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Louis (San Antonio)
Even with Marion, Mavs can't touch the Spurs, right?
John Hollinger
(3:15 PM)
Um, you watched the playoffs this year, right? San Antonio obviously will be better adding Manu, Jefferson and McDyess to that crew, but I don't think it's a given that they beat out Dallas.
Josh (Knoxville, TN)
Marcus Haislip - what's his potential ceiling for the Spurs?
John Hollinger
(3:22 PM)
Ever watched "Being John Malkovich"?
That must mean that the Spurs will beat the Mavs
John Hollinger.. jinxing teams since 1996
Hollinger is still butt hurt over that "Spurs won't make the playoffs" prediction in last years preseason.
Me: Hollinger is not a given to be a decent Sportswriter.
It's true.
But who knows if the spurs will actually run into Dallas in the playoffs next season.
I guarantee this though, both teams want that series to happen again.
Tim Duncan (San Antonio)
With so many teams making big moves, can I really win a championship next year? Assume Manu is totally healthy.
John Hollinger
The problem isn't Manu's health, it's Duncan's. We just don't know how much the knees are going to hinder him next season, and that's the biggest variable for the Spurs going forward. Based on their spending this summer, seems to me they think they have one year, two max, before they have to start over.
Hollinger is an idiot.
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Originally Posted by urunobili
Duncan is a great player even with bad knees.Quote:
Originally Posted by urunobili
John Carr (Charleston, SC)
How do you think Antonio McDyess and Richard Jefferson will fit on the court with TD, TP, and Manu? Seems like a solid veteran 5 to have on the court during crunch time...
John Hollinger
Outstanding starting five, I agree, and the pieces fit together pretty well since McDyess can shoot and Jefferson has become fairly proficient at that corner 3. And having Mason and Bonner off the bench as snipers is a nice luxury too. But that's another old team trying to hold it together, much like Dallas.
Lakers not a given to beat Spurs
Celtics not a given to beat Spurs
Cavs not a given to beat Spurs
and vice versa, etc, etc. Pointless
old team? Christ, this guy is completely stupid. The Spurs could possibly have 6 or 7 guys on the roster with less than 3 years of experience. this guy is pathetic.
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Originally Posted by benefactor
fuck this asshole Hollinger
lol "Old Spurs"
Another sportswriter taking a shortcut to thinking
No one should be surprised at Hollinger's retarded take on the Spurs. The fact is that it's tough for him to view the entire NBA landscape, with his head so firmly up his ass.
Hollinger is not a given to give quality opinions.
Hollinger IS a given to beat his meat
Parker 27Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdog
Mason 28
Jefferson 29
Duncan 33
McDyess 34
Ginobili 31
Finley 36
Bonner 33
Hill 23
Avg age of Top 9 is 30.4 and that's now - not playoff time.
John Mark Carr?Quote:
Originally Posted by urunobili
Beat me to the punch. Good post.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
I guess the Spurs have too many young players?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solid D
bonner is not 33. and the spurs only have 20 something year olds left to sign. haislip, 28 is signed already.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
lakerfan lies!
Bonner isn't 33 and Finley won't be playing muchQuote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Is he 33??? WTFQuote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
I stand corrected. Looked at the wrong column - he's 29
Parker 27
Mason 28
Jefferson 29
Duncan 33
McDyess 34
Ginobili 31
Finley 36
Bonner 29
Hill 23
Avg age of Top 9 is now an even 30 and that's now - not playoff time.
We were a lot older in '07Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
Being a Laker fan you dont know the rest of the team like we do. You dont know if Bonner or even Finley will still be here or on the active roster...AND being a Laker fan I see you didnt include the Spurs young guns in Mahinmi, Blair, McClinton, Gist, Haislip, and Hairston. 3, 4 hell even all of these guys may make the roster for all we know...so you cant really be averaging out the ages right now when you dont know who will make the final roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
what is the average age of the lakers
33?
how does Marion help the Mavs, let alone make them better. The biggest advantages the Mavs had were Devin Harris, Avery Johnson and a hurt Manu and Timmy.
You gave Matt Bonner an extra 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
I guess his athleticism or lack thereof makes him play like a 33 year old?
By playoff time, Bonner will be 30, Duncan will be 34, and Dyess will be 35.
That's an OLD frontline - no matter how you cut it.
Haislip and Blair will try to get them through the regular season but considering their histories (one been out the league, the other doesn't have ACLs) but you're rolling the dice on some oldheads holding down the fort in the middle.
Fixed a littleQuote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
Looks like a perfect mix of talent, experience, and youth to an objective eye.
Somehow Mason (28) is going to go from 30 mpg to zero lakerfan?
Is lies!
Laker fan or not - I know basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by crc21209
I know Pop played Finley last year no matter what - I see no reason for that to change.
I see a bunch of young guys who've done nothing in the league and considering the traditionalist of the Spurs, would have to play at damn near All-Star level to get meaningful minutes in the clutch. Ya'll was almost eliminated before Pop rolled the dice with Hill (way too late).
Unless the Spurs make another trade - Pop is going with what he knows and those 9 are it.
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Originally Posted by 2Cleva
And there's little, if any problem with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
Riiight. I'm sorry...you know SOOO much more than I do and talk to Pop every day. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
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Originally Posted by 2Cleva
Richard Jefferson.
Doy.
In all Honesty this feels a lot like '03 - several risks bneing taken - new athletic 3 who can score, lakers fresh off a title and suddenly incinvible...
pop may go with vets after allstar breakQuote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
but he will play the newbies right away and save the vets for playoffs
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Originally Posted by 2Cleva
I'll take our bench: Hill, Mason, Finley, Bonner, Blair, McClinton? Haislip? Hairston? and any other young gun who makes the roster > Vujacic, Farmar, Walton, Mbenga, Powell ANY day.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
Marion certainly makes the mavs more talented, but I'm curious how all that is going to fit together. To me it looks like Cuban is playing fantasy basketball again. But who knows, Carlyle is a good coach maybe he'll find a way to make it work.Quote:
Originally Posted by galvatron3000
Hey Guys did I introduce you to one of my new bitches after Ariza left LAX?
Just in case, meet 2Cleva one of my new ho's...
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Originally Posted by 2Cleva
Look for the Spurs to make one more move to bring in a vet Big, then let's see what everyone thinks.
For the top of the rotationQuote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Fisher 34
Bryant 30
Artest 29
Gasol 29
Bynum 21
Odom 29
Walton 29
Farmar 22
Brown 23
Avg age 27.3 as of now.
They do have a core who will be 30+ come playoff time as well, so the facts don't support the "old Spurs", "young Lakers" argument.
Perception makes the difference because the Spurs have been consistently injury hobbled the last few years, specifically the foundations of the teams (Kobe/Duncan).
Everyone knows Kobe will be ready to go 100% come playoff time. No one would bet the same for Duncan.
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Originally Posted by 2Cleva
Convenient decision to use Finley in the top 9 instead of Blair or Mahinmi. Blair and/or Mahinmi, and maybe even Haislip or Hairston, will likely log more minutes than Fin this season.
Substituting Blair for Fin, the Spurs average age is 28.7. Substituting Ian instead, their average is 28.9.
With the recent roster changes, the Spurs collective age is no longer concerning in and of itself, it's only the recent injury history of Duncan and Ginobili that is troublesome.
ChumpDumper - You don't see Mason? Get your glasses fixed. I admitted my mistake on Bonner, due catch up.
ducks - agreed on the rotations by Pop. SA's problems isn't due to wear and tear in the season, its the cumulative wear and tear over the years for Duncan.
crc21209 - you listed all of SA's bench but missed the key part of LA's. Assuming LO is back, that's checkmate.
SuperDave - can't put a rookie in the rotation off the bat considering the Spurs history. Can't take Finley out for the same reasons.
Nobody knows anything for anyone that far ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
If you really need to post all this to convince yourself, go ahead.
matt (atl)
John:Please answer!!!!!How does a childress for Bowen sign and trade make any sense for the Hawks? Bowen's offense was never very good and considering he is about 100 years-old, he is barely more helpful than Bibby on defense.
John Hollinger
I left out the part about a protected first-round pick; that would be the Hawks' incentive to participate. Bowen's contract is only partially guaranteed and Hawks would waive him in this scenario.
That's assuming the Spurs stick with Finley and Bonner, which is far from a given, and ignores the fact that the Spurs are already expecting Blair (20) to make the rotation.
the games kobe has played will start catching up with him
he has played alot
not saying this year but it is not a given he is always going to be healthy anymore
kg was pretty healthy tell this year
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Originally Posted by 2Cleva
Sorry. I was focused too much on Finley.
I think we'll be fine.
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Originally Posted by 2Cleva
No one would bet the same for Duncan huh? How about your "savior" at Center? How do we know he's going to stay healthy? He may very just go down again...I'm just sayin...
I don't see Marion fitting in a productive way.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
Dampier
Norwitski
Marion
Howard
Kidd
Barea
Terry
Humphries
Ross
When the Bulls won their last championship in 1998, Jordan and Harper were 34, Rodman was 36, and Pippen was 32.
When the '72 Lakers won the championship after winning 69 regular season games, they were led by a 35 year old Wilt Chamberlain and a 33 year old Jerry West.
These are two of the best teams ever assembled.
This will make it's own thread...
Dave (MN)
Assuming we've never seen "Being John Malkovich," what do you really think of Haislip and how good he can be?
John Hollinger
Fifth big man at best. This year's Anthony Tolliver.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
The last time Duncan looked 100% come playoff time was 2007. That's also the last time he won a ring, last time he was at 20+ ppg. The minutes haven't changed much over the last 5 years, yet his rebounding rate is going down. What's even more alarming is his shotblocking - not getting at least 2 per game for the last two years after doing it his first 10.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
Arrogant lakerfans have gotten rather rude come-uppances in the past.
