Hollinger: San Antonio is not a given to beat Dallas

Hollinger doesn't hate anybody, his opinion is completely based on his calculations and formulas, so you're basically angry at his numbers..

I also don't take offense to this..Dallas has a great roster right now, the 3rd best in the West IMO..they also have a lot of confidence when they go up against us, since they've beaten us in the playoffs multiple times..they match up well..

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Originally Posted by Amarelooms

What's the big deal here...this is not something we didn't know...it's like saying the sun is hot. Mavs just matchup well with the Spurs. Even if the Spurs win...it would be a battle and they would be too worn out to advance much further.

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Hollinger put it best when he says, "just another old team trying to keep it together".

Truer words could not have been spoken about the status of the Spurs and Mavs. Neither are truly going to win a title with what they have, but it's not like they have any other choice but to try and compete until it's absolutely time to rebuild. It's sad to see the powerhouses fall, but that's the reality of the NBA.

Realistically the next championship is going to be won by LAL, CLE, or BOS.

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Originally Posted by DrHouse

Hollinger put it best when he says, "just another old team trying to keep it together".

Truer words could not have been spoken about the status of the Spurs and Mavs. Neither are truly going to win a title with what they have, but it's not like they have any other choice but to try and compete until it's absolutely time to rebuild. It's sad to see the powerhouses fall, but that's the reality of the NBA.

Realistically the next championship is going to be won by LAL, CLE, or BOS.

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You need to read my post on Page 5.

Myth Buster #1: Spurs are not a senile squad.

4 of 15 players are 30 or older

11 or 15 players are under 30 and 7 of those are 28 or younger.

Again....never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

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Originally Posted by DrHouse

Hollinger put it best when he says, "just another old team trying to keep it together".

Truer words could not have been spoken about the status of the Spurs and Mavs. Neither are truly going to win a title with what they have, but it's not like they have any other choice but to try and compete until it's absolutely time to rebuild. It's sad to see the powerhouses fall, but that's the reality of the NBA.

Realistically the next championship is going to be won by LAL, CLE, or BOS.

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And to say SA doesn't have a chance to win the title.....its terrible even by your standards, DrHouse.

They are a legit contender along with LA, Boston, and Cleveland.

No the Spurs do not have another chance to win a title.

And the reason is because Duncan and Ginobili are no longer in their primes.

You lost 4-1 to an absolutely god awful Mavericks team last season. You have no idea how far the Spurs have fallen in two short seasons.

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Originally Posted by DrHouse

No the Spurs do not have another chance to win a title.

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100% sure? 'Bet your life' sure?

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Originally Posted by anakha

100% sure? 'Bet your life' sure?

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He sees holes in other teams: but NONE in the Lakers.

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Originally Posted by DrHouse

No the Spurs do not have another chance to win a title.

And the reason is because Duncan and Ginobili are no longer in their primes.

You lost 4-1 to an absolutely god awful Mavericks team last season. You have no idea how far the Spurs have fallen in two short seasons.

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4-1 with MANU OUT! The team upgraded with RJ too, add Dyess and Blair etc. and this team is ALOT better than last years!

If Manu is healthy and Tim near 90% come playoff time that team will be deadly, how dare you compare last years beat up team who lost to Dallas as indication the Spurs will not win another title.

Are you serious?:lol

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Originally Posted by Sean Cagney

4-1 with MANU OUT! The team upgraded with RJ too, add Dyess and Blair etc. and this team is ALOT better than last years!

If Manu is healthy and Tim near 90% come playoff time that team will be deadly, how dare you compare last years beat up team who lost to Dallas as indication the Spurs will not win another title.

Are you serious?:lol

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Originally Posted by Extra Stout

Hollinger does not understand the NBA inside-out. He understands anything that can be reduced to rules and numbers. So, he demonstrates expertise in the details of the salary cap. He devises formulas to try to quantify players and teams, with mixed results. His greatest fallacy is that he believes that by devising a formula for how good a player or team is, that his results are by definition dispassionate and objective. The fallacy is obvious, because his models are by definition subjective and unprovable. He also fails to adjust his models when the results defy common sense.

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I don't disagree with that - yes, Hollinger is a statistician so he largely relies on statistics for his analysis - but I think he has more non-statistical insight than you give him credit for. Admittedly, he also makes some shocking calls, but so does every commentator on, it's a hazard of the trade.

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That was my understanding for a while. It turns out it is incorrect. Tendonosis can be corrected with rest and therapy in 80% of cases. This therapy consists of low-intensity exercise of the tendon, and of deep massage to break up the disordered collagen, and to remind the body that the tendon is still injured so that the body kickstarts the healing process again with normal collagen. Only 20% of cases are chronic and degenerative.

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Thanks for the info, good to hear. Let's hope Tim is one of the 80%.

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I think the minutes will be more like 32 and 28 respectively, and that those numbers won't change until the playoffs. Giving one or the other guy the night off on back-to-backs I expect to be a staple of the upcoming season.

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You're probably right, that's a more orthodox position, but I don't think it has to be that way. With so many youngsters to play, why not cut back on Tim and Manu by a few minutes a game for the first three months of the season, both to trial the youngsters and preserve the aging? In late-January/February you can then ratchet up their minutes to what you suggest. What is the downside of this?

The spurms are going nowhere...plain and simple...
These mother fuckers are in denial!! hahaha

Dr. House: Purveyor of lies and slanted truths.

C'mon Doc. Let's talk weaknesses of these supposedly unbeatable Lakers. Ok, so you got 1 title with Bean as the leader. Everything came together and those teams that lost their stars or had them incapacitated in some form (basically every team you played in the playoffs) could not overcome their missteps and poof...a parade on Figueoroa. Like they say, the sun shines on a dog's ass every now and then.

Cut to today, I'm listening to LA Sportstalk and Kupchak describes the Odom negotiations as "tenuous" or not easy. If the LAL lost Odom, would you same that same shit drivel? I'd like to see you spin that.

Anyways, let's say you luck out and Lo-Dum gets off his 10 mill high horse and signs for 7 mill. I say you got a strong 5. Bryant, Gasol, Odom, Artest, Bynum. Currently constructed(Odom is not yet signed) The rest of the official roster is as follows:
Shannon Brown
Chinemelu Elonu
Jordan Farmar
Derek Fisher
DJ Mbenga
Adam Morrison
Josh Powell
Sasha Vujacic
Luke Walton
Sun Yue
Walton & Fisher basically amount to role players that are used for heavy minutes to either shoot(Fish) or pass(Walton).
Farmar on a reach gives you a speed option and Brown gives you a brawn option.
The rest of your team is basically scrubs that belong on the bench including the overpaid Vujabitch(Lakerfan terminology not mine). Some players once projected to amount to something in the NBA have not and truthfully, can you say that this is the year they will? NOPE.

It's almost as your team outlasted the competition as opposed to outright domination like you guys like to spew. Yeah, I wouldn't call it domination at all.

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

Hollinger is interesting - the guy clearly knows the NBA inside out, understand the cap, gets the way teams trade and assemble their rosters, yet he is also clearly disposed to hating on some teams, and the Spurs are one of those teams. I wouldn't just right his analysis off though, because he's right more often than he's wrong.

I think a number of his comments about us were odd and made little sense, but he's spot on about one thing - Timmy's knees are our greatest concern. As I understand it, tendonosis is a degenerative condition, and for the last 3 months of last season he was playing at about 60%. It will be difficult for us to make the Finals, let alone win them, if that happens again.

For the coming season we really need to wrap Tim and Manu in cotton wool - play them 30 and 24 mins respectively until March, regular rest on b-2-bs, etc. It's time for Pop to adjust to the age of his most important players and tap the depth of this roster. I hope he plays it right.

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No he doesn't, he picked the Spurs in 2007 I believe. Or at least his formula did

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Originally Posted by Ghazi

No he doesn't, he picked the Spurs in 2007 I believe. Or at least his formula did

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:wow

There was a period where Ray Allen looked finished because of multiple similar ankle issues to Manu. But then he got it together for the 2008 season and has been super durable and very productive for the last 2 seasons. I think to count Ginobili out at his age with the type of injuries he had is ridiculous. He has a great chance to come back and be 90% Super-Manu which will be more than enough to put the Spurs in the hunt.

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Originally Posted by barbacoataco

There was a period where Ray Allen looked finished because of multiple similar ankle issues to Manu. But then he got it together for the 2008 season and has been super durable and very productive for the last 2 seasons. I think to count Ginobili out at his age with the type of injuries he had is ridiculous. He has a great chance to come back and be 90% Super-Manu which will be more than enough to put the Spurs in the hunt.

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Very true: hopefully that is the case.