http://www.laopiniondemalaga.es/secc...nicaja-Antonio
This article sounds like it's a deal done.
Edit by Kori: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/49978952.html
Confirmed by Express-News. Looks like it's for the minimum.
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http://www.laopiniondemalaga.es/secc...nicaja-Antonio
This article sounds like it's a deal done.
Edit by Kori: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/49978952.html
Confirmed by Express-News. Looks like it's for the minimum.
Looks like they reached an agreement but can't sign yet for some reason.
You can't sign before Jul 8th because of the July moratorium.Quote:
Originally Posted by DMX7
Weird. Haislip was a pretty good prospect -- a half decade ago. He hasn't played in the NBA since 2005. I wonder if this is just a summer league contract or perhaps a training camp invite.
This probably isn't the best of news for Mahinmi and Gist . . .
Hey Bruno, thanks for posting this. Can you give us some info about him please?
DX has made a complete article about him in January:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...-Haislip-2681/
Maybe they signed him to an unguaranteed contract for summer league?
Before summer league, most all the players sign 2 year/unguaranteed contracts.
Haislip is a very good player in Europe, I doubt it's an unguaranteed contract.
Haslip is rated by DraftExpress as the third best overseas free agent -- behind only Brontosaurus and Pargo. If he's that well regarded these days, perhaps this is a legit NBA contract he's receiving from the Spurs.
DraftExpress has an extensive write-up about him: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/...-Haislip-2681/
It's very interesting that he's developed a three-point shot. It sounds like he has developed his game well.
DX has him rated higher than Siskauskas and Nachbar. If that's accurate, then Haislip probably got a guaranteed contract. Depending on the terms, it could be a nice way to add some size with potential to the team. Most likely better than skimming the bottom of the barrel and going with someone like Frye.
How good? LLE good or one-year minimum good? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
With the economical crisis, I would say min salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Spurs going after Haislip likely means that Gist won't be with the team next year.
Or could it mean bonner is being ship out?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Interesting. Remember right around the draft RC said they were looking at some guys overseas. Probably had this guy in mind as he knew (and said) Spitter wasn't in his plans for this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPp0DZj3QJs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STk02KKVksk
This guy was so raw when he was with the Bucks. No questioning his athletic ability, kind of a cross between Amare and Swift in that regard. Can't hurt to invite him to camp:)
For those like me that can't read Spanish, I ran this through translation.... kinda funny read, but the general idea is there.
The wing-center has reached already a principle according to the Spurs of the NBA, although the franchise of Texas will not be able to do official its contracting to on the 8
RAFAEL M. WAR. MALAGA Marcus Haislip was obsessed with the idea to return to the NBA and its constancy already has prize. The former player of the Unicaja, where military the two last seasons, has arrived at a principle according to San Antonio Spurs, where military the next campaign. The American will return thus to the best League of the world, something that had always among eyebrow and eyebrow in this last course. So much he is thus, that when the Unicaja presented its agent the enlargement of its contract, before even that to conclude the League, the representative gave it for impossible. "Marcus only thinks about leaving Europe and to return to the NBA", wine to say.
Therefore said and done. The boy, the truth, considered hurry to show its was worth. Not even it responded to the food of the club, some days after the Unicaja to fall eliminated in the semifinals against the Barcelona. The Opinion already announced a month ago that its only pretension was to play in the NBA. And thus is going to be. Neither Unicaja neither Maccabi neither Efes Beer, clubs these two last to the ones that diverse media and pages webs have related him in the last dates. Its destiny will be San Antonio Spurs. The historic franchise of the state of Texas already has a draft agreement with Haislip. July 8, just as sends the regulatory one NBA, the franchises will be able to make public its first acquisitions. Haislip will be one of them.
They have been four years in the old world, two in Turkey and other two in Spain. Disembarked in the Ottoman country of the hand of the Ulker (2005-06). And, to the following year, signed for the great enemy, the Efes Beer. Was progressing incredibly in those two phases. It conserved always its sensational springs and began to play out of the zone. The Unicaja was set in it, Haislip remained free and both signed a contract for two seasons. That operation has supposed the major economic disbursement in the history of the club. The American, probably one of the three better wing-centers of the European basketball, has received a salary of 3.3 million free euro of taxes in these two years. In Malaga has signed some excellent numbers, but has not come fill the high expectations that created its acquisition. Has been, that yes, the most noticeable player, the maximum scorer. 102 parties. It has disputed 102 encounters with the green undershirt (69 of League ACB, 29 of Euroliga and 4 of Cup of the King) in which has averaged, in 26:06 minutes, 13.8 points, 4.3 repercussions, 0.9 plugs and 12.9 points of appraisal.
