Loyalty

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Originally Posted by Rogue

Bowen was traded as part of a package in a deal, from which the Spurs got a big upgrade at the SF position. I think it's just like Bowen dedicated his sweet life in San Antonio for the improvement of his team, no other action can give a better description to loyalty.

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Wow, that would be some serious unselfishness and loyalty by Bruce if that is indeed what he did. Correct you are Rogue, that would be the best def of loyalty. What a contrast to Finley-Pop and their Sniffers Club headed by Eric Park-Humpy. But maybe Popped and Finley are in on this prearranged, Finley willing to be moved and this is all according to plan. Would be a refreshing turnaround to the faux *CIA* Pooped moves of the past 4 years.

SA210, itzsoweezee, lotr1trekkie, Rogue, all other thread contributors, we'll get to find out shortly if as expected, Bruce clears waivers.

Bring Bruce back, period.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

All knowledgeable Spurs fans are the ones that agree with me. Loyal ones. :toast

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http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133385
Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili all were big players in the last three San Antonio championships (2003, 2005, 2007). Another was 38-year-old Bruce Bowen, who went to Milwaukee in the Jefferson trade. The Bucks waived him at the end of July and he is a free agent. Might he be part of another Spurs run, albeit in a subordinate role?

“I’ve given him no such indication,’’ Popovich said. “He might come back with the right team in the right situation, but it’s probably not going to be San Antonio.’’
So there you have it. Barring some huge surprise and this being a *CIA Poop* maneuver, Pops giving us Finley in favor of Bruce. Again.

Loyalty.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Bruce was essentially rescued from obscurity...

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I would not call a second team all-NBA defender someone in obscurity. The team that "rescued" Bowen was Miami not SA.

we will not regret getting rid of Bowen.

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Originally Posted by ploto

I would not call a second team all-NBA defender someone in obscurity. The team that "rescued" Bowen was Miami not SA.

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Then Boston gave him a lot of playing time as well.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

Loyalty.

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Spurs are no more (or less) loyal to the players than any other NBA team. I think some fans have put the Spurs on some sort of righteousness pedestal that is not realistic, and they are therefore disappointed when they realize they are like any other NBA team making personnel decisions based upon what they think is best for the organization.

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Originally Posted by bishopospurs

Then Boston gave him a lot of playing time as well.

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He had a good first year there, but not much of a second year. Miami is the team that played Bowen all 82 games and over 30 MPG, and Pat Riley was an important part of his development as a defensive player.

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Originally Posted by anakha

Shh, don't confuse him with the facts.

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Your condescending attitude towards fellow Spurs fans (along with others on this board) is the biggest knock on the community.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133385
Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili all were big players in the last three San Antonio championships (2003, 2005, 2007). Another was 38-year-old Bruce Bowen, who went to Milwaukee in the Jefferson trade. The Bucks waived him at the end of July and he is a free agent. Might he be part of another Spurs run, albeit in a subordinate role?

“I’ve given him no such indication,’’ Popovich said. “He might come back with the right team in the right situation, but it’s probably not going to be San Antonio.’’
So there you have it. Barring some huge surprise and this being a *CIA Poop* maneuver, Pops giving us Finley in favor of Bruce. Again.

Loyalty.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133385
Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili all were big players in the last three San Antonio championships (2003, 2005, 2007). Another was 38-year-old Bruce Bowen, who went to Milwaukee in the Jefferson trade. The Bucks waived him at the end of July and he is a free agent. Might he be part of another Spurs run, albeit in a subordinate role?

“I’ve given him no such indication,’’ Popovich said. “He might come back with the right team in the right situation, but it’s probably not going to be San Antonio.’’
So there you have it. Barring some huge surprise and this being a *CIA Poop* maneuver, Pops giving us Finley in favor of Bruce. Again.

Loyalty.

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what the fuck are you talking about Finley didn't even exercise his player option when the trade was made

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

“I’ve given him no such indication,’’ Popovich said. “He might come back with the right team in the right situation, but it’s probably not going to be San Antonio.’’
So there you have it. Barring some huge surprise and this being a *CIA Poop* maneuver, Pops giving us Finley in favor of Bruce. Again.

Loyalty.

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There is a reason Bruce did not play last year, fellas...and it does not have to do with Finley love.

We needed more firepower.

With RJ, we have that at the 3. I doubt we see finley play more than spot backup minutes (finally).

Our starting rotation got much younger when both finley and bowen dropped out of it.

and, for the bowen homers....name 1 perimeter player that was even good at 37.

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Originally Posted by Parker2112

Your condescending attitude towards fellow Spurs fans (along with others on this board) is the biggest knock on the community.

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Condescension in the defense of realism is no vice.

Loyalty for the Spurs organization is a multi-pronged term. Loyalty to the players, the franchise, and the fans.

You can easily make the case that letting Bowen, Kurt, and Fabs go, the organization was being very loyal...maybe not to those guys, but to the core of TD, TP, and Manu. At the very least, they were trying to be loyal to the fans by doing what they thought was needed to bring another championship to the city.

Yeah, losing players like Bruce sucks, because he has been an instrumental part of three championships. Remember, it is a business, so the only thing to do is look forward.

I could never be a GM in the NBA due to my attachment to the person in which the player resides...I just couldn't do it.

At some point, if you don't try to upgrade the team around Timmy, then that is disloyal to Tim, Tony, and Manu.

Right or wrong (only time will tell if the plan works out), I am very happy that the ownership group put the money on the table to try and get another ring for San Antonio.

I remember the day that the ownership would simply put mediocre talent around Dave and not aspire for a ring, but simply to fill the stands and make a buck...the same way the Detroit Lions did with Barry Sanders.

* I would say that the Spurs organization has been very loyal in the past. Remember the money Avery got in his last year as a Spur? Nice parting gift there...way more than Avery's talents deserved.

^^^ But if we end up losing to the Lakers or another team because we had noone that could gaurd Kobe or another scorer, did we make the right move afterall?

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Originally Posted by SA210

^^^ But if we end up losing to the Lakers or another team because we had noone that could gaurd Kobe or another scorer, did we make the right move afterall?

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So do you want the Spurs to go small late in games against LA and get raped on the boards or do you think the Spurs should sit Jefferson in those portions of games and just try to survive their notorious scoring droughts?

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133385
Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili all were big players in the last three San Antonio championships (2003, 2005, 2007). Another was 38-year-old Bruce Bowen, who went to Milwaukee in the Jefferson trade. The Bucks waived him at the end of July and he is a free agent. Might he be part of another Spurs run, albeit in a subordinate role?

“I’ve given him no such indication,’’ Popovich said. “He might come back with the right team in the right situation, but it’s probably not going to be San Antonio.’’
So there you have it. Barring some huge surprise and this being a *CIA Poop* maneuver, Pops giving us Finley in favor of Bruce. Again.

Loyalty.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133385
Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili all were big players in the last three San Antonio championships (2003, 2005, 2007). Another was 38-year-old Bruce Bowen, who went to Milwaukee in the Jefferson trade. The Bucks waived him at the end of July and he is a free agent. Might he be part of another Spurs run, albeit in a subordinate role?

“I’ve given him no such indication,’’ Popovich said. “He might come back with the right team in the right situation, but it’s probably not going to be San Antonio.’’
So there you have it. Barring some huge surprise and this being a *CIA Poop* maneuver, Pops giving us Finley in favor of Bruce. Again.

Loyalty.

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Given the choice, the Spurs would have jettisoned BOTH of them. They didn't have that choice. Finley did. He opted in. I wouldn't get terribly comfortable if I were Fin. My thought is that sometime between this second and the February trade deadline, he's gonzo.

hopefully he'll sign on with a contender and have a solid shot at another ring...

if Pop wasn't going to play him anyway, there was no point in keeping him around.

Godbless you Bruuuuuce!


but don't you go kicking manu in the face or anything...:flag:

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Given the choice, the Spurs would have jettisoned BOTH of them. They didn't have that choice. Finley did. He opted in. I wouldn't get terribly comfortable if I were Fin. My thought is that sometime between this second and the February trade deadline, he's gonzo.

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Originally Posted by ploto

I would not call a second team all-NBA defender someone in obscurity. The team that "rescued" Bowen was Miami not SA.

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It is if you're 30, bounced all over Europe, with a few NBA stops, and that one honor is your sole claim of fame.

Bruce Bowen was unknown by 95% of NBA fans in the summer of 2001. That's obscurity.

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Originally Posted by ploto

Spurs are no more (or less) loyal to the players than any other NBA team. I think some fans have put the Spurs on some sort of righteousness pedestal that is not realistic, and they are therefore disappointed when they realize they are like any other NBA team making personnel decisions based upon what they think is best for the organization.

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You mean they weren't. And that is a lot of what drew myself (2001-2 altho i always liked Dunkar) and a lot of others to the Spurs. The no superstar attitude, Timmy Dunks especially, Pop being a seeming non ego tripper.

But ploto you are oh so wrong about the PoppySpurs and loyalty. His and their overblown loyalty to Finley has been and is gagging and has brought down the Spurs we came to know and love. It can't be spun any other way.

Bruce is not the key to this season. Pops marriage to Finley was a key to the 2006, and certainly 2008 and 09 downfall tho.

Loyalty has to sides to it; Spurs from thier stand point is to show the city Of San Antonio that they will conitue to put a championship contending team every yr on the court to compete.
San Antonio Fans loyalty is to support and show up when called on. back your team up....... So far i would say both sides are doing what needs to be done.

Bowen while his stay here in SA was quiet pleasant its a business and SPURS FO did what needed to be done to help us Win.