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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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Originally Posted by
2Cleva
Everyone knows Kobe will be ready to go 100% come playoff time. No one would bet the same for Duncan.
Nobody knows anything for anyone that far ahead.
If you really need to post all this to convince yourself, go ahead.
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
matt (atl)
John:Please answer!!!!!How does a childress for Bowen sign and trade make any sense for the Hawks? Bowen's offense was never very good and considering he is about 100 years-old, he is barely more helpful than Bibby on defense.
John Hollinger
I left out the part about a protected first-round pick; that would be the Hawks' incentive to participate. Bowen's contract is only partially guaranteed and Hawks would waive him in this scenario.
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
That's assuming the Spurs stick with Finley and Bonner, which is far from a given, and ignores the fact that the Spurs are already expecting Blair (20) to make the rotation.
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
the games kobe has played will start catching up with him
he has played alot
not saying this year but it is not a given he is always going to be healthy anymore
kg was pretty healthy tell this year
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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Originally Posted by
2Cleva
You don't see Mason? Get your glasses fixed.
:lol
Sorry. I was focused too much on Finley.
I think we'll be fine.
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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Originally Posted by
2Cleva
For the top of the rotation
Fisher 34
Bryant 30
Artest 29
Gasol 29
Bynum 21
Odom 29
Walton 29
Farmar 22
Brown 23
Avg age 27.3 as of now.
They do have a core who will be 30+ come playoff time as well, so the facts don't support the "old Spurs", "young Lakers" argument.
Perception makes the difference because the Spurs have been consistently injury hobbled the last few years, specifically the foundations of the teams (Kobe/Duncan).
Everyone knows Kobe will be ready to go 100% come playoff time. No one would bet the same for Duncan.
No one would bet the same for Duncan huh? How about your "savior" at Center? How do we know he's going to stay healthy? He may very just go down again...I'm just sayin...
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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coyotes_geek
Marion certainly makes the mavs more talented, but I'm curious how all that is going to fit together. To me it looks like Cuban is playing fantasy basketball again. But who knows, Carlyle is a good coach maybe he'll find a way to make it work.
I don't see Marion fitting in a productive way.
Dampier
Norwitski
Marion
Howard
Kidd
Barea
Terry
Humphries
Ross
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
When the Bulls won their last championship in 1998, Jordan and Harper were 34, Rodman was 36, and Pippen was 32.
When the '72 Lakers won the championship after winning 69 regular season games, they were led by a 35 year old Wilt Chamberlain and a 33 year old Jerry West.
These are two of the best teams ever assembled.
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
This will make it's own thread...
Dave (MN)
Assuming we've never seen "Being John Malkovich," what do you really think of Haislip and how good he can be?
John Hollinger
Fifth big man at best. This year's Anthony Tolliver.
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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Originally Posted by
ChumpDumper
Nobody knows anything for anyone that far ahead.
If you really need to post all this to convince yourself, go ahead.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
The last time Duncan looked 100% come playoff time was 2007. That's also the last time he won a ring, last time he was at 20+ ppg. The minutes haven't changed much over the last 5 years, yet his rebounding rate is going down. What's even more alarming is his shotblocking - not getting at least 2 per game for the last two years after doing it his first 10.
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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Originally Posted by
2Cleva
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Exactly.
Arrogant lakerfans have gotten rather rude come-uppances in the past.
Take heed.
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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Originally Posted by
urunobili
This will make it's own thread...
Dave (MN)
Assuming we've never seen "Being John Malkovich," what do you really think of Haislip and how good he can be?
John Hollinger
Fifth big man at best. This year's Anthony Tolliver.
I bet you Hollinger was like "Wtf who is this Haislip guy, let me put him through a generator then make something up."
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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Originally Posted by
ducks
the games kobe has played will start catching up with him
he has played alot
not saying this year but it is not a given he is always going to be healthy anymore
kg was pretty healthy tell this year
Agreed, everyone has to pay that piper eventually.
That's part of the reason they got Artest - save Kobe from having to be THE defender in the 4th, also another guy who can create his own shot.
