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For a new guy, I found this site via google and I'm better for it. You guys are on top of shit in here concerning the SPURS. Can't wait for the season to get going again. I like the signing of Haislip seems like a low risk/high reward type signing. Great job by the front office once again.
I don't care as long as we can get Bowen back with at least the vet minimum.
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Another interesting fact from the Win Chart: PF Marcus Haislip may have been one of the worst players in NBA history. Indeed, I've done Win Charts for about five complete NBA seasons from five different eras, and Haislip is the first player I've ever calculated with more than 200 minutes of playing time and a Marginal Win Score that was worse than -6.00 (Actually, I can't remember any as bad as -5.00, but I'm not sure). How'd he do it? Basically, by doing nothing well (except he was a bit of a shot blocker). In every important statistical category he was grossly outproduced. He was a terrible scorer, terrible rebounder, terrible passer, and terrible defender. Oh, and he was a foul machine. And he turned the ball over a lot. He was bad to the bone.
Am I the only one that finds this signing a little strange? Spurs going for a guy who is known for dunking, and not much else? Don't get me wrong, I'd appreciate a little athleticism as much as the next fan, but it just doesn't seem to fit the Spurs mold.
Hopefully the Spurs FO knows something the rest of the world doesn't and this guy has come a long way.
i was just going to post the same thing. This signing really has me scratching my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dex
Worth the risk. Especially since he's taking the minimum. Keep in mind, we still have tradeable pieces if it doesn't work out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dex
Maybe he learned some fundamentals overseas. Like the athleticism (something fickle Spurs fans have been crying for forever).
I hope to God we dont get Big Baby.
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Originally Posted by Avitus1
I fucking hate Big Baby.
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Scouting the NBA Free Agents at the 2008 Copa del Rey
February 20, 2008
Although his team made a quick exit after losing in the first day, the glimpses Marcus Haislip dropped were probably enough to show once again that we’re looking at an NBA player playing in Europe. Freakishly athletic, and getting more versatile offensively by the day, Haislip is incredibly talented, and still seemingly has room to continue to improve over the next few years. He has excellent physical tools—long arms, a nice frame, excellent quickness and amazing leaping ability—combined with a very intriguing package of offensive skills.
Haislip put a great deal of pressure on the defense with his overwhelming quickness in the post, which helps him draw plenty of fouls. He can put the ball on the floor from varying distances, being extremely difficult for power forwards to stay in front of due to his terrific first step. He can also shoot the ball relatively well, either stepping out from behind the arc, or pulling up off the dribble—elevating off the floor like a wing player, which when combined with his extremely high release point, makes him very difficult to contest. He can also get points in transition, cutting off the ball, or by making a simple catch in the post and exploding off the ground from a stand-still position and emphatic jam.
With that said, there is surely a reason why Haislip had to take the route he did-- from being a lottery pick out of college, to a complete bust in the NBA, to playing in Turkey over the past two years, to here. His decision making skills and overall feel for the game still haven’t caught up with his terrific physical tools, even if the gap has clearly narrowed over the past few years. He’s not the most fundamentally sound player in the world (again, often relying excessively on his athleticism)—his back to the basket skills are underdeveloped, his shot-selection is poor (particularly from the perimeter in the form of wild and untimely pull-up jumpers), he’s not much of a passer, and he is prone to mental lapses on the defensive end. He’ll follow up two spectacular plays with a bone-headed one, and obviously needs to play with a great point guard (preferably an up-tempo one) to fully maximize his skill-set.
With that said, there are plenty of players in the NBA who we can say the same exact things about…and most of them aren’t 6-10 and freakishly athletic like he is. Look for some smart team to step up to the plate this summer and offer him a deal starting somewhere around the lower level exception.
Haislip, a freak, a monster dunker has potential to be a poor man's Amare. DOn't know if Spurs really need that. But...
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Originally Posted by ninjaskrzypek
Whats wrong with that. This is a great place to get info.
Not even close to Amare.Quote:
Originally Posted by cheguevara
He shot almost 42% from distance last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dex
if we signed him to LLE i think its a win win for us...add another big who can prob guard those athletic bigs and adds depth and at a low price
I don't see how anyone could complain about this signing. He is signed to a relatively low deal. He has legit size at 6'10. Has athleticism, is a shot-blocker, and apparently has range out to 3.
