What's missing

Whats missing? A good big next to Duncan.
Championships in 99 03 DRob, 05 Man from Nazr. 07 we got by with Fabs and the opponent being coached by Mike Brown.

Will Jefferson be the missing athletic 3 we've wanted and needed since SJax? We shall see.....

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Originally Posted by scottspurs

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors

I don't know who originally started the rumor that the spurs are involved in a Sign and trade, and this is basically me trying to connect the dots, but Mark Stein is reporting that there is a mystery 4th team involved in the Marion to Mavericks deal. Could it be the Spurs picking up someone like Anthony Parker. This could be just a bunch of crap, but we did pick up Ron Mercer years ago for nothing. Below is what Stein is saying:

TRADES: Four teams now in Marion deal?

Shawn Marion | Raptors

ESPN.com's Marc Stein reported late Wednesday afternoon that the Dallas Mavericks and Toronto Raptors had successfully enlisted the Memphis Grizzlies to help facilitate a trade of F Shawn Marion from Toronto to Dallas, but Stein later tweeted that a fourth mystery team could become involved before all was said and done.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

The 4th team is Orlando. Looks like they're s/t Hedo to Toronto while getting back a tade exception. Stack to Memphis, Wright/George to Toronto, and Humpries to Dallas.

ETA: Ric Bucher has the same deal reported but adds that Greg Buckner will also be going to Dallas.

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Originally Posted by poeticism707

Agreed. Get Camby!:toast

Which, ironically, is what Spurs fans have been clamoring for two years, no matter who we've gotten or not gotten (ie Blair, Dice, etc).

Again, get Camby!!!:king

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How is Camby fitting in amongst TD/Dice/Blair/Mahinmi/Haislip? No to Camby, and there's no reason the Clips would send him here now given that they unloaded Randolph. I liked Camby as a last ditch trade possibility if we got nothing with the MLE, but he's irrelevent now.

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Originally Posted by Parker2112

We actually need these guys out of the picture so new talent can find the court. Pop is notorious for leaning on guys who "know the system"

We need to play the youngsters consistently and see what sticks. Bonner and Finley on the squad ='s two promising guys on the IR.

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Decent point and yeah, that worries me a little. However, I'm hoping Pop learns the lesson of last year and plays his youngsters.

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Originally Posted by teeclark

I have been thinking about this one for awhile; here goes:
Trade Bonner,Williams,and Finly's contract(they all are expiring) to portland for Pryzbilla and Fernandez. The deal is actualy good for both teams due to it allowing for us to fortify our 2 spot for the future and adding another big to the frey! Portland benefits this year during free agency and next year when they have to resign their stars roy/alldridge! They would be able to cut finly and williams for 2million worth of savings this year while bonner would fall off the books next year...just in time for them! What do you guys think?:lobt2:

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I think you stole exstatic's idea - he posted the same thing yesterday. I also think it's highly unlikely as there's not enough in it for Portland. Why would they give Fernandez away? Guy is going to be a great player. And we don't really need Joel now that we have Dice.

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

This is actually not out of the question. battier is in his 30s and has 2 years left on his contract. With the Rockets possibly losing yao forever they will likely want to get a 2010 free agent and need to create that space. So I am thinking battier or Scola or both will be in trade talks for this up coming season. I just hope the Rockets will help us out.

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Battier would be an awesome fit here, and the trade works for Bonner and Finley. Throw in a pick and get it done!

(Unlikely though since Houston have never done a thing to help us out - they owe us a favour for Scola though... :lol )

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Originally Posted by MI21

Can't believe there is talk of Buckets. I'm the biggest Jackson fan I know, and I don't want him on this team. No room at all.

With McDyess jumping aboard, Bonner goes from liability to asset just like that.

He is now a big guy who can come off the bench, knows the system, stretches the floor and plays passable defense against mobile, perimeter type big men. For 10-15MPG off of the bench, particularly on a team with an older frontcourt you would like to keep fresh, Bonner is a valuable piece, particularly in the regular season, and with rotations shortening for the playoffs, you don't have to worry about him disappearing. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I would like the Spurs to keep him.

Finley, meh. Get rid of him if you can, bring Bowen back. At worst, Pop can not play Finley over Jefferson and with Manu and Mason at the 2, there isn't many minutes there. I think he is alright as end of bench insurance and as a shooter in situational moments.

The additions of Jefferson and McDyess really give this team ridiculous depth. The only thing I see the team needing is a veteran PG that can get the ball up the court, and be decent defensively.

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Great post.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

Um, Bonner and Fin proved they didn't have it this year in the playoffs. Hell, Bonner spent half the time in the fetal position...

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See emboldened bit of MI21's post. I don't envision them playing a role in the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by ernest787

I don't understand why people think the Spurs need another Star caliber player

I really like what the FO has given us this year. We aren't playing a video game where you can grab 8 players rated really well and be guaranteed victories.

