last season get their crap together.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrHouse
The Lakers won it all, fair and square. You can't determine who you'll play, the fact remains the Lakers were the best team all season long. There is no disputing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by underdawg
You guys did win it fair and square, I don't like excuses. And when you lose it, I don't want to hear excuses either.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrHouse
Laker fans are always going on about how many championships they might have won had Shaq and Kobe stayed together. But part of what made them great, is why they had to part ways. It's just who they were. There were no championships lost.
What makes Manu great is he lays it all on the line every game and his body takes a beating for the way he plays. It happened to Bird, too. Their bodies can wear out. I think Manu is far from done, but his injuries (in the NBA, and for his home country) are also part of who he is. If, as some Spurs fans maintain, he "cost" us a championship by being injured, he wouldn't have been as effective all these years if he didn't play all out and gained so much experience in international play. He will be in the HOF as much for leading Argentina to a Gold Medal and being Olympic MVP as winning 3+ championships with the Spurs. It's who he is.
The way you post it seems you obviously haven't watched RJ or Artest play at all. You keep saying that RJ only shot a shitty 43 % last season,lol Ok Artest shot 40% from the field last season :lol good argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
And RJ is the "volume shooting blackhole",you must have a short memory, (see Ron's series against LA).