Sounds great for the money, 6'10 athletic. We need more athletic players.
This is from his first 2 1/2 years in the NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sausage
This is NOW.
European Roundup: Dasic Providing Intrigue
January 17, 2009
While Josh Childress has been the major attraction for scouts evaluating this year’s overseas free agent crop, Marcus Haislip has provided quite a bit of intrigue in his own right. A former lottery pick of the Bucks in 2002, Haislip played only 79 games in his three year NBA career. Discouraged with his lack of development, Milwaukee cut ties with the incredibly raw 6’10 power forward only two seasons into his rookie contract. After spending a season in Indiana as an insurance policy off the bench, he found himself out of the NBA.
Four years later, Haislip has established himself as not only one of Europe’s most exciting players, but his skill set is radically different than it was when he left Indianapolis for Istanbul. While Haislip definitely looks like an NBA player at this point, some of the things that kept him from being successful in the League initially are still present in his game.
With three years of European experience under his belt, Haislip is now is his second year with Spanish powerhouse, and Euroleague Final Four contender, Unicaja Malaga. With former Spanish Olympic Team Head Coach Aito Garcia Reneses at the helm, Haislip has led Unicaja’s to arguably the most impressive start in club history. Despite playing next to a handful of other former NBA players in Boniface N'Dong, Robert Archibald, Jiri Welsch, and Omar Cook (as well as Spanish national team PG Carlos Cabezas), Haislip is unquestionably the team’s top option and most dynamic presence.
Through twenty-five games this season (sixteen in the ACB where Unicaja is 12-4, and nine in the Euroleague where they are 7-2) Haislip has put together some very impressive statistical outings, especially in domestic play where he is averaging 16.1 points per game in only 27 minutes of action per-contest. While the athleticism that made Haislip a lottery pick is responsible for some of his success, it’s the development of his offensive repertoire that earns him mention here.
Coming off of a three year career at Tennessee that was characterized by little except a big junior season littered with highlight reel dunks, Haislip lacked the polish to make an impact offensively on the NBA level. Over the last few years, Haislip has become a much more complete player on the offensive end. He has slowly but surely developed the perimeter shooting stroke, ball-handling ability, and scoring instincts that he desperately needed to make a productive NBA career.
This season has been a mixed bag for Haislip as a shooter. His stroke is significantly sounder than it was during his NBA career –now featuring great lift, good mechanics, and a pretty quick release. He shoots a very respectable percentage from three (40.0% in ACB play but only 28.6% in Euroleague games), and shows some inconsistency from the outside. After starting the season on a tear, he’s cooled off significantly, due in part to a groin injury that has limited him since December. Haislip is the definition of a rhythm shooter –connecting at a great clip when he can step into his shot in transition or in drive and dish situations. However, his mechanics don’t allow much room for error, and Haislip has struggled mightily since hurting his groin, which has limited his ability to elevate like he usually does. After spending the first few months of the season amongst the most efficient three point shooters in the ACB, Haislip has fallen back to earth –missing all eight of his attempts over Unicaja’s last three games. Despite these struggles, Haislip has become a legitimate three point threat, and his current shooting percentage seems to reflect his true shooting ability better than it was early in the year. On the season as a whole, he is shooting 34/91 from beyond the arc, or 37%.
In addition to adding a perimeter shot to his repertoire, Haislip has also become more comfortable attacking the basket when he receives the ball on the outside. He’s not a flashy ball handler, but his explosive first step makes it tough for the majority of power forwards to stay in front of him, which helps him draw plenty of fouls. The improvements in his outside shot force defenders to respect his range, and this allows him to take advantage and attack the rim. Aito Garcia Reneses does a very good job creating space for Haislip to go one-on-one against his defender in his offensive sets. Despite showing solid mechanics on his pull up jumper, Haislip prefers to take the ball to the rim when he puts it on the floor. He’s a fantastic finisher at this level due to his athleticism, and does a nice job taking contact and getting to the line when he can’t blow past the defense and create an easy look. His ability to recognize when he should and shouldn’t drive has helped him significantly, and his perimeter shot selection appears much better for this reason.
While Haislip is significantly more polished in some aspects of the game, he still struggles in others. Despite being taller and vastly more athletic than the players attempting to defend him, Haislip struggles to score on the block. The mechanics on his jumper don’t allow him to make many shots off balance or attempting to maneuver away from defenders. His tendency to force some shots from the post only makes this feature of his shot more apparent. While he’ll knock down a periodic turnaround jumper or short-hook shot, he could stand to develop better shooting touch around the basket, face up more often, and look to pass out of the post more often.
While Haislip still struggles in some areas offensively, his lack of progress in other areas is more troubling. Averaging only 5.2 rebounds in ACB play (4.6 in Euroleague games), it is apparent that the athletically gifted forward isn’t making a concerted effort to make an impact on the glass. Though some of this lack of production can be attributed to the presence of good rebounders such as Boniface N’Dong, Robert Archibald, and Unicaja mainstay Carlos Jimenez, Haislip often doesn’t look to rebound outside of his area. In addition to not showing ideal effort on the glass, Haislip shows even less effort on the defensive end. His 7.8 rebounds per-40 minutes is an extremely poor figure, and is indicative of the type of rebounder he’s been throughout his entire career.
Despite being able to come up with an occasional highlight reel block, Haislip usually looks disinterested on the defensive end. He has the tools to alter some shots each game, but doesn’t show great awareness when defending the weak-side. His lack of bulk will get him into some trouble on the block, but he actually does a nice job going straight up and not fouling –though he doesn’t do a great job keeping up with pump fakes and up-and-under moves.
Even though he isn’t all that engaged on the defensive end, he is more than capable of defending perimeter oriented big men effectively. Given his lateral quickness, wingspan, and leaping ability, Haislip has all the tools to be at the very least a solid defender. However, it seems somewhat unlikely that he will begin to buy into that end of the floor at this point in his career. While this is something that he could definitely stand to work on, Aito has shown that Haislip’s inconsistent defensive intensity isn’t impossible to plan around with the right personnel in place.
Despite still having some nagging weaknesses, there is absolutely no question that Haislip has developed into an NBA player. With that said, he'll likely need to rebound from his shooting slump and carry his team deep into Euroleague play to draw serious enough offers to make the economics of a return trip across the pond worthwhile. If he shows a bit more defensive intensity and continues to produce as such a high rate, he should have no problem finding interest come this summer. Whether or not NBA teams can compete with the multi-million dollar offers that are likely coming his way in Europe remains to be seen, though.
Nice try.. But he improved overseas.
If the spurs signed him for the minimum, then he is well worth the risk.
Try being a little more positive next time.
in the ACB yes, he shot 3s well.Quote:
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In the Euroleague, not so much. 24.5%.
The LLE is bi-annual. If the Spurs can get by without using it this year, it's one more tool they have next year.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Fuego
That being said, I never thought there was any way to sign Haislip without using the LLE. The full LLE is $1.99M this year. That translates to roughly a 700-750K Euro contract, since those deals are net of taxes and agent fees. There are several teams that were (still are?) interested in Haislip, and I think he could have gotten at least twice that much. Unicaja is reportedly paying his replacement 1.1M Eu, and they were willing to pay Haislip more than that. That means that he is going to be leaving at least $1M per season on the table, if he gets the full LLE. That means that he is either convinced that he can come back to the NBA and perform good enough to earn a much bigger contract in a couple of years, or he really hates playing in Europe. Or... something else?
That's why I really don't like the timing of this announcement. I don't see why the Spurs would have leaked the story. And it gives every Euro team an opportunity to make him an offer he can't refuse. I don't think he would make a deal with another NBA team at this point, but you never know until the ink is on the contract. If the Spurs tried to get him for a minimum contract, somebody would have stepped up to pay him more. If his contract is for much less than the full LLE, I'll be surprised.
I still like the signing but hate that the title suggests we signed him because we missed out on Wallace.
Skip Bayless on the Celtics acquiring Wallace:
"Damn I wish my Spurs wouldve gotten him!"
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Did the Spurs really leak the info? I'm under the impression that the Spanish media got the info from spanish league sources, then that got posted here, then McDonald either read it here or someone from here emailed it to him so he did the story. His article didn't have any quotes from the Spurs, either direct or on background.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH