McDyess is much better than Wallace now and he's been money with the mid-range jumpers since he came back from injury.
This is depressing.
07-07-2009
CGD
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Even if the Spurs get McDyess, I still think they need to look for a 7 footer with size. Obviously it will have to be for the minimum, but another big body will defniately help against teams like the Lakers and Cavs.
At the price range you suggest, don't we have that already with Ian?
07-07-2009
picnroll
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Originally Posted by lurker23
Very interesting; that would be a great weapon to add to the Spurs playbook. Correct me if my memory fails me, but the only big men I can recall having that skill recently are Tim Duncan and Robert Horry; Thomas, Oberto, Elson, Mohammed, Nesterovic, and Bonner all seemed to be better when squaring up to the basket.
I don't think Duncan shoots on the move.
07-07-2009
vednam
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Originally Posted by timvp
I've been watching a few Pistons games from last season the last few days and one thing McDyess can do that I didn't know he does so well is shoot on the move. The Pistons ran a lot of down screens for him and a lot of Michael Finley-esque curls to get him open from about 17-to-19 feet. He can catch coming off a curl and drain that jumper. He's not like Kurt Thomas who can only hit that shot if he's wide open and stationary.
Pop will love drawing up plays for McDyess. As a fifth option, he would be deadly in the Spurs offense.
I'm interested in your opinion of McDyess's height.
He's listed at 6'9" (though in some photos he seems like he's as tall as some guys who are listed to be taller--from this my feeling is McDyess has an accurate listing while some other guys have exaggerated listings).
That is good enough to play the 4 with Tim playing the 5. But when the other guys in the front court rotation figure to be Blair and Bonner, that makes for a real lack of length (maybe Mahinimi can surprise and become a solid contributor?).
Even if McDyess signs with the Spurs, I'm afraid Tim will still be left alone in many ways without help against some of the bigger frontlines (like that of the Lakers, for instance).
07-07-2009
angelbelow
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Originally Posted by Brazil
I found this comment on the dallas news blog...
Posted by Getting under their skin @ 4:53 PM Tue, Jul 07, 2009
McDyess? Great. SA is absolutely panicking over Marion coming to us. McDyess is a joke; always has been. What are they thinking. Go Mark. Keep making the Spurs panic.
:lmao:lmao
:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin:rollin
07-07-2009
benefactor
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Originally Posted by vednam
I'm interested on your opinion of McDyess's height.
He's listed at 6'9" (though in some photos he seems like he's as tall as some guys who are listed to be taller--from this my feeling is McDyess has an accurate listing while some other guys have exaggerated listings).
That is good enough to play the 4 with Tim playing the 5. But when the other guys in the front court rotation figure to be Blair and Bonner, that makes for a real lack of length (maybe Mahinimi can surprise and become a solid contributor?).
Even if McDyess signs with the Spurs, I'm afraid Tim will still be left alone in many ways without help against some of the bigger frontlines (like that of the Lakers, for instance).
Huh? Blair has almost 9 feet of standing reach and a 7'2 wingspan. That is as good as most 6'10 guys.
07-07-2009
vednam
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Originally Posted by benefactor
Huh? Blair has almost 9 feet of standing reach and a 7'2 wingspan. That is as good as most 6'10 guys.
Thanks for the clarification. However, it's still not like having a legit 7-footer to help Tim.
07-07-2009
timvp
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Originally Posted by vednam
I'm interested on your opinion of McDyess's height.
He's listed at 6'9" (though in some photos he seems like he's as tall as some guys who are listed to be taller--from this my feeling is McDyess has an accurate listing while some other guys have exaggerated listings).
That is good enough to play the 4 with Tim playing the 5. But when the other guys in the front court rotation figure to be Blair and Bonner, that makes for a real lack of length (maybe Mahinimi can surprise and become a solid contributor?).
Even if McDyess signs with the Spurs, I'm afraid Tim will still be left alone in many ways without help against some of the bigger frontlines (like that of the Lakers, for instance).
I think his height is fine. He's a solid 6-foot-9. In fact, his official draft combine height is only .25 inches shorter than Rasheed Wallace. Dice is probably taller than a lot of players in the league who are listed at 6-foot-10.
And on the low block, Dice puts up a mean fight. He's not a great post defender or a great help defender but his effort is undeniable. He's also pretty light on his fight. Thomas is a better post defender and Bonner is probably a better perimeter defender but the Spurs haven't had a total package like McDyess at a bigman position since ... maybe Horry's first year with the team before he lost a step on the perimeter.
07-07-2009
lurker23
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Originally Posted by picnroll
I don't think Duncan shoots on the move.
He doesn't do it a lot, since his face-up shot is higher percentage, but he's fully capable of doing so.
Just watch the first part, and don't torture yourself with what happens after that shot.
That is McDyess' shooting chart from these playoffs :wow
The nice thing is that Duncan likes to post up on the left side where McDyess has those grey numbers. Let McDyess stay on the other side and he'll be right in his sweet spot.
07-07-2009
FromWayDowntown
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Originally Posted by timvp
I've been watching a few Pistons games from last season the last few days and one thing McDyess can do that I didn't know he does so well is shoot on the move. The Pistons ran a lot of down screens for him and a lot of Michael Finley-esque curls to get him open from about 17-to-19 feet. He can catch coming off a curl and drain that jumper. He's not like Kurt Thomas who can only hit that shot if he's wide open and stationary.
Pop will love drawing up plays for McDyess. As a fifth option, he would be deadly in the Spurs offense.
