Tyson Chandler on the Trade Market Again

Overpaid pogo stick who is nothing without Chris Paul.

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Originally Posted by bishopospurs

26 year old 7'1 proven rebounder/shot blocker, it is worth a phone call. The worst that could happen is the spurs get a bad medical report and move on with free agency.

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you don't pay a rebounder/shot blocker 10 million per year.

without chris paul tossing him alley-oops - he's essentially Sagana Diop.

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Originally Posted by K-State Spur

you don't pay a rebounder/shot blocker 10 million per year.

without chris paul tossing him alley-oops - he's essentially Sagana Diop.

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Actually, $10 million for a defensive center who rebounds and/or blocks shots is right about the going rate. In fact, sometimes those guys get more than that.

Ben Wallace, Sam Dalembert, Emeka Okafor, Andris Biedrins all got long term contracts in the neighborhood of $11-15 million per year. Obviously, that's overpaying. But, because the NBA is so devoid of quality centers, especially true centers that will rebound, block shots, and bang, $10 million a year while a lot, is probably roughly the market value. Now, some teams that have other great players can get away with lesser players at the center position. But, it would be inaccurate to say teams don't pay a rebounder/shot blocker $10 million a year.

Chris Paul helped Chandler get a few more buckets a game, but CP3 doesn't really affected his rebounding or shot blocking. Chandler isn't a great big man, but to compare him to Diop is pretty harsh. Diop has never averaged more than 19 mpg at any point in his career, even when he was a starter. Chandler is a legitimate starting center in the league.

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Originally Posted by JamStone

Actually, $10 million for a defensive center who rebounds and/or blocks shots is right about the going rate. In fact, sometimes those guys get more than that.

Ben Wallace, Sam Dalembert, Emeka Okafor, Andris Biedrins all got long term contracts in the neighborhood of $11-15 million per year. Obviously, that's overpaying. But, because the NBA is so devoid of quality centers, especially true centers that will rebound, block shots, and bang, $10 million a year while a lot, is probably roughly the market value. Now, some teams that have other great players can get away with lesser players at the center position. But, it would be inaccurate to say teams don't pay a rebounder/shot blocker $10 million a year.

Chris Paul helped Chandler get a few more buckets a game, but CP3 doesn't really affected his rebounding or shot blocking. Chandler isn't a great big man, but to compare him to Diop is pretty harsh. Diop has never averaged more than 19 mpg at any point in his career, even when he was a starter. Chandler is a legitimate starting center in the league.

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Wallace was on a different level defensively when he signed that deal. Dalembert was paid based on potential, not production. and Okafor & Biedrens are SIGNIFICANTLY better offensive players than Chandler.

Chandler is a 5 ppg scorer without Paul. He's flat out terrible on that end of the floor if there's not an oop that he can alley (and even that's up in the air with his injury concerns).

The going rate for that is a lot closer to the MLE or less. That's what Diop got, and every team since has regretted having that salary on their books.

And Ben Wallace was paid $15 million a year, not $10 million. Dalembert was paid because he was a 7 footer who could block shots and rebound. He was overpaid not only because of his perceived potential, but because legit centers who actually rebound and block shots are hard to come by in today's NBA. It's the same reason not only those I just mentioned but guys like Dampier, Kaman, Bogut among others got paid way more than they deserve.

As for Okafor and Biedrins being "significantly" better offensive players than Chandler, that's crap. They might be better, but not much. Those two are both crap offensive players too. Biedrins on any other team other than Golden State would average under 10 ppg too. Okafor still hasn't developed an offensive game since he was drafted.

Chandler is capable of averaging right around 10 ppg with or without CP3. Check his career stats. It's not merely because of CP3. It was how many minutes he was playing. His per 36 minutes scoring stats give a pretty good indication that he's somewhere around 9-12 ppg playing with CP3 or not. If he gets 30 or so mpg, he'll give a team 10 ppg. He runs the floor and he's a good offensive rebounder. That's where he gets his points. Just like Biedrins by the way.

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Originally Posted by timvp

He already played again after he failed his physical. But it sounds like his toe injury is degenerative and he also has ankle problems. Add in back issues and he's way too much of an injury concern. There's probably only a 50/50 chance he's healthy come next playoffs.

Plus he didn't rebound that well last year or block shots well for the last few years and Chandler doesn't make much sense. He might be worth the gamble for a team that could hope he bounces back but for a team like the Spurs who just needs a solid piece in the middle, way too many question marks.

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I wasn't aware he was this injured. I think there is to much risk for the amount of money he makes.

Biedrins is not any better offensively than Chandler. At all.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Biedrins is not any better offensively than Chandler. At all.

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he scored 12 ppg last year on 60% from the floor without chris paul's help.

he's not a great back-to-the basket player, but he can drive the lane and do a few things with the ball in his hands.

chandler is completely worthless offensively except for finishing dunks and offensive rebound put-backs.

So what. It was all off of dunks and put backs. Chandler has very good hands as well. Chandler shot something like 57%, so it is not like a huge difference. If you watch them play, you can see there is very little difference.

Biedrins is nice player, but he is all about finishing at the rim.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Oh well. It was worth a try.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...alk/Ohdarn.jpg

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:lol

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

I would have taken him a couple years ago, but when you are big like that and you start breaking down it is really hard to maintain yourself. Shaq is really lucky he has not had a lot of problems in his career.

And on top of everything we would have to give up Manu for him.

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I think the Hornets will accept an offer from anyone willing to match salaries with expiring contracts; that's basically what they did with OKC.

I would have taken him a couple years ago too, but now he's an injury risk beyond repair. Thunder got him for a bag of magic beans, and then voided the trade due a physical. That's one of the biggest red flags I can ever recall when it comes to a player.

I would take Chandler on another team, but not this one..

we already have Manu, Duncan, Mahinmi, and Blair with serious injury concerns..

Chandler is not a shot blocker

If he was healthy sure. But pass.

Run away screaming from Chandler. He doesn't fit us at all. Contract is far too big, injury concerns, no offensive game (can't space the floor for Tim like Dice or Sheed can), overrated defensively.

I have a feeling you saw his best two seasons ago and he will never go near that again.

The Spurs would rather give Gortat the entire MLE than even breathe the same air as Chandler. If you guys think Nazr or Elson or Bonner were disappointments, try taking on Chandler who's making 10 million a year.

If the spurs pick him up im no longer a fan. that dude on that salary is the last thing a team like us right now would ever need.

We don't get Sheed or Dice, I'd have to go with:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

That leaves us with the FULL MLE, LLE and Vets Minimum to sign a Shooter.

Marquiece Daniels sounds good off the bench for some of the MLE, possibly sign Iverson with the MLE as well to score off the bench..

Tony/Hill
Manu/Iverson
Jefferson/Gist
Duncan/Blair
Chandler/Ian

Our second unit would basically run up and down, pushing other teams to the limit. With Hill and Iverson I could see that work because of Iversons scoring and Hills defense, this IMO is our best shot.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

So what. It was all off of dunks and put backs. Chandler has very good hands as well. Chandler shot something like 57%, so it is not like a huge difference. If you watch them play, you can see there is very little difference.

Biedrins is nice player, but he is all about finishing at the rim.

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beidrins would be up around 18 ppg with chris paul as his PG.

there is not one player in the entire league who is as completely dependent on another for his offense as chandler is to paul.

he looks to be seriously injured. i don't think he'll ever be the athletic big man he was two years ago. he doesn't really have anything to offer.

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Originally Posted by lurker23

I would have taken him a couple years ago too, but now he's an injury risk beyond repair. Thunder got him for a bag of magic beans, and then voided the trade due a physical. That's one of the biggest red flags I can ever recall when it comes to a player.

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That says it all.

We dont need Tyson Chandler....He is a great weak side shot blocker but thats it. Chris Paul makes that guy look 100 times better than he really is. We should be fine with Gist/Blair/Ian and the FA big.

Looks like he is heading to the Bobcats, Okafor to the Hornets. Does that help the Hornets? I think the Hornets are getting the better deal, if Chandler doesn't work out health wise for the Bobcats Larry Brown will be again dragging his legacy through the mud.

oh yeah, a link, http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html