What SA needs to do is find another anchor for Tim, not a shooter from the 4. Dalembert, Chandler, or the like would have been a better fit than McDyess.
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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kbrury
I bet you Hollinger was like "Wtf who is this Haislip guy, let me put him through a generator then make something up."
he was asked about him twice... I think he may have failed in the past projecting him as a star... :lol from there the hate probably
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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Originally Posted by
2Cleva
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
The last time Duncan looked 100% come playoff time was 2007. That's also the last time he won a ring, last time he was at 20+ ppg. The minutes haven't changed much over the last 5 years, yet his rebounding rate is going down. What's even more alarming is his shotblocking - not getting at least 2 per game for the last two years after doing it his first 10.
What makes you think Duncan HAS to avg 20 ppg for the Spurs to win a ship'. GTFO. We have enough fire power in Tony, Manu, Jefferson, Mason, Hill, Blair, etc. Timmy doesnt have to be 99' Timmy for this team to be successful anymore...times have changed.
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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Originally Posted by
2Cleva
Agreed, everyone has to pay that piper eventually.
That's part of the reason they got Artest - save Kobe from having to be THE defender in the 4th, also another guy who can create his own shot.
What SA needs to do is find another anchor for Tim, not a shooter from the 4. Dalembert, Chandler, or the like would have been a better fit than McDyess.
Thing is...Dalembert and Chandler are both under contract and would've been harder to obtain. And I'll take McDyess over "All I can do is dunk off an alley-oop" Chandler who can't stay healthy for shit ANY day of the week.
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
for this spurs team to be successfully tp will have to have around 20 points in a game
if he gets that many points he is playing agressive and then he will get his teamates open and get those assist
duncan does not have to get 20 a game anymore
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
:lol lakerfan is talking about injuries and then recommended Chandelier?
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
dice is more healthy then brytham
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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Originally Posted by
ducks
the games kobe has played will start catching up with him
he has played alot
not saying this year but it is not a given he is always going to be healthy anymore
kg was pretty healthy tell this year
Kobe is the only guy in the league that is still running strong against the likes of Duncan, Garnett, McGrady...and whoever else. For all the players that came out then....Kobe is the one still running the strongest.
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
Dallas definitely got better by adding Marion. The Spurs were probably the better team last year when a healthy Manu was in the lineup -- but that is debatable.
Think of the offseason in another light. The Spurs will add Ginobili, Jefferson and McDyess to their rotation. Those are much better additions than Marion and Gortat. But the Spurs did not stop there. They also added Blair, Hailslip, and a host of other young talents whereas Dallas might be oldest team in the NBA next year.
Dallas will be better -- esp if they end up with Gortat. But they still lack a low-post presence on offense. And the Spurs will have a clear edge on paper. Assuming everyone from each team stays healthy, I think experts would pick the Spurs over the Mavs 8 times out of 10.
I think all the movement is great. I love to see good players migrate from the East to the West. It makes for an entertaining regular season...
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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Originally Posted by
crc21209
Thing is...Dalembert and Chandler are both under contract and would've been harder to obtain. And I'll take McDyess over "All I can do is dunk off an alley-oop" Chandler who can't stay healthy for shit ANY day of the week.
Both Philly and NO will give those two away for last years at this point because both teams are paying the lux tax (Philly having Brand coming back).
If he plays come playoffs, its not the offense SA needs, its the D. Who is going to protect the basket against teams like LA, Denver, Dallas when Duncan is going to have to focus on just guarding his man?
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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ChumpDumper
:lol lakerfan is talking about injuries and then recommended Chandelier?
How many injuries did we have last year? And how many did ya'll have...that made ya'll get spanked by the Mavs in the 1st round....the Mavs....lol.
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Re: Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas
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Originally Posted by
2Cleva
Both Philly and NO will give those two away for last years at this point because both teams are paying the lux tax (Philly having Brand coming back).
If he plays come playoffs, its not the offense SA needs, its the D. Who is going to protect the basket against teams like LA, Denver, Dallas when Duncan is going to have to focus on just guarding his man?
You worry about your team and Bynum who's made of glass...and we'll worry bout our team got it? :tu