Next Moves

The Spurs have made some major moves towards reloading their team for serious championship runs in what are expected to be the last three seasons of Tim Duncan's NBA career, with the acquisitions of Richard Jefferson and Antonio McDyess, as well as the recent drafting of All-American DeJuan Blair and Jack McClinton. The Spurs have also signed Marcus Haislip, a former NBA lottery pick in 2002 who has significantly refined his game in the Turkish Basketball League and the Spanish ACB league over the last four years.

I think it's obvious that a trade will be forthcoming. The Spurs have all but guaranteed that Blair and McClinton will be on the opening day roster. 2008 draft pick James Gist has been quoted as saying that he will be playing in SA next year after his successful Serie A season in Italy.

Here's a look at the Spurs as they stand today.

Current Team Under Contract

Points
1 Parker
1/2 Hill

Swingmen
2 Ginobili
3 Jefferson
2 Mason
2/3 Finley
2/3 Williams
2/3 Hairston

Bigmen
4 Haislip
4 Bonner
4/5 Duncan
4/5 McDyess (verbal commitment)
5 Mahinmi

2009 Draft Picks
2 McClinton
2 De Colo
4 Blair

Draft Rights Held
3 Sanikidze
4 Gist
4/5 Javtokas
5 Splitter
5 Karaulov

Once McDyess officially signs, the Spurs will have thirteen players under contract. As mentioned above, Blair, McClinton, and Gist will likely sign with the Spurs as well. That will give the Spurs sixteen players under contract. It seems likely that they will make at least one more trade this offseason. Of note is that the Spurs currently have seven players whose contracts expire after the 2009-10 season: Ginobili, Finley, Mason, Bonner, Williams, Hairston, and Haislip. Expiring contracts are a valuable commodity in today's NBA as they allow teams to shed longer term financial commitments. The three most likely Spurs from that group to be traded are Finley, Bonner, and Williams.

Looking at the roster as it stands today, I think the most obvious needs are perhaps a veteran center for the bench and a defensive minded swingman who can shoot the 3. That said, it certainly wouldn't hurt the Spurs if they were able to find a combo forward who could defend both forward positions.

There have been rumors that Bruce Bowen, part of the trade which landed Jefferson, may be returning to San Antonio. He would be fine as a backup small forward and could likely be signed for the veteran's minimum.

Looking around the league at potential defensive oriented swingmen who could be acquired by trade, we have:

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Raja Bell

Bell is 32 years old and has one year left on his contract at $5.25 million. He has proven to be one of the better perimeter defenders in the NBA and a solid outside shooter.


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Thabo Sefolosha

Sefolosha is a 25 year old swingman with decent defensive acumen and an expriring contract of his own.


On the bigman front, there are a few interesting candidates.

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Jeff Foster

Foster, a San Antonio native, is a 32 year old, 10 year NBA veteran. An excellent rebounding bigman, he has spent his entire NBA career with the Indiana Pacers. He has two years and $12.7 million remaining on his contract.


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Marcus Camby

Camby, a first round pick of the Raptors in 1996, has also played for the Knicks and Nuggets, and is currently with the Clippers. Camby scored 10.1 points, brought down 11.1 rebounds, and blocked 2.1 shots a game with the Clippers last season. The Spurs attempted to trade for the 35 year old center prior to last February's trade deadline. His contract expires after the end of the 2009-10 season.


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Troy Murphy

Murphy, 29, is an 8 year NBA veteran who played with the Warriors before he was traded to the Pacers in the 2006-07 season. Last season he averaged 14.3 points and 11.8 rebounds in 34 minutes a contest. He also shot 45% on 358 3-point attempts. Think of him as Bonner with a pair of testicles. His contract has two years and roughly $23 million left on it.


On the combo forward front, there are two interesting candidates.

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Andres Nocioni

Ginobili's Argentinian national teammate is 29 years old and freshly deposited in Sacramento as part of the trade which eventually led the Spurs to acquire former Spur Drew Gooden. The Spurs have been interested in him for some time and missed out on drafting him when Sam forgot his age. He has proven to be a decent scorer, excellent outside shooter, and solid rebounder who brings tremendous hustle to the game during his NBA career. He has three years and $21 million remaining on his contract which ends after the 2011-12 NBA season.


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Boris Diaw

Diaw, 27, was Tony Parker's best man when he married Gabby. He is a 6 year NBA veteran who has played for the Hawks, Suns, and now Bobcats. Last season he averaged 15.1 points and 5.9 boards in 37.1 minutes a night in 59 games with the Bobcats after being traded by the Suns. He also shot 41.9% on 167 3-point FG attempts. He has two years and $18 million left on his current contract.


The Spurs have truly surprised us all this offseason with their aggressive activity and were quite fortunate in the recent concluded draft, landing easily one of the top prospects in the entire draft with selection #37. At this point, I'd say there's no reason to believe that they are finished. Given the shape of the current roster, it looks like more moves will be made as the major part of free agency wraps up and other teams begin to sort out their own rosters. The potential trade targets I have mentioned above may be players of interest to the Spurs. I think the most likely trade will be for a bigman, or perhaps for a combo forward. This is a very interesting time to be a Spurs fan. So kick back, enjoy a sip of Patrón as I am doing, and savor it.

-MB

Dorell Wright?

Boris Diaw in a Spurs uniform has always been a dream of mine, I always thought he would be perfect on our team. The only problem was his contract was always so long and expensive I never truly wanted him. Now, with McDyess, I think someone like Marcus Camby would be a lot better suited.

williams under contract?? huh?
Didnt they just sign Jack Vaugn too??

Nice take. I hadn't thought about Bell too much but he makes a pretty good amount of sense. The Bobcats have been shopping him and may be interested in opening up playing time for younger prospects. With RC saying that the Spurs want to add a defensive piece to the perimeter, Bell would be one of the best fits in the league.

And yeah, a trade wouldn't be too surprising. The Haislip signing was somewhat odd if there wasn't more planned. Add in Gist saying he'll make the team and there very well could be something in the works.

doesnt raja bell hate the spurs or ginobili?

I would rather have bowen then bell

Nocioni in a Spurs uniform would be my dream.

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Originally Posted by SPURSOWNTEXAS

doesnt raja bell hate the spurs or ginobili?

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he hates spurs kicking his ass out of playoffs
so he would welcome not to be playing against them in posteason

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Originally Posted by Spursmania

Nocioni in a Spurs uniform would be my dream.

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3 years ago

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Originally Posted by SPURSOWNTEXAS

doesnt raja bell hate the spurs or ginobili?

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Not when you get to play with them:lol

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Originally Posted by mosdef17

Boris Diaw in a Spurs uniform has always been a dream of mine

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You've got some boring dreams

I have to say, I think we should fine a backup point guard. That's not George Hill bashing, who I like a lot, but Hill was a 2 in college. I hope the transition works (it showed some signs last year, but also some problems) but might also look for another backup at the point, in case Pop moves Hill back to the 2 or uses him mainly in the role as a defensive specialist.

Hey guys, i'm one of those that usually like to read and not sign in but decided to add to this thread. I really enjoy reading everyone's takes at spurstalk! Anyway, i was thinking that the Spurs may be looking to get a point guard to help out Tony. What do you all think?

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Hey guys, i'm one of those that usually like to read and not sign in but decided to add to this thread. I really enjoy reading everyone's takes at spurstalk! Anyway, i was thinking that the Spurs may be looking to get a point guard to help out Tony. What do you all think?

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I agree! (And welcome to the board!) :toast

Bonner/Finley for Raja Bell works in the NBA trade machine.

We'd lose shooting with Bell instead of Finley but we need a perimeter defender especially if Bowen doesn't return.

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Originally Posted by BillMc

I have to say, I think we should fine a backup point guard. That's not George Hill bashing, who I like a lot, but Hill was a 2 in college. I hope the transition works (it showed some signs last year, but also some problems) but might also look for another backup at the point, in case Pop moves Hill back to the 2 or uses him mainly in the role as a defensive specialist.

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I agree.

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With all credit to PHILACHAMBERLAIN from another thread, how about Finley and Bonner (and whatever else is needed - picks, cash) for Shane Battier? The trade works, he'd round out the team perfectly - defensive 3 who can play some smallball 4 and hits from deep, not to mention All-American team guy. Also, his contract ends in two years, which fits the 2011 retooling plan. That would bring the roster back to 15 and we'd have the stopper we need.

Call in the Scola favour - GET IT DONE! :ihit

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I agree! (And welcome to the board!) :toast

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Thanks!

