Next Moves

The case of the disappearing roster spots.

1
Parker
Hill

2
Ginobili
Mason
Hairston
McClinton

3
Jefferson
Finley
Williams

4
Duncan
Blair
Bonner
Haislip
Gist

5
McDyess
Mahinmi

That's 16 players. Yes, Blair and McClinton have yet to sign and Williams' contract is non-guaranteed for next season, but at least the early indications are that the Spurs intend on having each one on the roster next season (otherwise the press conference for McClinton was a cruel joke). Gist reportedly said that he was going to be with the Spurs this season and would make for a fine Toro, as would McClinton.

All signs are pointing to some kind of trade on the Spurs' part, with the two most likely candidates being Bonner and Finley. I think they'll look for a 2 for 1 deal, though they could include Williams and make it a 3 for 1, which could be enticing for a trade partner looking to cut payroll this season. Still, one wonders if the Spurs would go with two young players like Hairston and Williams as their 4th and 5th swingmen to open the season. The Spurs have yet to use their LLE and apparently have $1.3 mil of their MLE to use as well. You'd think they would look at using one of those to sign Blair and the other to find some kind of defensive minded swingman.

From Mark Stein:

"• The Milwaukee Bucks continue to make Bruce Bowen's $4 million expiring contract available, but word is no trade is close. If the Bucks don't strike a deal in the next two weeks, Bowen will be waived by Aug. 1 at a cost of just $2 million, making him a free agent sure to interest various rivals of the San Antonio Spurs since Bowen is not expected to return to the silver and black. "

So it was Stein who I read that from before. I wonder where he's getting that from.

I was wondering if someone could explain something to me; Bonner & Fin both have expiring contracts right? I would think that teams that want to clear cap space in order to be ready for all the elite FA's in 2010 would have their noses so far up RC's behind trying to get a trade done. Once the trade is done & Bonner and Fin pass their physicals their new team could either use these two serviceable players, they could cut them or trade them.

If that is correct then a trade of Bonner, Fin and Williams to the Kings for Nocioni would work, provided Kings management is all for it. I'd love to keep Mason because he's about 5 or 6 yrs younger and frankly at this point I think he is a better offensive player.

Defensively, is there a way or web site where a players defensive efficiency can be measured.



I'd appreciate the help, some of you guys are freaking GM's and understand the nuances and dynamics of understanding and manipulating players and money within the CBA in the process of trying to build a better team.

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Originally Posted by Demo Dick Marcinko

I was wondering if someone could explain something to me; Bonner & Fin both have expiring contracts right? I would think that teams that want to clear cap space in order to be ready for all the elite FA's in 2010 would have their noses so far up RC's behind trying to get a trade done. Once the trade is done & Bonner and Fin pass their physicals their new team could either use these two serviceable players, they could cut them or trade them.

If that is correct then a trade of Bonner, Fin and Williams to the Kings for Nocioni would work, provided Kings management is all for it. I'd love to keep Mason because he's about 5 or 6 yrs younger and frankly at this point I think he is a better offensive player.

Defensively, is there a way or web site where a players defensive efficiency can be measured.



I'd appreciate the help, some of you guys are freaking GM's and understand the nuances and dynamics of understanding and manipulating players and money within the CBA in the process of trying to build a better team.

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It's possible that Pop wants both of them on the roster.

^Yep that trade works.

What you have to keep in mind are a few things:

1) Do the salaries match
2) Does it meet both teams needs
3) Are there basketball reasons to do a trade
4) Are there financial reasons to do a trade
5) Are there both
6) Can other teams offer a better package/similar package
7) Are there mutual benefits for both teams that would make them agree to a trade
8) What are the main goals for both teams / do multiple teams need to get involved

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

The case of the disappearing roster spots.

1
Parker
Hill

2
Ginobili
Mason
Hairston
McClinton

3
Jefferson
Finley
Williams

4
Duncan
Blair
Bonner
Haislip
Gist

5
McDyess
Mahinmi

That's 16 players. Yes, Blair and McClinton have yet to sign and Williams' contract is non-guaranteed for next season, but at least the early indications are that the Spurs intend on having each one on the roster next season (otherwise the press conference for McClinton was a cruel joke). Gist reportedly said that he was going to be with the Spurs this season and would make for a fine Toro, as would McClinton.

All signs are pointing to some kind of trade on the Spurs' part, with the two most likely candidates being Bonner and Finley. I think they'll look for a 2 for 1 deal, though they could include Williams and make it a 3 for 1, which could be enticing for a trade partner looking to cut payroll this season. Still, one wonders if the Spurs would go with two young players like Hairston and Williams as their 4th and 5th swingmen to open the season. The Spurs have yet to use their LLE and apparently have $1.3 mil of their MLE to use as well. You'd think they would look at using one of those to sign Blair and the other to find some kind of defensive minded swingman.

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Has the 1.3 of leftover MLE been confirmed? To my knowledge, that's an open question.