Take heed.
I bet you Hollinger was like "Wtf who is this Haislip guy, let me put him through a generator then make something up."Quote:
Originally Posted by urunobili
Agreed, everyone has to pay that piper eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
That's part of the reason they got Artest - save Kobe from having to be THE defender in the 4th, also another guy who can create his own shot.
What SA needs to do is find another anchor for Tim, not a shooter from the 4. Dalembert, Chandler, or the like would have been a better fit than McDyess.
he was asked about him twice... I think he may have failed in the past projecting him as a star... :lol from there the hate probablyQuote:
Originally Posted by kbrury
What makes you think Duncan HAS to avg 20 ppg for the Spurs to win a ship'. GTFO. We have enough fire power in Tony, Manu, Jefferson, Mason, Hill, Blair, etc. Timmy doesnt have to be 99' Timmy for this team to be successful anymore...times have changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
Thing is...Dalembert and Chandler are both under contract and would've been harder to obtain. And I'll take McDyess over "All I can do is dunk off an alley-oop" Chandler who can't stay healthy for shit ANY day of the week.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
Hollinger is such fail.
for this spurs team to be successfully tp will have to have around 20 points in a game
if he gets that many points he is playing agressive and then he will get his teamates open and get those assist
duncan does not have to get 20 a game anymore
:lol lakerfan is talking about injuries and then recommended Chandelier?
dice is more healthy then brytham
Kobe is the only guy in the league that is still running strong against the likes of Duncan, Garnett, McGrady...and whoever else. For all the players that came out then....Kobe is the one still running the strongest.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Dallas definitely got better by adding Marion. The Spurs were probably the better team last year when a healthy Manu was in the lineup -- but that is debatable.
Think of the offseason in another light. The Spurs will add Ginobili, Jefferson and McDyess to their rotation. Those are much better additions than Marion and Gortat. But the Spurs did not stop there. They also added Blair, Hailslip, and a host of other young talents whereas Dallas might be oldest team in the NBA next year.
Dallas will be better -- esp if they end up with Gortat. But they still lack a low-post presence on offense. And the Spurs will have a clear edge on paper. Assuming everyone from each team stays healthy, I think experts would pick the Spurs over the Mavs 8 times out of 10.
I think all the movement is great. I love to see good players migrate from the East to the West. It makes for an entertaining regular season...
Both Philly and NO will give those two away for last years at this point because both teams are paying the lux tax (Philly having Brand coming back).Quote:
Originally Posted by crc21209
If he plays come playoffs, its not the offense SA needs, its the D. Who is going to protect the basket against teams like LA, Denver, Dallas when Duncan is going to have to focus on just guarding his man?
How many injuries did we have last year? And how many did ya'll have...that made ya'll get spanked by the Mavs in the 1st round....the Mavs....lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
You worry about your team and Bynum who's made of glass...and we'll worry bout our team got it? :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
Why do lakerfans say "y'all" all the time?Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelerNation
Buncha hicks.
And why are they here telling themselves that the lakers are the bestest and no one could ever beat them?
We've heard this song before.
"SteelerNation" the brand new Laker fan posting here.
Frontrunner much, dude?
Hicks? You faggot. I live in San Antonio and thats the way we talk in Texas...fuckin moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Why is this thread filled with insecure Laker fans when this is about Dallas and San Antonio matching up?
fear much?
Y'all didn't have Chandler, that's for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelerNation
How about I beat your ass kid? I bet you run and hide when you see me.Quote:
Originally Posted by CubanMustGo
Hey, he knows basketball!Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
http://robotpirateninja.files.wordpr..._tough_guy.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by SteelerNation
I'm not trying to trash talk - just comparing rosters and talking about the game.
If not interested, scroll.
Lakerfan is also an internets tough guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelerNation
How do Spurs fans shrug of guys out side of Texas making fun of you? Stand up and be pround...or are you a bunch of women?
I found a picture of Hollinger
http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/6649/upandlocked.jpg
Faggots one and all
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Originally Posted by urunobili
I'm very interested in why you feel the need to do this on this board so often.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2Cleva
Becareful though....
So the reason you are here is to find love.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelerNation
Ok.
As for Chandler, he's one big man that gives LA fits when he plays. Sheed was the right fit for SA, when they didn't get him, going for someone of his style, albeit lesser, would have made more sense than getting a guy who doesn't help the D.
Sounds like I struck pretty close to home, tough guy of the internets.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelerNation
And I'm probably old enough to be your father, not that I'd want that curse.
hollinger is best when evaluating individual talent but not so much when it comes to teams and projections for the playoffs and titles. he seems at a loss when he can not place a quantitave value to something.
I love how Laker Fan disappeared for years when their team was getting curbstomped by D'Antoni or missing the playoffs but now they are back in full force. Greatness.
All hail Jerry West.
Because I don't believe the knowledgable and secure Spurs fans mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelerNation
You already know I've been here since the site opened.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp