Rasheed's comments on why he didn't go to the Spurs

In his presser, Sheed said after the season ended early for them, he was thinking about teams he would go to. San Antonio, Dallas, Orlando, Cleveland, Boston..

He then talked about how the Boston team showed up and talked to him and his wife, then (later) they made their decision.

The real curious comment was a follow-up question regarding what helped make his decision. He said (paraphrased) he thought about San Antonio but that he wasn't that enthused about some of the moves they made to their roster.

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What moves specifically were not mentioned. I wonder if he has an issue with RJ? Bowen leaving? Hmmm.

He's probably referring to seeing Matt Bonners name still on the roster lol

hes pissed about Finley being back....

Competing with Haislip for minutes scared him off.

That's...odd.

Maybe RJ for KT, Oberto, and Bowen = less touches for Sheed?

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Originally Posted by TDomination

He's probably referring to seeing Matt Bonners name still on the roster lol

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I was gonna do this: :lol, but on second thought, that might really be the reason. I guess he forgot about Scalabrine!

I'm guessing he's not a Richard Jefferson fan. Not sure what else it could be.

Oh well. I'd rather have McDyess with a third-year non-guaranteed than Wallace with a third-year player option.

Sheed's an idiot.

That would have been such a sick lineup.

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Originally Posted by TDomination

He's probably referring to seeing Matt Bonners name still on the roster lol

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That crossed my mind as well. Especially after Rasheed's quote last year of the Pistons gameplan against the Spurs being "give it to whoever Bonner is guarding" :lol

Hmm interesting. Maybe he wanted Vince Carter on the team ;).

I wonder what moves he is talking about.

So was he still the Spurs number 1 target or what? A lot of people said Boston's recruiting was too desperate and the Spurs approach was better, but it seems they were wrong and Rasheed really liked the Celtics hard push to get him. I really expected the Spurs to be there at 12:01am to talk to him, unless they didn't really want him that bad I don't know why they didn't.

That's okay. It's not a Spurs Championship unless somebody hits a game-winning three in Sheed's grill.

On a more serious note, the Spurs picked up Blair and RC was talking about 20 minutes a night for him immediately. Maybe Rasheed saw that cutting into his PT.

How can it be bonner when Sheed coming here would have negated Bonner???

I wish Sheed the best, and he would have been great for the Spurs, but now it's it's time to move on.

What's more, Dice is better for the Spurs than Sheed. It's that simple.

Also, Sheed is trying to rationalize the fact that he WANTED TO GO GO BOSTON, and he did so, and that's that.

But all of sudden, Sheed is a GM, an expert on Spurs players?

Excuses. Sheed, you wanted to go to Boston, and it fits you more personality wise, and that's fine (because Pop would have only tolerated your attitude to a degree).

But quite simply, the Spurs are better off WITHOUT Sheed than they ever would have been WITH him.

So thanks Sheed, for being the blessing in disguise.

Most likely explanation is the Spurs weren't willing to give Wallace a third year player option and he had to come up with an excuse on the fly.

Wow, this could get ugly.. About a week ago, people were begging this guy to come. Now, I can see the majority of the spurs fans will shit on this guy. :lol
My, how quickly people can turn on you.

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Originally Posted by spurs_fan_in_exile

On a more serious note, the Spurs picked up Blair and RC was talking about 20 minutes a night for him immediately. Maybe Rasheed saw that cutting into his PT.

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i thought about it too, but really, i can't imagine Sheed afraid by the Bigs competition for a spot on the spurs rotation. not with mahinmi, Blair (2 young unproven) and Bonner as competitors.

I think Sheed would have fit in the system. I doubted his ability to play within the system. Perhaps him going to Boston was a blessing in disguise. After all, McDyess has impeccable character and work ethic.

no more love for sheed? i doubt he cares about playing time or touches seeing as he didn't in Detroit

I'm not an extremely vocal member on these forums, but I stated from the beginning that I hoped we never sign Sheed. Dyess on the other hand is so perfect for our team. I'm elated. And I didn't change my opinion :)

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Originally Posted by timvp

Most likely explanation is the Spurs weren't willing to give Wallace a third year player option and he had to come up with an excuse on the fly.

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really ? maybe. but i wouldn't have been shocked if he simply said he had a better offer from Boston, or Boston was his first choice stuff like that.

Usually, when you say thing like this ("i didn't like some of their moves"), you have a specific idea. don't know.

Very odd comments indeed, especially since so many fans and critics alike were talking about how the Spurs were having the best offseason so far.

haha I'm not mad at Sheed, I'm just bummed about what could have been


Can you imagine Sheed during a media interview when the natl. media is traditionally shitting on the Spurs!?!? That's the kind of stuff I have been dreaming of :depressed

Damn sucks that we didn't land Sheed, but hey McDyess will be great for us anyway. Rasheed is crazy to think it was roster moves that made him not wanna come to SA, imo iI think he just made that up. Oh well, when you have KG, Ray, Paul and Danny Ainge basically kissing his ass and sucking his pinga, I guess he gave in. He'll regret it though, come June, when Dyess and Duncan are hoisting that trophy in front of him.

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Originally Posted by SonOfAGun

haha I'm not mad at Sheed, I'm just bummed about what could have been


Can you imagine Sheed during a media interview when the natl. media is traditionally shitting on the Spurs!?!? That's the kind of stuff I have been dreaming of :depressed

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:lol

Personally I'm not saddened by this. All I can picture in my head is Sean's dagger over Sheed in '99, and Horry's in '05. I'd love to see RJ hitting the series deciding shot over him in '10.

Plus he strikes me as someone who might not quite have fit here. McDyess should have been Plan A from the start, IMO.

Sheed could have been better but Dice is safer, and still very solid.

and with three NBA unproven players as Bigs (mahinmi, blair and haislip), it's not so bad to have a safer choice with Dice.

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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

That's okay. It's not a Spurs Championship unless somebody hits a game-winning three in Sheed's grill.

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:toast Very nicely done.

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Originally Posted by afireinside20

Damn sucks that we didn't land Sheed, but hey McDyess will be great for us anyway. Rasheed is crazy to think it was roster moves that made him not wanna come to SA, imo iI think he just made that up. Oh well, when you have KG, Ray, Paul and Danny Ainge basically kissing his ass and sucking his pinga, I guess he gave in. He'll regret it though, come June, when Dyess and Duncan are hoisting that trophy in front of him.

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:toast

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Originally Posted by timvp

I'm guessing he's not a Richard Jefferson fan. Not sure what else it could be.

Oh well. I'd rather have McDyess with a third-year non-guaranteed than Wallace with a third-year player option.

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what would he have against Richard Jefferson? They play the same position?

Wallace would have given the 2009-10 an extremely high ceiling. If Wallace is playing at a high level, he's a damn near perfect fit on the Spurs.

That said, McDyess is a much, much safer option. Wallace would have resulted in headaches for the coaches and worries for the fans. And with Wallace, there would have been a chance that the chemistry just didn't work out. McDyess doesn't come with that risk.

In other words, Wallace would be like investing in a volatile stock, while McDyess is like investing in a mutual fund.

The worst thing for an old vet who choose to play for a contender is being traded to a crappy team.
Maybe Sheed wasn't pleased to see that Spurs have traded Bruce and KT to Milwaukee and feared that they could also do it with him

Better connections in Boston?

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Originally Posted by Bruno

The worst thing for an old vet who choose to play for a contender is being traded to a crappy team.
Maybe Sheed wasn't pleased to see that Spurs have traded Bruce and KT to Milwaukee and feared that they could also do it with him

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Yeah, but why would Sheed think he'd be exempt from being traded in a few years from Boston?

'Dice > 'Sheed

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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

That's okay. It's not a Spurs Championship unless somebody hits a game-winning three in Sheed's grill.

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:lmao It's gotta be Dice that does it. He went to Bama like Horry and his knees are jacked up like Sean's.

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Originally Posted by SonOfAGun

How can it be bonner when Sheed coming here would have negated Bonner???