Trades have to be within 125% (plus $100K). Taken the other way, it means the Spurs could take back a player making 80% of the one(s) they send to the other team. Which means they could ship out Bonner and Finley, with aggregate salaries of about $5.75M, and take back a player with a salary of $4.55M. That particular trade would save Holt $2.4M, right off the top, because of the Lux Tax match.

If the player they receive has any value at all to the team, it would be a great deal. With all the young talent in the pipeline, they can fill out a roster. Dumping a couple of million worth of expenses would be really attractive. I'm starting to think we won't see a trade unless it is something of that nature.

[Edit: this is an example, not a suggestion.] Spurs trade Bonner/Finley to Minnesota for Darius Songaila, and Holt gets to keep almost $2.5M worth of salary and Lux Tax in his bank account. If you really believe Bonner and Finley are expendable to this team, that trade would be a no-brainer. (Please... I didn't say the Wolves would do it. Just an example.)

Bonner/Finley for Bell would be a good move.

PG parker hill
SG/SF manu RJ mason Finley
pf/c td, dice, Mahinmi, bonner haislip Blair

This will be my active list, it looks they have more than enough bigmen but are short of a backup pg. I like Hill, but he seems to me more like a sg, so bonner for a vet pg (only as the 3rd pg maybe) would be a wonderful trade.

Nice work Marcus.

I thought about this after the 'Dice signing and felt it was clear a trade was forthcoming, but was too busy to do the leg work on potential targets.

I really think we try and add a backup point, with someone at the 3/4 being an option as well. I have a sneaky suspicion that Thomas and Bowen both find their ways back after things play out, which puts us at 18 players.

We could put together two packages that send out more players than we get back, and address both positions. We shall see, but it's hard to look at this roster and not think another deal is on the way (or two).

Battier >>>>>>>>>>>> Bell

....just bring Bruce back and call it an offseason.

Since so many of you think a trade is likely how long of a wait do you think we're looking at before we hear about it?

Raja Bell pops out. Are the Cats really shopping him?

just a not so quick rundown:

i like raja well enough. im not sure he fits a big enough need to give the asset(s) necessary to acquire him though (i doubt the cats move him for other expirings straight up).

i dont think okc is looking to move thabo. and as above, im not sure hes worth the asset(s) necessary to pull the move off.

i like foster, and if they are looking to dump him, sure. i dont see him as a need at this point though.

im not sure the clippers are too inclined to move camby after successfully dumping randolph. but he would probably be worth it even at a slightly higher cost now.

i have always liked murphy, but i dont think its fair to expect the spurs to bring in that kind of salary after everything they have already done. the same goes for both chapu and diaw (who actually has 3yrs/27 mil left on his deal). i like both of their games, but thats a good bit of cash for a team that is already spending like a drunken sailor.

I like Bell. He works hard and he can knock down shots, although our offense is the least of my worries. I didn't know he was only due $5 million. For a Bowen replacement for certain matchups, I think he could work well for us.

Bell would be a good defender who has shown a knack for getting in Kobe's head a bit. A flopper to boot, he'd be a natural fit on the Spurs.

Diaw is interesting because he's such a matchup nightmare and might actually counter the one advantage the Lakers will hold if Odom signs. Diaw is of similar size and height as Odom with a skill set that resembles Odom's as well.

He's been inconsistent more often than not, but, when focused, he's a hell of a player, just like Odom. That's enough to convince me.

I'd like either of those players if the Spurs are in the market for another swing player. If I had to choose, I'd take Diaw as he's only 27 and a countrymen and friend of Parker's.

I doubt that Bell hates the Spurs considering that his fellow countryman and friend plays for the Spurs, namely one Tim Duncan.

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

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Sure. But I don't think Battier is available?

So no one will complain about Bell (or whoever) taking away minutes from the youngsters?

My only concern now is if TP goes down, there is no true backup at the point, offensively.

Bonner/Finley for Diaw would be amazing! I think the Spurs have enough wings...they can always get Bowen, if all else fails. Diaw would be a great option for us off the bench!

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Sure. But I don't think Battier is available?

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Battier is available they been shopping him along with tmac its just the fact of houston trading him to us

im pretty sure battier wouldn't mind houston is just down the road

i wouldnt mind raja bell,good defender can knock down the 3

wish we could of kept this kid back in the days him and bowen would of been a scary duo with duncan in the middle :wow

Diaw Like Odom when on their game can be one of the toughest matchups in the league. And be one of the best bench player as well. He will give you twenty one night and 4 the next. But as long as its off the bench i'm fine with that.