From where I sit, the depth chart is pretty obvious:

Parker/Hill/Williams
Mason/Gino/Hairston
Jefferson/Finley
McDyess/Blair/Haislip
Duncan/Mahinmi/Bonner

and Gist and McClinton are fighting for the final spot. The loser will get an invitation to Austin and the winner an allocation.

I agree with you about the 2 for 1 swap. But that's easier said than done.

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Originally Posted by bishopospurs

or Foster

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Would love Foster but unfortunately he's going to retire a Pacer.

some here mentioned they expect the signing of a veteran PG and after thinking a bit about it, I agree with this estimation.
ironically the reason might have to do with the good play of some young Spurs players in the summer league.
right now it looks highly likely that the Spurs will carry 5 youngsters (rookie or sophomore) on the roster (Blair, Hill, Ian, Hairston, Williams) and Haislip is also somehow a dark horse.
I really can't see the Spurs carry even more rookies, even if Gist and McClinton miraculously started to play good.
so a veteran PG on a vet. min contract likely does make the most sense and there are also a few interesting options out there. (I don't mention Vaughn)
Bobby Jackson has been mentioned, Anthony Carter, Jason Hart, Brevin Knight, Tyronn Lue, Damon Jones and some more.
and maybe this list will grow in the next weeks. reportedly a lot is going on in New Orleans, they really struggle financially and George Shinn also stated a few days ago, that they have to somehow get out of lux tax hell.
I have the gut feeling, one step will be to buy out Antonio Daniels, who doesn't have a future there and moved to the end of the bench. (if he takes a buy out of let's say 3.5 million, the Hornets save 5 million overall)
would he be an option?
other buy out candidates will be Rafer Alston, Marko Jaric, Speedy Claxton, Mike James.

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Originally Posted by mountainballer

some here mentioned they expect the signing of a veteran PG and after thinking a bit about it, I agree with this estimation.
ironically the reason might have to do with the good play of some young Spurs players in the summer league.
right now it looks highly likely that the Spurs will carry 5 youngsters (rookie or sophomore) on the roster (Blair, Hill, Ian, Hairston, Williams) and Haislip is also somehow a dark horse.
I really can't see the Spurs carry even more rookies, even if Gist and McClinton miraculously started to play good.
so a veteran PG on a vet. min contract likely does make the most sense and there are also a few interesting options out there. (I don't mention Vaughn)
Bobby Jackson has been mentioned, Anthony Carter, Jason Hart, Brevin Knight, Tyronn Lue, Damon Jones and some more.
and maybe this list will grow in the next weeks. reportedly a lot is going on in New Orleans, they really struggle financially and George Shinn also stated a few days ago, that they have to somehow get out of lux tax hell.
I have the gut feeling, one step will be to buy out Antonio Daniels, who doesn't have a future there and moved to the end of the bench. (if he takes a buy out of let's say 3.5 million, the Hornets save 5 million overall)
would he be an option?
other buy out candidates will be Rafer Alston, Marko Jaric, Speedy Claxton, Mike James.

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I've been in the camp expecting the Spurs to bring in a vet PG for a long time, and I'm still leaning that way, but there's a huge unknown to this situation. The faith the Spurs have in Williams ability to play backup PG at the NBA level. If the Spurs believe that Williams is good enough insurance behind Hill at that spot then I think we see Hairston & Williams on the roster without the Spurs bringing in a vet PG. If the Spurs aren't comfortable with Williams at PG then I think the Spurs do find a vet and Hairston & Williams find themselves in a head to head battle.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

I've been in the camp expecting the Spurs to bring in a vet PG for a long time, and I'm still leaning that way, but there's a huge unknown to this situation. The faith the Spurs have in Williams ability to play backup PG at the NBA level. If the Spurs believe that Williams is good enough insurance behind Hill at that spot then I think we see Hairston & Williams on the roster without the Spurs bringing in a vet PG. If the Spurs aren't comfortable with Williams at PG then I think the Spurs do find a vet and Hairston & Williams find themselves in a head to head battle.

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even if they want to see how Williams handles PG duties, they might still go for a vet PG. Williams would be another inexperienced PG.

I guess the question if either Hairston or Williams or both stay will be their defense. if the Spurs believe, they can both defend at NBA level. if not, they will look for a vet. wing stopper. if yes, they could very well think about playing them both alongside. the advantage would be, that the lengthy Williams can compensate for the lack of size of Hairston and they can switch spots on offense and defense.

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Originally Posted by mountainballer

even if they want to see how Williams handles PG duties, they might still go for a vet PG. Williams would be another inexperienced PG.

I guess the question if either Hairston or Williams or both stay will be their defense. if the Spurs believe, they can both defend at NBA level. if not, they will look for a vet. wing stopper. if yes, they could very well think about playing them both alongside. the advantage would be, that the lengthy Williams can compensate for the lack of size of Hairston and they can switch spots on offense and defense.

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They certainly could go that way. JMO, but keeping both Williams and Hairston on the roster seems a bit redundant to me if there's both a vet PG and Michael Finley on the roster. But there's plenty of offseason left so who knows whether or not the roster situation will be the same in October as it is in July.