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exactly!

he knew that if he came here, Bonner was going to show him up and take all his minutes.

smart man

Nice cover. Truthfully it was probably about the Spurs not willing to guarantee x amount of dollars for him.

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Originally Posted by mazerrackham

I'm not an extremely vocal member on these forums, but I stated from the beginning that I hoped we never sign Sheed. Dyess on the other hand is so perfect for our team. I'm elated. And I didn't change my opinion :)

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I think many people thought the chance of getting rwallace was higher then dice. at least i did.

Sheed? Whozzat? Who the fugg cares?

2008-2009:

Double Doubles

Regular Season

Dice 16 (out of 62 games, 13 of 30 when starting)
Sheed 15 (out of 66 games, 15 out of 63 when starting)

Playoffs

Dice 1
Sheed 0

Wins Shares

Regular Season

Dice 5.3
Sheed 4.8

Playoffs

Dice 0.2
Sheed 0.0

PER

Regular Season

Dice 16.6
Sheed 14.9

Playoffs

Dice 14.8
Sheed 6.1 (one of the lowest in history)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/DET/2009.html

also note that in the 1995 NBA draft, Dice # 2 > Sheed # 3

Boston did what this off season outside of signing Sheed that impressed him?

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Originally Posted by Solid D

In his presser, Sheed said after the season ended early for them, he was thinking about teams he would go to. San Antonio, Dallas, Orlando, Cleveland, Boston..

He then talked about how the Boston team showed up and talked to him and his wife, then (later) they made their decision.

The real curious comment was a follow-up question regarding what helped make his decision. He said (paraphrased) he thought about San Antonio but that he wasn't that enthused about some of the moves they made to their roster.

???

What moves specifically were not mentioned. I wonder if he has an issue with RJ? Bowen leaving? Hmmm.

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"not enthused about some of the moves they made with their roster"

is code for:

"i'm really impressed how KG managed not to drag his teeth at all..."

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Originally Posted by rayray2k8

Wow, this could get ugly.. About a week ago, people were begging this guy to come. Now, I can see the majority of the spurs fans will shit on this guy. :lol
My, how quickly people can turn on you.

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+1
By and large SpurFan very defensive, making excuses.

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Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones

Plus he strikes me as someone who might not quite have fit here. McDyess should have been Plan A from the start, IMO.

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He probably was

Wallace has on court basketball IQ. Not Basketball GM IQ.

Memorial Day Miracle 2.0 coming next June. Jefferson over Wallace. Or maybe Wallace leaves Duncan to guard Ginobili 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

+1
By and large SpurFan very defensive, making excuses.

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By and large you attack everything the Spurs do, making excuses.


I'm OK with 'sheed heading to Boston, he did what he thought was best for him. Would I rather him be in SA? Sure, but Dice isn't a bad consolation prize and is arguably a better fit for the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by timvp

That crossed my mind as well. Especially after Rasheed's quote last year of the Pistons gameplan against the Spurs being "give it to whoever Bonner is guarding" :lol

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He really said that?

I am happy he is not coming.

Funny how everyone is saying Wallace was a big risk now, yet just a few days ago when I said it it was blasphemy.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130289

I think our the moves he's referring to is us leaving our front court bare thin with the RJ trade, and he didn't want to come in and be a savoir front court player.

AKA, he was lazy/felt he was too old for this shit lol. McDyess is the real man, he's not scared

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Originally Posted by lurker23

That's...odd.

Maybe RJ for KT, Oberto, and Bowen = less touches for Sheed?

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Nah... can't be that since he is going on a team with Rondo, Pierce, Allen, and Garnett. Who doesn't shoot??

If anything, his shots would have increased with the departure of Oberto and KT (although I see him returning).

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Originally Posted by ffadicted

I think our the moves he's referring to is us leaving our front court bare thin with the RJ trade, and he didn't want to come in and be a savoir front court player.

AKA, he was lazy/felt he was too old for this shit lol. McDyess is the real man, he's not scared

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That could definitely be it but that is why you come in an talk with the FO to see what their direction would be.

Even still, if this is why, the it is a punk move just like when Gortat stated he didn't want to go to Houston because of the pressure to fill Yao's shoes.