You have to take into consideration chemistry, player roles, minutes, match ups, etc. I think with what we have right now, we have already put ourselves in a place to contend this year. Like ANY NBA season a lot of it is going to rely on Pops coaching, some good luck, and hoping that we made the right moves and these guys catch on fast

super stoked on this season

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This guy for FTW. Spot on. :toast


Hell, I thought the offseason was over but PhilaChamberlain has me lusting for Battier now... :bang :lol

Battier is the perimeter defender we're lacking. Imagine that swing rotation - Mason, Manu, RJ, Battier. They would chainsaw through starting and second units.

Why would Houston give away Battier? He's the ultimate glue guy and their team is far too talented to look to rebuild.

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

How is Camby fitting in amongst TD/Dice/Blair/Mahinmi/Haislip? No to Camby, and there's no reason the Clips would send him here now given that they unloaded Randolph. I liked Camby as a last ditch trade possibility if we got nothing with the MLE, but he's irrelevent now.

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3 out of the 5 players you mentioned are unproven in the NBA. That's how Camby fits.

If everything goes according to the "Spurstalk Plan" and Mahinmi is actually a French basketball god, Blair is the steal of the draft, and Haislip is something more than a former NBA washout, then the Spurs have the problem of too many talented big men. If, however, one or two of those young, unproven players demonstrate that they aren't ready....then the Spurs have Camby.

I think right now we need a backup SF mostly

I think we are fine... If there is any trade i'm only willing to part with Bonner and Finley. I'd rather not give up Hill or Mason. Maybe Mason if it is definitely for a better piece to add to our roster.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Get Bowen back.

Anything and everything else would be gravy at this point.

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Bowen plus another cheap big.

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Originally Posted by __JaG__

3 out of the 5 players you mentioned are unproven in the NBA. That's how Camby fits.

If everything goes according to the "Spurstalk Plan" and Mahinmi is actually a French basketball god, Blair is the steal of the draft, and Haislip is something more than a former NBA washout, then the Spurs the problem of too many talented big men. If, however, one or two of those young, unproven players demonstrate that they aren't ready....then the Spurs have Camby.

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Great post. :toast

I was going to explain that as well. But you did it better than I would have.

Come close to the trading deadline if our young big men don't live up to the bill, Camby would make a lot of sense.

If your young bigs do live up to the bill, then we could turn our attention towards a wing like Raja Bell, Shane Battier.

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Originally Posted by __JaG__

3 out of the 5 players you mentioned are unproven in the NBA. That's how Camby fits.

If everything goes according to the "Spurstalk Plan" and Mahinmi is actually a French basketball god, Blair is the steal of the draft, and Haislip is something more than a former NBA washout, then the Spurs have the problem of too many talented big men. If, however, one or two of those young, unproven players demonstrate that they aren't ready....then the Spurs have Camby.

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Or, the Spurs hang on to their trade bait (Bonner and Finley) while they trial their young bigs through the first 3 months of the season, and if things aren't working they trade for Camby in January, as Manu4Tres suggests. Sounds like a better idea to me.

Really, what is the point of bringing in all this youth and then signing so many vets that none of them ever get to play?

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

Or, the Spurs hang on to their trade bait (Bonner and Finley) while they trial their young bigs through the first 3 months of the season, and if things aren't working they trade for Camby in January, as Manu4Tres suggests. Sounds like a better idea to me.

Really, what is the point of bringing in all this youth and then signing so many vets that none of them ever get to play?

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I hope Pop really lets the young pups loose and see's who sinks or swims the first 3 months of the year. ( On Bonner's watch as well)

Kind of like how Doc Rivers did with Perkins/ Powe/ Davis back in 2007/2008.

I think the best option is to hold on to trade fodder right now and see how that scenario plays out.

As for PGs, is Shaun Livingston currently under contract?

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Originally Posted by __JaG__

3 out of the 5 players you mentioned are unproven in the NBA. That's how Camby fits.

If everything goes according to the "Spurstalk Plan" and Mahinmi is actually a French basketball god, Blair is the steal of the draft, and Haislip is something more than a former NBA washout, then the Spurs have the problem of too many talented big men. If, however, one or two of those young, unproven players demonstrate that they aren't ready....then the Spurs have Camby.

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The issue with this idea is that youre essentially going to stifle the development of all those younger players. Camby is going to demand minutes as well he should. Unfortunately, every minute that we give Camby is a minute taken away from a young player to help him learn the NBA game.

At some point you have to trust your internal talent evaluation and give the young players the time that they need to develop. Even with McDyess on board, he and Duncan are going to have heavily regulated minutes from Pop which will give plenty of time for the young guys. Add Camby and there is no real time left over.

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Originally Posted by __JaG__

3 out of the 5 players you mentioned are unproven in the NBA. That's how Camby fits.

If everything goes according to the "Spurstalk Plan" and Mahinmi is actually a French basketball god, Blair is the steal of the draft, and Haislip is something more than a former NBA washout, then the Spurs have the problem of too many talented big men. If, however, one or two of those young, unproven players demonstrate that they aren't ready....then the Spurs have Camby.

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Agreed. There is NO SUCH THING as having too many bigs! Some will work out, others won't. This isn't a knock on Blair and Co., but if for some reason they weren't as NBA ready as everyone thinks (or due to injury), with Duncan, Dice, and Camby, you can still win a title without them. Duncan may very well only have 2-3 years left, and you can't play roulette with bigs, epecially if you have an opportunity to add Camby for for a few roleplayers.

Of course, maybe ALL OF THOSE YOUNG PLAYERS WORK OUT, you get Camby, and win the title, but it's overkill.

Well, overkill is FAR BETTER THAN underkill.

Most unfortunately, the Spurs know what that feels like the past two seasons.

To summarize: if you can get Camby for 2 or 3 roleplayers because the Clips want cap space, YOU DO IT.

YOU DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

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Originally Posted by poeticism707

Agreed. There is NO SUCH THING as having too many bigs! Some will work out, others won't. This isn't a knock on Blair and Co., but if for some reason they weren't as NBA ready as everyone thinks (or due to injury), with Duncan, Dice, and Camby, you can still win a title without them. Duncan may very well only have 2-3 years left, and you can't play roulette with bigs, epecially if you have an opportunity to add Camby for for a few roleplayers.

Of course, maybe ALL OF THOSE YOUNG PLAYERS WORK OUT, you get Camby, and win the title, but it's overkill.

Well, overkill is FAR BETTER THAN underkill.

Most unfortunately, the Spurs know what that feels like the past two seasons.

To summarize: if you can get Camby for 2 or 3 roleplayers because the Clips want cap space, YOU DO IT. (1)

YOU DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.(2)

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(1) At this point in the season, unlikely. Closer to the deadline, more likely.

(2) You're all about the "don't even think about it", eh? (even though you obviously thought about it!) :lol

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

(1) At this point in the season, unlikely. Closer to the deadline, more likely.

(2) You're all about the "don't even think about it", eh? (even though you obviously thought about it!) :lol

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:lol

Some deals require so little thought you have to round to "no thinking at all" in order to categorize them.

Someone might as well asked if I'd give up Bonner and Finley for 2004 Ben Wallace.

Are you crazy? Have you seen how he plays the game?

Sign him already, and let's have no more talk about it, lol.

If I were to make one move it would probably be to scoop up Nocioni (Finley+Bonner+Williams works).

Nocioni is that crucial combo forward we've been missing for a while. He can provide minutes at the 3 or 4 and plays tough defense and can hit the long ball. The young frontcourt will be strengthened by his play considerably and he can go where hes needed (3 or 4).

Then you sign Gist and McClinton and a veteran PG for the minimum to fill out the roster.

Points
Parker
Hill
Veteran

Wings
Ginobili
Jefferson
Mason
Nocioni
Hairston
McClinton

Posts
Duncan
McDyess
Blair
Haislip
Mahinmi
Gist

You can stick any combination of Gist/McClinton/Hairston and the Vet PG on the IR (and two of the former 3 can play in Austin.

Does the signing of Marion by the Mavs provide more motivation to bring back Bowen?

http://www.morningjournal.com/articl.../mj1308110.txt

"One rumor floating around had the Cavs sending guard/forward Wally Szczerbiak and forward/center J.J. Hickson to Charlotte for forward Gerald Wallace in a sign-and-trade."

If the Hornets want to salary dump Gerald Wallace, Pop should call up Larry Brown ASAP.

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Originally Posted by Ice009

http://www.morningjournal.com/articl.../mj1308110.txt

"One rumor floating around had the Cavs sending guard/forward Wally Szczerbiak and forward/center J.J. Hickson to Charlotte for forward Gerald Wallace in a sign-and-trade."

If the Hornets want to salary dump Gerald Wallace, Pop should call up Larry Brown ASAP.

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Gerald Wallace's contract is terrible. Plus, it goes through 2012/13 with the last year as a player option worth over $11M. yuck!

I follow the Kings and don't believe Nocioni is available. The Kings love him and he became an instant crowd favorite once he arrived.

Bring back #12 and go get #5

not even a game played and I miss Bowen so much...it would be freakish to not have him on the team...furthermore I think, he fits what we need pretty good...

having a dependable defender agasint SG's, SF's and even some PF's would be nice to have...I'm all for giving our young players some time to show what they can do, but Bruce for a few bucks would be better than any other option I can think of...especially come playoff time (always nice to bring in Bruce against Kobe...and if its only for 6 minutes I'm fine with it too)

With Dice signed, maybe Haislip is now expendable. He might have been signed as an insurance policy in case we didn't get a good big and with the lux tax, His salary costs the Spurs 4 million. He might be the sign and trade guy for a cheap backup point guard and a 2nd round pick.

I expect the rumored trade is a minor deal, not a big roster changer. I also don't expect there is much of a market for Bonner. Finley is still useful as a relief shooter for small minutes. He has hit some clutch shots for the Spurs even in the last two years.

Any trade will likely be a minor tweek and to relieve some pain from Holt's wallet, I expect.

The Spurs offseason moves are pretty much done. Bonner might be moved during the season towards the trade deadline, when his expiring contract would be less costly to a suitor.
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The Spurs can't trade Haislip until December 15th.