I honestly didn't watch much of the Pistons last year, but one great strength of McDyess's game for years had been his ability to score in pick and rolls. It was a while back, but in the 05 Finals, McDyess was scarily effective in side pick and rolls. His ability to shoot out of pick and rolls is eerily reminiscent (to me, at least) of David Robinson's pet jumper from the elbow in 2 man games late in his career.
I just don't see downside here. If this works out, the Spurs have managed to get younger at the wing, have found an effective and relatively-athletic rebounding big to pair with Tim, and have found 2 younger bigs (reminiscent of pairs like Landry and Hayes or Davis and Powe) to bolster the front line depth. Here's hoping McDyess is on his way and that the Spurs continue to be ruthlessly effective this offseason.
07-07-2009
picnroll
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Originally Posted by lurker23
He doesn't do it a lot, since his face-up shot is higher percentage, but he's fully capable of doing so.
Just watch the first part, and don't torture yourself with what happens after that shot.
Down sceeens? Curls? No way.
07-07-2009
benefactor
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Originally Posted by vednam
Thanks for the clarification. However, it's still not like having a legit 7-footer to help Tim.
There is just not any of those out there. Having a guy in McDyess that can score and rebound make just as much difference. Even if he can't defend some of the biggest front line players, he will help us win the battle on the boards...which is one that championship teams win.
07-07-2009
Buddy Holly
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Why are people who wanted Wallace questioning Dice?
Dude put up 10 and 10 last season and Wallace put up 12 and 7 playing more minutes.
In the playoffs, Wallace put up a pathetic 7 and 6 while Dice put up 13 and 9.
07-07-2009
coyotes_geek
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Originally Posted by timvp
And on the low block, Dice puts up a mean fight. He's not a great post defender or a great help defender but his effort is undeniable. He's also pretty light on his fight. Thomas is a better post defender and Bonner is probably a better perimeter defender but the Spurs haven't had a total package like McDyess at a bigman position since ... maybe Horry's first year with the team before he lost a step on the perimeter.
That's the key right there. God it was painful this year having to watch Pop choose between guys who couldn't score and ones who couldn't defend. Dyess, assuming we get him, and Jefferson are going to add so much versatility to this team.
07-07-2009
lurker23
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Originally Posted by picnroll
Down sceeens? Curls? No way.
Well, I understand where you're coming from; the fact that we're talking about it being "added to the playbook" indicates that it never really happens at the moment. I was just going over the list of players in my head who were CAPABLE of hitting those type of shots, not necessarily who make it their forte or shot of choice. If this type of shot is in McDyess's comfort range, it'll be nice to see it added to the repertoire, should Pop so choose.
That is McDyess' shooting chart from these playoffs :wow
The nice thing is that Duncan likes to post up on the left side where McDyess has those grey numbers. Let McDyess stay on the other side and he'll be right in his sweet spot.
He was only 20-31 on dunks and layups? Man, that sucks...
07-07-2009
Marcus Bryant
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
How many were contested? Who was superior in the playoffs from that range?
07-07-2009
coyotes_geek
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Originally Posted by JGrice02
He was only 20-31 on dunks and layups? Man, that sucks...
Tip in attempts too. We've all seen bigs get caught in the scrum under the rim where a guy will get 3 or 4 attempts to tip in a shot but he can't because he's surrounded. Maybe that happened to Dyess once or twice.
07-07-2009
ohmwrecker
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Originally Posted by JGrice02
He was only 20-31 on dunks and layups? Man, that sucks...
Let Tim have the layups and dunks. Put McDyess on the high post, right side. If Tim gets doubled, McDyess gets an open jumper.
07-07-2009
Spursfan092120
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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He was only 20-31 on dunks and layups? Man, that sucks...
Deal Finley, Bonner, Williams, and perhaps the 2010 1st rounder to Sacto for Nocioni. Re-sign Bowen. The bigman rotation would be a bit young outside of the starters, so perhaps you deal for Foster from Indiana instead. The Haislip signing is curious unless the Spurs intend to do something with Mahinmi, they feel that confident in the young triumvariate....or they will start our Haislip in Austin, but the latter doesn't really make any sense. I think for certain we will see a trade and the writing is on the wall for Finley and Bonner being moved.
07-07-2009
Behrooz24
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Originally Posted by JGrice02
He was only 20-31 on dunks and layups? Man, that sucks...
Actually, they run that play a fair amount for Duncan. He gets a pin down screen and curls to the free throw line for the short jumper. Duncan even shoots it in rhythm off the screen. I know I've seen that play very regularly the last few years.
07-07-2009
Ariel
Re: Spurs leading race to sign McDyess...
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Spurs out in front for McDyess
By Jeff McDonald on Jul 7, 09 05:14 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) Save & Share Yahoo! BuzzYahoo! Newsvine del.icio.us Facebook Google Reddit Fark
The Spurs have emerged as the frontrunner in the chase to land free-agent forward Antonio McDyess.
According to a league executive with knowledge of the negotiations, the Spurs have offered McDyess a three-year deal starting at the full mid-level exception, with the third year partially guaranteed.
It has been widely speculated that McDyess, 34, will play only two more years. If the Spurs' rumored bid is true, the Spurs have essentially sweetened their best offer by guaranteeing McDyess a bit of money for retirement in 2011-12.
The 6-foot-9 McDyess emerged as the Spurs' top target after Rasheed Wallace -- McDyess' former teammate in Detroit -- agreed to terms with Boston earlier this week. He is also being pursued by Cleveland and Orlando.