Is Charlotte under the cap?

Finley and Bonner for Diaw doesn't work. One of our young prospects, cash considerations or draft picks, or a combination of the three may be needed to get Diaw.

Battier is also a great option, although, for the matchup reasons provided, I'd still take Diaw.

There's no way we'd get Thabo Sefolosha.

James Jones?

I don't think Houston's shopping Battier, but who knows with the Ariza signing.

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Originally Posted by Nathan Explosion

Finley and Bonner for Diaw doesn't work. One of our young prospects, cash considerations or draft picks, or a combination of the three may be needed to get Diaw.

Battier is also a great option, although, for the matchup reasons provided, I'd still take Diaw.

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That's why I asked if they were under the cap.

Just Finley/Bonner isn't enough. I had to add Mason and Williams to make it work. It's possible they would have to add Mahinmi instead of Williams.

Not much enthusiasm for Battier... WTF? He's EXACTLY what we need, the trade works for Finley and Bonner (and throw in a pick to get it done), and apparently he's available. I'd jump all over that shit! He'd be our guy to throw at Kobe/Pierce/VC/Roy/etc.

Once again, it was PHILACHAMBERLAIN'S idea (I never steal cred):

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This is actually not out of the question. battier is in his 30s and has 2 years left on his contract. With the Rockets possibly losing yao forever they will likely want to get a 2010 free agent and need to create that space. So I am thinking battier or Scola or both will be in trade talks for this up coming season. I just hope the Rockets will help us out.

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Since so many of you think a trade is likely how long of a wait do you think we're looking at before we hear about it?

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I wouldnt expect them to do anything before february...at that point, there will be teams, that want to call it a season and trade for expirings, because they su§$ed more than they thought.

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My only concern now is if TP goes down, there is no true backup at the point, offensively.

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if TP goes down in the regular season we should be good enough to reach the playoffs nontheless...if he goes down in the playoffs, we will not go all the way anyway!

I'd like to add one more big via trade: Diaw or Camby are perfect...I dont like us signing Bell...rather give those minutes to Hill (and maybe Malik/McClinton)...and if not that, we have to take Bruce over Bell!

Not much enthusiasm cause the rockets aren't dumb enough to trade a good plAyer within the division.

What about Dahntay Jones? He made $797,581 last year, maybe he would come over for the LLE. (He is an UFA)

Bell would be great especially if he clothes lined kobe again :lol

I think Battier is probably the most overrated defender in the league. He had one good game against Kobe two years ago and it became legendary. That said, of course you trade Finley and Bonner for him. :lol He also fits the Spurs personality and has the same agent as Tim in Lon Babby.

I think they might trade for a point guard though. We have a bunch of guys who can play backup point in a pinch, but the Spurs may want more than that.

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

Not much enthusiasm for Battier... WTF? He's EXACTLY what we need, the trade works for Finley and Bonner (and throw in a pick to get it done), and apparently he's available. I'd jump all over that shit! He'd be our guy to throw at Kobe/Pierce/VC/Roy/etc.

Once again, it was PHILACHAMBERLAIN'S idea (I never steal cred).

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i love battier, but dont see that hes available; not for what we have to offer (expirings + low value assets), and especially not to us (doubtful they pick the spurs as a trade partner if value is even close somewhere else). just cant see it happening.

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What about Dahntay Jones? He made $797,581 last year, maybe he would come over for the LLE. (He is an UFA)

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Nevermind he has singed with the Pacers.... :(

Believe me, I'd love to have Battier. There's something to be said for a player who was as accomplished as Battier in college and received as many accolades as Battier did, despite not being the most talented player on the team.

Having said that, I like Diaw because his size and skill set are the exact counter to what the Lakers have in Odom. Having Diaw would level the playing field when Odom is out there, and would give the Spurs a big frontline to contend with the Lakers frontline of Bynum, Gasol and Odom, should the Lakers choose to do so.

I'd go as far as to say that the only team that could matchup better against the Lakers than the Spurs (with Diaw) is Boston with a frontline of Perkins, Sheed, and KG.

Battier is a much more consistent player by far though.

I guess Diaw is option 1 and Battier is option 1A in my book. Now, if we could convince Charlotte or Houston's front office to do business then it's a go.

As for backup point, I think that can be handled by a combination of Hill and Manu. And you never know, maybe Williams is in the race for a few minutes there too given that he ran the Toros towards the end of last season.

Backup points aren't hard to find, so I'm far more focussed on grabbing Battier!

Yeah, I don't see Houston doing us any favors by trading Battier to us.

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Not much enthusiasm for Battier... WTF? He's EXACTLY what we need, the trade works for Finley and Bonner (and throw in a pick to get it done), and apparently he's available. I'd jump all over that shit! He'd be our guy to throw at Kobe/Pierce/VC/Roy/etc.

Once again, it was PHILACHAMBERLAIN'S idea (I never steal cred):



http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...=130786&page=4

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Unless the rockets just plan to tank the season, why would they make that trade?

I wouldn't mind Finley/Bonner for Posey. What about Dalembert? Doesn't Philly want to dump his salary, not sure what we would need to do to get him, but getting salaries could move bodies to fill some holes with the minimum.

Morey wouldn't consider trading Battier to the Spurs.

I'd love a pass-first back up point guard. But who is that player?

One more thing about Diaw, if needed, he can pull a little point-forward action the way KG used to do back in Minny and Odom does every now and then. You know, just for a different look.

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Not much enthusiasm for Battier... WTF? He's EXACTLY what we need, the trade works for Finley and Bonner (and throw in a pick to get it done), and apparently he's available. I'd jump all over that shit! He'd be our guy to throw at Kobe/Pierce/VC/Roy/etc.

Once again, it was PHILACHAMBERLAIN'S idea (I never steal cred):



http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...=130786&page=4

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I've been I WISHING the Spurs had Battier for years: he's a legit two way threat, professional and classy, and NO ONE DEFENDS BRYANT BETTER.

If the Spurs somehow traded expirings for Battier, the Spurs would DESTROY THE LAKERS. Bryant would seriously need to 20 shots to get 20 points with Battier guarding him, and that's a recipe for victory for the Spurs.

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I'd love a pass-first back up point guard. But who is that player?

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Jared Jordan.... :lol

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Not much enthusiasm cause the rockets aren't dumb enough to trade a good plAyer within the division.

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Given that they aren't going to contend next year, trading a good player who is over 30 within the division isn't going to hurt them. What's more, 2010 capspace (6.8mil from Bonner and Finley) and a pick, probably mean more to them than keeping him. Make the deal sweet enough and you might be able to get it done.

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I think Battier is probably the most overrated defender in the league. He had one good game against Kobe two years ago and it became legendary. That said, of course you trade Finley and Bonner for him. :lol He also fits the Spurs personality and has the same agent as Tim in Lon Babby.

I think they might trade for a point guard though. We have a bunch of guys who can play backup point in a pinch, but the Spurs may want more than that.

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Battier has the knack Bowen used to have of hitting key three pointers at pivotal moments of the game. His intangibles are through the roof -- he'll get you plays that don't show up on the stat sheet. He may not be at Bowen's level defensively in total, but he's pretty awesome. I'd love to have him.

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I'd love a pass-first back up point guard. But who is that player?

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Pop likes shoot-first PG.

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Battier has the knack Bowen used to have of hitting key three pointers at pivotal moments of the game. His intangibles are through the roof -- he'll get you plays that don't show up on the stat sheet. He may not be at Bowen's level defensively in total, but he's pretty awesome. I'd love to have him.

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Oh, I think he fits really well for the Spurs. I just think his D is grossly overrated.

On the free agent market, Anthony Carter makes some sense. He's like a bigger Vaughn with more left in the tank. He's a pretty damn good passer and his range is improving.

Boring name but as a third point guard for minimum, I don't see a better option.

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Given that they aren't going to contend next year, trading a good player who is over 30 within the division isn't going to hurt them. What's more, 2010 capspace (6.8mil from Bonner and Finley) and a pick, probably mean more to them than keeping him. Make the deal sweet enough and you might be able to get it done.

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If the Spurs are serious about Battier, it'd probably take something like Finley, Bonner, Splitter and a pick. Spurs fans might implode if the Rockets end up with both S**** and Splitter.

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On the free agent market, Anthony Carter makes some sense. He's like a bigger Vaughn with more left in the tank. He's a pretty damn good passer and his range is improving.

Boring name but as a third point guard for minimum, I don't see a better option.

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I've admired Carter's game for a long time: he is the BENCHMARK FOR THE BACK UP POINT GUARD.

However, if the Spurs could trade for a big, ie Gadzuric, or elite two way wing, ie Bell or Battier, then I'd do those trades first.

I think Hill will continue to improve at the back up point, so it is not as pressing a need as the others.

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Unless the rockets just plan to tank the season, why would they make that trade?

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Yao is probably out, T-Mac is probably gone, so they aren't going anywhere next year. They have to know that. They also need to make time for Ariza at the 3 (if he ends of goin there, which seems like it's not a done deal). A pick and 2010 capspace would be looking good to them right now, surely?

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Morey wouldn't consider trading Battier to the Spurs.

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They owe us one for Scola. ;)

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Originally Posted by FvckMavs

Pop likes shoot-first PG.

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We have Parker and maybe McClinton. With the mark of this roster becoming a diverse group of talents, getting a passer could help.

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On the free agent market, Anthony Carter makes some sense. He's like a bigger Vaughn with more left in the tank. He's a pretty damn good passer and his range is improving.

Boring name but as a third point guard for minimum, I don't see a better option.

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I'm sure Trevor Ariza would agree with you on that one.

And Carter used to play for the Spurs, before the Spurs found out he was hiding an injury when they signed (or was it traded) for him. Plus, like Vaughn, Carter's jumper is useless.

If a perimeter defender is what is missing, just wait out Bowen. I think we already have to many new guys on the team, not to mention a couple that haven't really played all that much (Hill and Ian). I like the idea of having new blood on the team but lets not over do it either. Don't forget that most players new to the Spurs always have a hard time adjusting to the way Pop runs things on the court.

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Originally Posted by timvp

On the free agent market, Anthony Carter makes some sense. He's like a bigger Vaughn with more left in the tank. He's a pretty damn good passer and his range is improving.

Boring name but as a third point guard for minimum, I don't see a better option.

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He was a Spur in 03-04, and he only played 5 games. Maybe Pop knows something we don't.

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If the Spurs are serious about Battier, it'd probably take something like Finley, Bonner, Splitter and a pick. Spurs fans might implode if the Rockets end up with both S**** and Splitter.

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If you can get Battier for Splitter's rights, Bonner, Finley, and a first round 2010 pick Spurs don't won't to pay for, YOU DO IT.

YOU DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

The Rockets may roll with Ariza at the 2 and Battier at the 3. Ariza is of similar build as TMac. If TMac is gone, then I'd definitely see Ariza taking up the 2 spot, leaving a defensive tandem similar to Artest and Battier of last year.

Plus, can you imagine the Rockets throwing Battier and Ariza at Kobe for the next few years?

I just don't think getting Battier is possible, but you never know.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

We have Parker and maybe McClinton. With the mark of this roster becoming a diverse group of talents, getting a passer could help.

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RC and Pop have both said unequivocally that McClinton is not a point.

Houston wouldn't trade us Battier for our scraps, so scratch that.

Bell or Diaw from Charlotte are intriguing options...

I still honestly believe Pop thinks Mason can play the point. He can be a stubborn guy.

pass on Carter, we can do better

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On the free agent market, Anthony Carter makes some sense. He's like a bigger Vaughn with more left in the tank. He's a pretty damn good passer and his range is improving.

Boring name but as a third point guard for minimum, I don't see a better option.

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Carter didn't make a go of it in his first shot as a Spur, think he can this time? He's a strange guy - has had his best season as a 33-4yo.

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If the Spurs are serious about Battier, it'd probably take something like Finley, Bonner, Splitter and a pick. Spurs fans might implode if the Rockets end up with both S**** and Splitter.

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Would you do that? I hate the idea of losing Splitter, but we're talking about going all out for a ring or two over the next two seasons before Timmy rides off into the dust in 2012, so I think I would. It's all-in time, no point dicking around with a half-pot bet. ;)

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If you can get Battier for Splitter's rights, Bonner, Finley, and a first round 2010 pick Spurs don't won't to pay for, YOU DO IT.

YOU DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

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Um, hell yeah you think about sending them Splitter, not to mention a pick.

Splitter's a guy the Spurs brass was thinking could come in next year, start next to Tim, and start with Tony once Tim retires. You don't give that up when you already shipped them Scola.

That, and Battier is overrated.

Finley, Bonner, Splitter, and first rounder for Battier, I would pass, I still have hope for Splitter. If you take out splitter I would say yes without question.

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Um, hell yeah you think about sending them Splitter, not to mention a pick.

Splitter's a guy the Spurs brass was thinking could come in next year, start next to Tim, and start with Tony once Tim retires. You don't give that up when you already shipped them Scola.

That, and Battier is overrated.

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You're mistaken on this one, friend.

Put Battier on Bryant for a series, with this Spurs team minus Bonner and Finley, and the Spurs win that series 4-1, or 4-2 at worse.

No one in the league defends Bryant better than Battier: add in his clutch and timely shooting from the 3, unselfishness and team mentality, and you just got a better, two way version of Bowen, only about 5 years younger.

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If you can get Battier for Splitter's rights, Bonner, Finley, and a first round 2010 pick Spurs don't won't to pay for, YOU DO IT.

YOU DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

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It'd have to be a 2011 pick, but yeah, it's all-in time.

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RC and Pop have both said unequivocally that McClinton is not a point.

Houston wouldn't trade us Battier for our scraps, so scratch that.

Bell or Diaw from Charlotte are intriguing options...

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Not scraps - nearly 7mil in 2010 capspace, a pick and the rights to Splitter.

No way Charlotte gives up Diaw, although Bell is not a bad idea.

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You're mistaken on this one, friend.

Put Battier on Bryant for a series, with this Spurs team minus Bonner and Finley, and the Spurs win that series 4-1, or 4-2 at worse.

No one in the league defends Bryant better than Battier: add in his clutch and timely shooting from the 3, unselfishness and team mentality, and you just got a better, two way version of Bowen, only about 5 years younger.

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Maybe, but he is not worth including Splitter .

Very nice writeup, MB.:tu

We're definitely on the same page after that OP, and I had the same thought of a trade following the signing of 'Dyess.

My two points of concern would definitely be a defensive-wing (preferably 6' 6'' or over) and another capable defensive 5. (preferably 6' 10'' or over)

I've mentioned McGuire and Sefolosha incessantly on this board and have suggested trying to snag Battier after Houston's signing of Ariza and their misfortune with Yao, but Bogans seems like the type of player the Spurs would acquire. I think Sefolosha and Battier would be the best gets for a win now team, though. Sefolosha is basically a more physical Christie-type player, someone who could potentially run the point next to Hill, and Battier, like McDyess, is just one of those guys that scream "Spur" in character/professionalism. (Not to mention he's one of the best perimeter defenders in the league)

Splitter deciding to come over would be absolutely perfect to fill that 5 role, but this offseason really can't go that well, can it? I've always liked Foster and it would be nice to see the local guy have a chance to win a ring in his hometown (ala Devin) but I'm not sure where his game is at, at this point. I just haven't seen enough of him lately to make a good, honest assessment. If he's anywhere where he was 2 to 3 years ago he'd definitely be an asset and one I'd like to see the Spurs try an acquire.

I'm absolutely in disbelief at what the Spurs have done but with the way the contenders are loading up, filling that 5 and/or wing defender role might be an absolute must..

This upcoming season's playoffs are going to be absolutely bananas.:wow

if we can get Battier for expirings and Splitter I would do it in a heartbeat...come on....its about the next 2 years and we have Dyess now...Battier can do much more for us in those years

I would love me some Sefolosha. Dude was money when guarding DWade a couple years back. I don't know why he's so undervalued but think he's a potential buy-low.

I'm eagerly awaiting timvp's reply on this one.

Splitter, Splitter, Splitter... what about 7mil in 2010 capspace, 2011 first rounder, 2010 2nd rounder and 3 mil? Nah, they'd make it Splitter's rights or no deal, wouldn't they? What about 7mil in 2010 capspace and Splitter's rights, no picks? Wonder if they'd go for that?

This is all pie-in-the-sky stuff anyway. I'm very happy with the team as constituted, I just think Battier would be a perfect fit to back up RJ and be our new cooler for two seasons. We'd also then have about 28mil (RJ, Dice, Battier) coming off the cap at the end of 2011, which is intriguing.

I wouldn't trade Splitter, especially is Splitter is a more than capable big man in this league. If Splitter becomes a borderline superstar (big if I know) then the Spurs would have some blocks to build with in Parker and Splitter when Duncan retires.

I am thinking it is more about the next three, shoot for the three championships and let Duncan ride off into the sunset. You bring Splitter in and have Duncan and McDyess groom him, while finding a defensive SF. The trade would need to be for someone like a Posey or Battier. Who knows what is happening with Splitter, every detail that comes from that camp is cryptic and misleading.

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if we can get Battier for expirings and Splitter I would do it in a heartbeat...come on....its about the next 2 years and we have Dyess now...Battier can do much more for us in those years

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Agreed.

Splitter might do much for the team in 2or 3 years: but that's pretty much the end of Duncan's window.

If those role players + Splitter net you Battier, you do it. Because this is about the now: there is no more long term in Duncan's career.

Problem with Antony Carter is he's still a shitty shooter.

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Carter didn't make a go of it in his first shot as a Spur, think he can this time? He's a strange guy - has had his best season as a 33-4yo.

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Carter was hurt last time. The question is if the Spurs are still mad at him for signing with a gimpy knee.

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Would you do that? I hate the idea of losing Splitter, but we're talking about going all out for a ring or two over the next two seasons before Timmy rides off into the dust in 2012, so I think I would. It's all-in time, no point dicking around with a half-pot bet. ;)

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Hmmm. Probably. I still don't think Morey would do it unless he could get Splitter over this year.

(and the Spurs could hypothetically give them a 2010 first round pick)

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Problem with Antony Carter is he's still a shitty shooter.

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Problem with anthony carter is he is taking up space and thought on these boards we could be using on players that would be good for this team.:lol

I would love to get Battier for Finley and Bonner along with next year's 1st rounder (can we do that since we traded last year's 1st?), but I would not include Splitter. He's the long defender I've wanted to see play alongside Duncan, and there's a chance he's coming over next year.

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Um, hell yeah you think about sending them Splitter, not to mention a pick.

Splitter's a guy the Spurs brass was thinking could come in next year, start next to Tim, and start with Tony once Tim retires. You don't give that up when you already shipped them Scola.

That, and Battier is overrated.

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AHF you really think Splitter would be good enough to warrant TP staying here after Duncan retires?


I think, realistically, Parker bolts for LA as soon as Duncan leaves. He will be fondly remembered in SATown.

Why give up a potential starting center for an over 30 backup specialist? Splitter isn't untouchable, but trade him if it is something really worth it.

If we could keep Splitter and take Bell, I'd do that over trading Splitter to Houston for Battier.

Now, if we could get Battier without Splitter being in the deal, then you do it.

But I still like Diaw on this team. I think the leadership both on and off the court can help Diaw thrive. Can you imagine Diaw and Gino coming off the bench to take over the scoring for Parker and Duncan when they for a rest?

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AHF you really think Splitter would be good enough to warrant TP staying here after Duncan retires?


I think, realistically, Parker bolts for LA as soon as Duncan leaves. He will be fondly remembered in SATown.

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Which is just another reason why you trade Splitter and role players for Battier, so you can win what ever titles you can now.

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You're mistaken on this one, friend.

Put Battier on Bryant for a series, with this Spurs team minus Bonner and Finley, and the Spurs win that series 4-1, or 4-2 at worse.

No one in the league defends Bryant better than Battier: add in his clutch and timely shooting from the 3, unselfishness and team mentality, and you just got a a better, two way version of Bowen, only about 5 years younger.

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Um, no. Battier didn't do shit other than put his hand in Kobe's face while he was shooting.

Battier's defense of Kobe is such a myth. Let's take a look at the first two rounds of the playoffs for Kobe this year (vs. Utah, then vs. Houston and the 'great' Shane Battier):

vs. Utah: 40.6 MPG, .466 FG%, 27.4 PPG, 3.8 TO/G.

vs. Hous: 38 MPG, .453, 27.4 PPG, 1.57 TO/G.

So, in two less minutes per game than what he played against Utah, he was able to match his scoring average from round 1, and cut his turnovers per game by more than half. His shooting percentages went down a whopping 1.3%.

Yep, Kobe stopper indeed!

And let's not even get into regular season (okay, let's!):

Teams Kobe had a lower shooting percentage against in the regular season than Houston (I only included teams that he played 4 times to make it a true, fair comparison - larger sample size):

Denver, Golden State, Clippers, Minnesota, New Orleans, Phoenix, Portland. Out of ten teams the Lakers played four times this past regular season, SEVEN of the teams held Kobe to lower FG% than Houston and the great Shane Battier.

In short, pass.