Dah well he should of bite the bullet but fuck him if thats his dumbass reason then so be it.

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Originally Posted by Booharv

He really said that?

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Yes.

Wallace has issues.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

He said (paraphrased) he thought about San Antonio but that he wasn't that enthused about some of the moves they made to their roster.

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Maybe Rasheed didn't want to face Blair in practice.

One of the sportswriters wrote an article that Sheed was basically looking to loaf and not do the heavy lifting. Sounds like he was right, Sheed figured if he can only get half the dough he wants, he would go somewhere where he could play half the minutes. Does not sounds like an attitude befitting the Spurs organization. Doubt he does much at all with the Celtics, definitely expecting some career low stats out of the dude.

that awesome because mcdysse has played less then 182 games
more then 2 seasons
so he maybe older but has played less games

I think it really came down to what one poster said about who does Sheed prefer to hang out with for Dinner and long trips either Manu,Bonner,RJ,Parker or KG,PierceAllen. It seems Boston has personalities he identifies more with then the spurs.

He just wanted to be with his peoples. You know the kind of black people who over exagerate celebration after every made shot or dunk. Hes too gangsta for the spurs and Duncan. He would be more comfortable with Garnet. They have the same stereotype personality.

Rasheed is an East Coast guy (like Odom). Those guys usually don't sign on with the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by ffadicted

I think our the moves he's referring to is us leaving our front court bare thin with the RJ trade, and he didn't want to come in and be a savoir front court player.

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That's the meaning I got as well. Maybe Sheed didn't want to play a big role like the one he would have had with the Spurs any longer. In Boston, he's more or less the backup for Garnett, while in San Antonio, he would have been a starter (IF Fin doesn't land the starting PF-spot, that is ;)).

I think whoever said Sheed is lazy and didn't want to work his *ss off for the Spurs was right. The dude is chronic under-achiever.

Anyway I thought he was a bad fit for the Spurs. Why bring a head-case bad attitude player in now when the Spurs have always tried to sign class act players with character. When you have been using a philosophy for years, THAT WORKS, why change it now and sign someone like Sheed? Some of y'all were so into him that you forgot what he is really about.

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Originally Posted by Knoxxx

One of the sportswriters wrote an article that Sheed was basically looking to loaf and not do the heavy lifting. Sounds like he was right, Sheed figured if he can only get half the dough he wants, he would go somewhere where he could play half the minutes. Does not sounds like an attitude befitting the Spurs organization. Doubt he does much at all with the Celtics, definitely expecting some career low stats out of the dude.

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I buy it. He wants to party til retirement. He didn't like KT, etc., leaving.

To me it sounds like Rasheed didn't want to come over here and be the Spurs' savior. He's mentioned before that he doesn't want to be a star on his team, he'd rather be a piece to the puzzle. With the frontcourt being rather thin, he probably felt like he would need to be the savior.

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Originally Posted by barbacoataco

I think whoever said Sheed is lazy and didn't want to work his *ss off for the Spurs was right. The dude is chronic under-achiever.

Anyway I thought he was a bad fit for the Spurs. Why bring a head-case bad attitude player in now when the Spurs have always tried to sign class act players with character. When you have been using a philosophy for years, THAT WORKS, why change it now and sign someone like Sheed? Some of y'all were so into him that you forgot what he is really about.

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Come on. Sheed may be "technical-prone", but he gets a lot of them because of his bad reputation.
Apart from that, I've never heard or read anything about him being a bad teammate or not being a good sport. "Head-case" - to some extent, maybe. But "bad attitude player" - I think that's being unfair to Wallace.

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Originally Posted by mytespurs

what would he have against Richard Jefferson? They play the same position?

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Jefferson and the Nets have had a great deal of bad blood with the Pistons over the last decade.

Sheed probably isn't all that fond of Jefferson's whining that Billups broke his wrist on purpose a few years back.

Sheed = Spurstrodamus

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Originally Posted by quentin_compson

Come on. Sheed may be "technical-prone", but he gets a lot of them because of his bad reputation.
Apart from that, I've never heard or read anything about him being a bad teammate or not being a good sport. "Head-case" - to some extent, maybe. But "bad attitude player" - I think that's being unfair to Wallace.

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He does have a bad attitude, and he is an under-achiever. The 1st thing people say about Sheed is that he could have been as good as Duncan but was too lazy throughout his career. He played hard for the 2004 and 2005 seasons, but now is not the player some think he is. His defense is also overrated. Anyway he's not a Spur so "who cares?"

Screw Sheed, he is out East now, let him help the Celtics. He had his chance to wear silver and black and I respect his choice, but the McDyess signing totally made up for losing out on Sheed.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

In his presser, Sheed said after the season ended early for them, he was thinking about teams he would go to. San Antonio, Dallas, Orlando, Cleveland, Boston..

He then talked about how the Boston team showed up and talked to him and his wife, then (later) they made their decision.

The real curious comment was a follow-up question regarding what helped make his decision. He said (paraphrased) he thought about San Antonio but that he wasn't that enthused about some of the moves they made to their roster.

???

What moves specifically were not mentioned. I wonder if he has an issue with RJ? Bowen leaving? Hmmm.

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Is he still having nightmares about how game 5 of the 2005 Finals ended ?

If I left Horry wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide open, I would :D

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Originally Posted by Bruno

The worst thing for an old vet who choose to play for a contender is being traded to a crappy team.
Maybe Sheed wasn't pleased to see that Spurs have traded Bruce and KT to Milwaukee and feared that they could also do it with him

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Boston was offering up Allen supposedly. Ainge will toss Sheed like spoiled fish if something better is available. and every players best friend, Doc, will say he hated to do it but he'll support his GM.

I've got no malice against Sheed because he elected to go to Boston rather than come to the Spurs. He's now with an organization that he likes and the Spurs now have a former teammate of his, that they and we all like. At this point in time, it's irrelevant as to why he didn't come and he should've simply refrained from answering the question. Of course, time has proven that Sheed doesn't always know when to just shut up. Even as his skills have declined a bit, the one thing he's still good at is running his damn mouth.

I know Pop would have given him no slack for lazy or sloppy play. Not sure how well that would have gone down.

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Originally Posted by scottspurs

Memorial Day Miracle 2.0 coming next June. Jefferson over Wallace. Or maybe Wallace leaves Duncan to guard Ginobili 2.0.

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It would be priceless if it was Bonner that hit a shot like that, after he stuffs Sheed's three at the other end.

Good points, doesn't mesh well with Pop, better fit with goons like Garnett that like to yell F-U repeatedly in Duncan's face just because he finally made a play on TD. Also we would trade his ass in a heartbeat just for showing up with bad hair and a 'tude.

Initially I was not aware how effective Dice still was, so Wallace seemed like the "must have" for lack of a better alternative and dearth of bigs on our roster. It's not like I followed the Pistons AT ALL to know the quality of play from Dice. Now I am thinking "things happen for a reason" and won't be sad at all to miss out on the last couple of years of Sheed's act.

Fuck Rasheed. I never wanted him on the team and I'm glad he is gonna suffer some massive failure in Boston.

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Originally Posted by Steven

Fuck Rasheed. I never wanted him on the team and I'm glad he is gonna suffer some massive failure in Boston.

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That was basically what I was saying, but in a more diplomatic and analytical way. I think it is now apparent Sheed is a lazy goon that would have disappointed us, and Dice is the consummate Spurs professional that was flying under the radar but perfect for us.

If Bonner's the reason the Spurs ended up with McDyess instead of Rasheed, then I have to say Matt's earned his bloated paycheck.

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Originally Posted by Knoxxx

That was basically what I was saying, but in a more diplomatic and analytical way. I think it is now apparent Sheed is a lazy goon that would have disappointed us, and Dice is the consummate Spurs professional that was flying under the radar but perfect for us.

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Excuse me for not being as sophisticated and intelligent as you douchebag.

look-the guy is entitled to his opinion. in his mind, the celtics made better moves. i guess we'll find out if he was right or not come next may and june.

This does cast a shadow of doubt on Sheed's intentions. The Sheed I wanted was the Sheed from 04/05, hot tempered and streaky, but capable of aptly fulfilling a role. While I doubt he has become any less hot tempered and streaky, his caution towards signing with us precludes a lack of desire to really succeed. He will have less of a workload in Boston, especially if Powe makes a full - and early - recovery. But do you want to depend on that type of player come Playoff time?

I admit I was a supporter of Sheed signing for the Spurs. I believe he can turn around a pathetic performance in 09 with a refreshing run in '10 for Boston. I don't know for sure, though.

I too was a strong supporter of Sheed coming to SA. But in retrospect, McDyess is definitely the better fit. I can't wait to see how Dice plays with the rest of the guys.

I don't understand either.

They replayed the video on Max sports tonight so here is Rasheed Wallace's exact quote:

"and not taking anything away from San Antonio but I..I would have to say that a few of the changes they made on their bench and their roster uh didn't quite sit with me too well, so I had to go to the best place where I felt as though it was a good fit for myself."

Sheed was just :smokin

Probably just talking out his ass and it was about having that third year as his option as some of you already stated. Plus, I heard KG also promised to give him handjobs before and after games and practice. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Damn, I'm glad RC & Pop were smart enough to get McDyess. I can't wait to see Sheed walk off the court while McDyess is holding the 2009-2010 NBA Championship Trophy high above his head with a gigantic smile on his face. Keep talking Sheed cause it's gonna bite you in the ass!!!

I think Rasheed was not a big fan of the Spurs dumping Bruce and KT and was concerned about the Spurs lessening focus on defense. I also assume he does not think RJ is the answer to the Spurs needs. Boston won the title last year and he apparently thinks with a heathy KG that they can again.

I always find it funny when fans get bent out of shape over a player saying exactly what they have been saying. Recall the responses here to the benching and subsequent trading of Bruce. Guess Rasheed was not a supporter of that move either.

I also very much enjoy all the people now jumping off the Rasheed bandwagon and onto the McDyess one after they were begging for Rasheed.

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Originally Posted by lakaluva

You homers should not have taken that personal. If Im Sheed, I would love to kick some dirt in Queen James face by not allowing him to get to the finals. Also, If Im Sheed, I look at the Lakers sitting up top out west, and think to myself I'd rather be on the Celtics playing the Lakers, than on the Spurs playing the Lakers, espcially since the C's own the Lakers, and the Lakers own the Spurs.

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:rolleyes

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Originally Posted by JamStone

Probably just talking out his ass and it was about having that third year as his option as some of you already stated. Plus, I heard KG also promised to give him handjobs before and after games and practice. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by ploto

I think Rasheed was not a big fan of the Spurs dumping Bruce and KT and was concerned about the Spurs lessening focus on defense. I also assume he does not think RJ is the answer to the Spurs needs. Boston won the title last year and he apparently thinks with a heathy KG that they can again.

I always find it funny when fans get bent out of shape over a player saying exactly what they have been saying. Recall the responses here to the benching and subsequent trading of Bruce. Guess Rasheed was not a supporter of that move either.

I also very much enjoy all the people now jumping off the Rasheed bandwagon and onto the McDyess one after they were begging for Rasheed.

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You should be worrying about your sorry ass Pacers. The Spurs will be fine.

I never wanted Rasheed. I have always thought he was a really talented guy who never lived up to his potential, mostly because he has a bad attitude and questionable work ethic. I'll take McDyess, any day of the week. It's a no-brainer.

Does anyone even know if we really wanted Sheed first? Maybe we slipped it out there that we were after him to get everyone else off the trail. It's obvious we wanted McDyess more since we gave him supposedly a better contract than was allegedly offered Sheed. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

In any event, I'm much happier with McDyess. Much more of a Spur and he'll have a great finish to his career here. I still remember how much getting that championship meant to Finley. Antonio will get the same feelings!!!!:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

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Originally Posted by Steven

Excuse me for not being as sophisticated and intelligent as you douchebag.

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I rest my case. In fairness, I did attempt to communicate on your level (you should try that sometime) by referring to Sheed as a goon. Still no love, had to retaliate, whatever man.