Born in Lewisburg (Tennessee) December 22, 1980, Haislip puts point and final, already in an official way, to its phase in the Unicaja. At last, as was its great desire, returns to the NBA. There was ´drafteado by the Milwaukee Bucks in the position 13 of the ´draft´ of 2002. After two seasons in Milwaukee went to Indiana. Without place, did the suitcases to Europe, where has progressed a lot. In San Antonio will share wardrobe with grandísimas stars of the basketball as the French base Tony Parker, the Argentine escort Manu Ginóbili or the center Tim Duncan.
To dead king, king placed. It ruled out finally the option of Haislip, the Unicaja anticipates to do official in the next days the contracting of the Greek wing-center Georgios Printezis. The own Greek player admitted yesterday to this newspaper that the negotiations are already "practically closed" and that will play "the three next seasons in Malaga". Printezis is a ´four´ very different to Haislip. Does not it possess neither their physical power neither their capacity of annotation, although they vouch for him their tremendous future and their fantastic attitude. To the contrary that the American, Printezis is a boy very implied in everything that does, an authentic defense, a warrior in the trail.
The former one of the Olympiacos indicated yesterday that at the beginning of this week "all will be solved already". "I will be able to go very tranquil with the national selection. I do not know if Malaga will want that go now or after the Eurobásket to pass the controls and to be presented". Printezis will charge 1.1 million Euro by each one of the three campaigns that will be in the Unicaja. The wing-center of 2.06 meters was born February 22, 1985 in the capital, Athens. He comes from the Olympiacos that, although he tried to renew it, he did not offer the quantities that the Unicaja yes has satisfied. Although he was ´drafteado´, exactly, by San Antonio, in the position 58 of the 2007, his rights in the NBA are of Toronto Raptors. Printezis a clause of escape has been kept to the best League of the world in the second year of contract in Malaga.
It's more an "and" than an "or".Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFan0728
Haislip and Gist are quite similar players. I don't see Spurs having both under contract, even more when they will have Mahinmi and Blair under contract.
wtf,
WALLACE OR BUST
Haislip has always been damn athletic. He was basically a Stromile Swift clone before leaving for Europe. If he's added some skill to his game overseas, he could be a nice addition. And yeah, I agree this (if true, of course) means that Gist will spend another season in Europe.
Going from YouTube clips, he looks better than the mighty Javtokas :wow
He really does look like Amare lite in those clips.Quote:
Originally Posted by callo1
Does anyone know what kind of a defender he is?
According to the write up, not good with head fakes, but excellent perimeter big defender and pick and roll defender due to his athleticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Schmoogins
THE ODOM STOPPER?!?!?!??!?
That would be a Spurs FO Gem indeed!
This forum is so sad. "Fans" here do not even know Haislip. There are no true basketball fans here. All you know is Spurs players.
Couldn't hurt to give him a look....he was after all blocking shots in those clips.
For the money we have to be paying him, this can't be a bad signing.
It will be good to have more than one athletic big man on the roster.
after doing a bit of research... DX puts it like this:
"Haislip often doesn’t look to rebound outside of his area. In addition to not showing ideal effort on the glass, Haislip shows even less effort on the defensive end. His 7.8 rebounds per-40 minutes is an extremely poor figure, and is indicative of the type of rebounder he’s been throughout his entire career.
Despite being able to come up with an occasional highlight reel block, Haislip usually looks disinterested on the defensive end. He has the tools to alter some shots each game, but doesn’t show great awareness when defending the weak-side."
So, it sounds like he's an athletic freak, and has polished his offensive game. However, dx doesn't make his defense sound all too promising.
Bruno comparing Haislip to Gist, how would you rate the two prospects?
If Gist is the more talented/committed defender & rebounder... who's more valuable? Without honestly knowing much about Haislip, my first thought:
I'd prefer Gist of the two due to his expressed interest in being a lock down defender.
Could be a gem for the LLE. Give Spurs FO credit for having the balls to gamble on this has been/ prospect if that's even the case. More than likely its a training camp invite. Regardless its still a good gamble to consider. All in all lets all pray Sheed comes home and helps Tim and co. get the franchises' 5th ring.
I agree about Sheed of course, but you may be surprised about what you can get for the LLE or less: not all good players, especially those of a particular niche, play in the NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
did I see him punch a guy out in that clip? It was a nice hit, can't wait to see that aggression on the court.
Haislip is a very good PF in Europe, Gist is far from that level. So right now, I would say that Haislip is significantly better than Gist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Schmoogins
If Spurs signs Gist this year, there is a good chance that he spends most of the season in D-League. So if Gist agrees with that, the best solution with him is likely to let him grow in Europe one more year.
that explains why he has a player rating of below 60 on nbalive...now i have to sign him to the spurs roster hahahahahaQuote:
Originally Posted by callo1
Agreed Spurs brass is indeed more high on Haislip than Gist if this Haislip article is true. They obviously have done their due diligence to know more than anyone on this board in regard of the two players. Therefore I'm fine with Gist spending one more year overseas or in Austin. He was a very late 2nd round pick for a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
wow. cia pop doing big things.
:corn::corn::corn:Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanfromwestwood
so where does that leave the spurs with signin wallace MLE or resignin gooden...i think both are not in the spurs plans....Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
spurs probably filling out the roster with cheap contracts
i can accept the spurs signing haislip over gist but haislip over wallace would be baffling.
In that case, this most certainly is a good thing... The Spurs' overall talent has just increased. Thanks for the info!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
The Spurs are making it clear they are determined to address their athletic 4 issue.
A couple of inches taller than Blair but Blair's wingspan is a couple of inches longer.. similar leaping ability.. intriguing shotblocking potential along with Ian.. I like what i see in the videos and hopefully he shows up in the summer league
I think that Haislip would be signed for a one-year minimum, so we will still have the money for signing Wallace or some other big.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
Excellent signing and we'll see how it works out. There haven't been a lot of PFs returning to the NBA from abroad and working out - I'm thinking of those like Baston - but this is a good gamble with not a lot of risk. And I seriously doubt this gets in the way of a Rasheed or Dice signing. Haislip is not a starter in the NBA at this point and will have to prove he can be a rotation guy.
His athleticism is absolutely freakish, but his fundamentals are lacking. It shows a lot, however, that he's improved his game from the Swift wannabe of several years ago. He's still a bit of a project, even at 28, but the Spurs are the exactly correct team for him to be on. He should be willing to bust his butt on defense and rebounding, and we may have ourselves a minor gem.
As for Gist... I was concerned/amused that we'd have so many rookies and near-rookies (with Mahinmi) on the squad next year. Something had to give. I expect Gist to stay abroad and get his playing time, with Blair, Mahinmi, and maybe McClinton and MW/Hairston staying on the squad.
No, no, no. Blair is not a big leaper. Haislip is a jumping freak, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by raspsa
Indeed! If the Spurs Neutralize Odom (ie signing Haislip to hit the 3, catch an alley or two, and guard Odom) with the team they have, plus Sheed, the Spurs beat the Lakers. It's that simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joe Schmoogins
If that Spurs team could even slow Odom, that would be great. Because he is an instant mismatch.
Longshot, but possible.
so what position will this guy play?
Agreed! The Spurs can teach defense, but they cannot teach world class athleticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
The Sheed is dead (lazy, old, uncoachable, childish, career-wasting),
long live the Haislip!
i've never heard of him until today but looking at his stats, his rebounding sucks pretty much for a PF. how's his rebounding?
This from DX (Feb. 2008) in regards to Haislip:
"Look for some smart team to step up to the plate this summer and offer him a deal starting somewhere around the lower level exception."
Looks good on offense
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyiK5nf95Cs
and blocking
Can he rebound?
If the Spurs get Sheed or Dice, they don't need rebounding with the likes of Duncan, Sheed/Dice, and Blair on board. All the Spurs would want from Haislip is to bring that freakish athleticism, hit the 3, and play at least average defense on perimter bigs or big SFs.Quote:
Originally Posted by 024
This guy has the tools to make Lebron and Kobe sweat (meaning his athleticism and height), like Marion's former role for the Suns.
It would take a lot of work and make no mistake, though.
ok i only found out about this guy a few mins ago and im already sold. bring his ass over. the spurs just keep getting more athletic by the min.
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ivanfromwestwood
The Spurs average age has dropped from 46 last year to 19 now, and they're not done! (And this guy is 28!)
This shit again? See Scola please. It is much easier to rebound in the NBA than in the Euroleague.Quote:
Originally Posted by 024
Cool. Youth movement in full effect.
Givony at DX knocks his rebounding at one point, but KBP is right here, at least in principle. Rpg numbers are in general lower in Yurp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill_Bill_Pana
why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
Slower pace. Rotations are extended so minutes per game aren't as high.
Well I think Haislip would be a good addition. Especially if they sign him for the minimum or LLE. I liked what I saw from him. Wonder what that means for future trades/signings.
Is this what Pop was REALLY DOING IN EUROPE?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Streakyshooter08
:stirpot:
:hatQuote:
Originally Posted by poeticism707
wow. his stats from his NBA years (79 games) are really awful. 3.6 ppg at 43 % / 1.5 rpg in 10.3 mpg
http://www.nba.com/historical/player...marcus_haislip
way better this last year in Europe, but still not really good in euroligue.
http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp...PlayerID=33243
found this on the net :lol:don't know but would be interesting if someone has seen him play enough to give a legit opinion. being ranked 3rd in overseas FA by draftexpress sounds good though.Quote:
Another interesting fact from the Win Chart: PF Marcus Haislip may have been one of the worst players in NBA history. Indeed, I've done Win Charts for about five complete NBA seasons from five different eras, and Haislip is the first player I've ever calculated with more than 200 minutes of playing time and a Marginal Win Score that was worse than -6.00 (Actually, I can't remember any as bad as -5.00, but I'm not sure). How'd he do it? Basically, by doing nothing well (except he was a bit of a shot blocker). In every important statistical category he was grossly outproduced. He was a terrible scorer, terrible rebounder, terrible passer, and terrible defender. Oh, and he was a foul machine. And he turned the ball over a lot. He was bad to the bone.
you know the local paper is gonna read this thread and report it like they got the inside scoop. it will be in monday paper. bet.
Apparently, he's improved since his time in the NBA, namely his 3 point shooting. If he could just hit 3s at 39% or so, the bigs running out at him would be faked fast, the and-1 dunks in the lane would pile up: he's 6'10 with prime Vince Carter hops.Quote:
Originally Posted by kace
But he'd have to play at least average defense.
Got McDonald?Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanfromwestwood
:lol
Nice to know that all of those "inside sources" were so far off... no Gortat, no Frye, probably not even so much as an appointment with Sheed. Marcus Haislip! Hilarious!
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Tully365
Haislip would be a good signing for the Vet Min, but no way he replaces the the Spurs 17th Annual Sheed Hunt!!!
BYOPF!!!
(Bring Your Own Power Forward/Pitch Fork)
That's alot of young big guys.
Sounds a bit like Tim Thomas
Sounds like Bonner is doomed...
He has a nice jab too!! Now all we need is someone to sign Lennox Lewis and we'll have some use for him!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sX2mpOsqeg
This guy could well end up being the steal of the free agency... damn I'm a fan already... he looks more developed than Gist for sure... unless Bonner is traded the Gist has almost zero chance of sticking around this season... unless he shows his game as a 3 is refined...
Haislip was good in Europe, but this would still be a bit of surprise. LLE i guess is gone now?
He shot right at 40% from 3 being the 1st option on the team. He is bound to get more open looks a la Bonner with the Spurs. I do worry about all the new faces "getting" the defense. The last 25 games of the season should be interesting.
LMAO at the ref gettin twirled aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by Big Empty
Well thats why they start early in training camp :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by buttsR4rebounding
Any chance of Haislip play in the summer league team?
Pretty random. Nice to see the Spurs looking at some different targets. Good for them.
I remember confusing up this guy with Melvin Ely, even though they were not similar players. I think they were drafted right near each other as well.
Where is hype man manu?
Sign a big and this guy and call it an offseason.
On July 8, as mandated by the NBA rules, franchise may make public their first signings. Haislip will be one of them.
:elephant
http://www.elmundodeportivo.es/gen/2...ernativas.html
It's spreading, this link came from HoopsHype
Why are people so thrilled?
I'm assuming the signing of Haislip means the Spurs believe he is more NBA-ready than Gist? If true, I'm sure this will be very disappointing news for Gist, who seemingly was intent on making the roster and contributing to the squad this season.
Signing an NBA washout Euro doesn't mean that Sheed isn't coming. It just means you can sign Euros now, but not NBA FAs, not until Wednesday, anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Haislip would be considered possibly a top 10 PF in Euroleague level. Gist possibly a top 10 PF in Italian League level. There is a HUGE difference there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain
I don't think Haislip signing, if confirmed, has any direct relation to the Sheed hunt.
This thread is another example of the strengh of this board ! The quality of the info provided by some of the posters here is just amazing.
Regarding Haislip, I saw him play once one year ago in Spain and I hope he improved his game a lot. I didn't look specificaly at him but I remember an athletic big with a just decent shooting, a litle bit lazy on Defense, he is not very quick on his feet and had hard time to defend the opposite frontcourt. He has the qualities to be a good rebounder but his lack of effort was obvious during that game. From what I've seen I'd prefer Gist but maybe he was quite bored to play in Europe and he will be motivated by the NBA challenge.
Gist will kick his ass.
Seems like a small money gamble which could pay off handsomely or which might not, but in any event it makes sense in a league in which a player like Gortat gets $32 million guaranteed.
Sounds like a older, somewhat wiser and more polished James White. At 28, he's right on the age bubble if he isn't actually a potential NBA rotation player. Not too many years left for developing potential.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Gotta love the Spurs for keeping up with a myriad of overseas players though. Like God, their eye is on even the sparrow.
The video clips look great. But how does his euro game translate to the NBA? I just wish we knew more about him. Anything anybody can post on him would be greatly appreciated. Sure looks like there is a lot of potential.:downspin:
I saw him play in college. There were times when he looked like a grown man playing against a bunch of boys. It just looked too easy. He went around guys and threw it down almost at will. But there were other nights when he either just didn't have it, or the other team was good enough to frustrate him... whatever. He didn't look like he was having a lot of fun. If the defender cut him off, he didn't know what to do. Sometimes he tried to power through and got whistled. Sometimes he just chunked up hopeless shots. Sometimes he dumped the ball off... to an opposing player.
The big thing was the defensive end. One of the DX articles talks about him "rotating haphazardly". I actually remember saying that he would "rotate randomly" at times. That's what it looked like - like he just moved because he felt like he ought to go somewhere. And I remember thinking, "What the hell was he doing, standing over there?" When the play came to him, he was a respectable defender and shot blocker. And he made some poster-quality weak side blocks, as well. But there were times when he just looked lost on defense.
He definitely should have stayed in college one more year. That being said, it sounds like he has made the most of his European experience, and improved his fundamentals a lot. He wants to come back, and I would expect him to put out the effort. He's going to be leaving a chunk of money on the table to do it, so I expect that they will be giving him a guarantee along the lines of the LLE. Even though he wants to get back to the NBA, I can't imagine that he would leave that much on the table and go for an unguaranteed contract.
At this point, we're so starved for real news (not just speculation) that we'll get excited for anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I live in Knoxville and remember watching Haislip play at one of the few Vols BBall games I attended. Obviously his game has never been perfect, but at least we are getting an athletic big, and I am looking forward to seeing what Pop and co. can do with Marcus. He was definitely an intimidating inside presence at the college level, I was impressed with what I saw. Mainly the shotblocking and dunks was what I recall. I imagine he can protect the rim better than anyone else we have on the roster.
Because they play with 40 lb. rocks instead of basketballs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kill_Bill_Pana
I know absolutely nothing about him...but from looking at his stats and reading he seems like he is more NBA ready than Gist or maybe even Mahimni at this point. As Phila said, we don't have many players at all right now and most of the players we are looking at to fill out the roster are unproven. This guy seems to be a proven player in Europe, so its safe to assume that he is probably closer to being an immediate contributor off the bench than some of our other bench prospects.
Scola averaged more rebounds in slightly fewer minutes his last season in euroleague than Haislip. His last year of ACB play Scola had even better rebound margins. Haislip shot 3s well in ACB, but only shot 25% from 3 in euroleauge.
I'm not real thrilled about Haislip.
I've been saying for a couple of years that Haislip is now a NBA rotational player. Very good in the open-court; a solid face-up 4, who can take slower players off the dribble and pull up jumpers; a bit of a liability in terms of defence and rebounding.
He was awful with the Bucks, but he has developed his game quite a bit, especially his jump-shot. I see Haislip as a much more athletic version of Big Baby Davis; or a poor man's David West.
If he signs for the minimum, he's going to be losing a lot of money; Barcelona is reportedly interested on him to replace Ilyasova/Andersen (their two PFs), who are both joining the NBA next season.
Really liked Haislip back in his Tennessee days, super athletic and instant shot in the arm energy guy. I'm liking the mix of talent. Going to be an interesting summer league/training camp :tu
I'm not thrilled but am interested. Obviously there are some reasons to be skeptical about him making it in the league in his second stint, but it does look like he's used his time in Europe to improve his game. The Spurs are obviously doing what they can to get younger, longer, and more athletic.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920