Calling Sam Presti: We Need Your Help!

It's been a great offseason so far. One that ensures that the Spurs will contend for a title, but here is a thought for some icing on the cake.

With the salary cap room that the OKC Thunder has, have Presti sign Odom to a contract for around $6.5/7.0 million per year, then trade Odom to us for Bonner, Finley and Williams and a 2nd round pick.

This gives the Thunder 3 expiring contracts to possibly land a person they want during the season when teams will try to trade to create more cap space and it gives us possibly the best 1 thru 10 ever assembled on one team.

The $6.5/$7.0 is more than any other team can offer, except Portland, and may be enough for the Lakers not to match.

Jefferson can play the 2,3,4
Odom the 3,4,5


Starting Lineup

Parker
Jefferson
Odom
McDyess
Duncan

Bench

Ginobili
Hill
Mason
Blair
Haislip
McClinton
Hairiston

Odom'll demand a lot more money than that. And the Lakers will still be able to match any offer throw at him.

that would be insane.....and I am sure Stern would do everything possible to stymy such an occurance. Also, no way does Odom leave LA.

It would be absolutely sweet if it happened though. I will go one step further and say that Milwaukee cuts Bowen and we re-sign him to a 1 yr deal and allow him to retire a Spur.

BTW....McDyess would come off the bench.

C - Duncan, Mahimni, Haislip
PF - Odom, McDyess, Blair
SF - Jefferson, Bowen, Gist
SG - Mason, Manu, Hairston
PG - Parker, Hill, McClinton

This lineup would be insane with Championship possibilities.....

You're dreaming.. Run into a wall with a knife to wake yourself up. :)

LA is already willing to pay Odom 8 million.

Sign a player for the LLE to include in the trade, which would bring Odom's salary to $9.0 million. Lakers would then be $ 23 million over the lux tax threshold if they matched.

You can not sign and trade a player from another team.

okay it would impossible to beat us pretty much then

:)

Why would Presti do this? On the off chance he could make a trade using those expiring contracts? Even for next summer it's a crap shoot. And he's not an idiot.

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Originally Posted by BaumSquad

Sign a player for the LLE to include in the trade, which would bring Odom's salary to $9.0 million. Lakers would then be $ 23 million over the lux tax threshold if they matched.

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I doubt they care as long as they get Odom back..
You just turned this into a laker thread.... Nice job.

fail. this thread is beyond unrealistic.

Who is Presti going to sign?? Add 2 Vets to his young team?? Why not??

I will ask OKC for help to get Sefolosa as he is the key missing piece and trade Ian to them He is Presti pick anyway. I can also trade Mason and Bonner to them if they cAn help to sign big baby Davis

Rofl

Odom has already been reported as asking for 10mil.

A scenario like that would never play out anyway - blatant collusion is verboten.

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

He will likely want more than that, but he won't get more than that. It is just the way money works. Everyone is short on it this year with the exception of the Blazers, Pistons, Raptors and Thunder.

I see this deal as highly unlikely. I would love for it to happen, but chances are it won't.

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I really don't know what the Blazers are waiting to go hard after Odom, they need a 3 and they'll be devitalizing a direct rival.

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Originally Posted by DAF86

Odom'll demand a lot more money than that. And the Lakers will still be able to match any offer throw at him.

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Why would the Laker be free to match any offer???

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

The deal is not all that unrealistic, it is just unlikely to happen. Plus the Spurs don't want to take on too many big contracts to win now and regret it later. We still have to re-sign Parker and hopefully Manu.

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i think its unrealistic because theres no motivation for OKC. they dont need vets, if we give them another first round maybe. further, odom is not looking for 7 million, if he was, the lakers resign him easily. he wants 10+. this move would require the lakers to agree as well. you cannot sign someone and trade them right away unless it is a sign and trade. so the lakers would need to get something in return.

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Originally Posted by my2sons

Why would the Laker be free to match any offer???

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'Cause Odom played for them last season.

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Originally Posted by ploto

You can not sign and trade a player from another team.

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

They can match it, but Odom is an unrestricted free agent. Meaning he can sign where ever he wants. So if the Spurs/Thunder do pull this off for 7 million a year and the Lakers match that offer, Odom still has the option to sign with the Spurs/Thunder.

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What I'm trying to say is that: at equal amount of money the most probable scenario will be Odom picking LA.

I thought this thread would have been a crap for Durant thread








i kinda wish it was then my brain wouldn't be hurting as much

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Originally Posted by my2sons

Why would the Laker be free to match any offer???

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I think what he's saying is that the Lakers are waiting for him to get another offer on the open market, and then they'll match dollars. Odom's not restricted, but coming off the championship, all other things like money being equal, he'd go back to LA.

Y'Know, I'd just be fucking happy if Presti decided to opt out of the remaining FA market this summer, take our junk contracts with their cap room and send us nothing but a big fat trade exception. They can try again next summer.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

I think what he's saying is that the Lakers are waiting for him to get another offer on the open market, and then they'll match dollars. Odom's not restricted, but coming off the championship, all other things like money being equal, he'd go back to LA.

Y'Know, I'd just be fucking happy if Presti decided to opt out of the remaining FA market this summer, take our junk contracts with their cap room and send us nothing but a big fat trade exception. They can try again next summer.

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:toast

Your idea is impossible on a number of different levels. Still, it forced me to take a peek at Oklahoma´s payroll, and found myself amazed at their possibilities:

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1801/oklahoma.png

So in essence, they´ve got 4 great prospects (Westbrook, Harden, Durant and Green) with one of those being franchise calibre, all of which are really young yet not too raw, athletic, intelligent, team oriented and well adjusted individuals, without serious injury concerns and low bust potential, and unlike other rebuilding teams of recent (Hawks, Blazers, Bulls) that stockpiled talent thus creating logjams at a certain position, they actually make sense together. Plus they also have a few interesting players around them in Krstic and Sefolosha that they could use in the future.

But in addition to it and what impresses me the most, they also have tremendous cap flexibility without any long term ties other than rookie scale deals or a couple other cheap contracts that don´t run for more than two years. So in light of their projected 20 to 30 million available for use in one of the deepest FA classes to memory in 2010 (enough to pursue a franchise calibre player plus enough help around), and provided they win something like 35-40 games this season and thus position themselves as a reality in the near future, they should be in good position to persuade a franchise calibre player to join them. That, coupled with the projected growth of their young nucleus, should make them contenders a year or two after that. And for God knows how long.

Don´t get me wrong, it´s not like I just found out today their draft picks and roster and had an epiphany, but when you look not every isolated move but the whole picture, damn it hits you what a masterful job Presti has done so far. And yes, I realize that not everything may pan out, but still you just about can´t picture a better situation for a franchise than the one they are looking at. I´ve got to admit, I can´t help but to feel a bit envious and bitter that we lost him.

This would be awesome. All things equal, there's no question Odom re-signs with LA.

Thing is, as of now... LA is only offering Odom 1 year. He wants a multi-year deal. He's not gonna ge that $10+mil he wants, he's gotta know that by now. So question is, does he want to take a 1 year deal and go for another contract next year (when there's gonna be even more high profile FA's, and less money to go around)... or does he want to take a multi-year deal at 7-8 million now and give himself some guarantee?

Signing somebody for the LLE and includng them in the deal would actually get Odom almost exactly what he's asking for, but I think it would still have a good chance of happening even if you didn't do that.

I think this deal is alot more possible than most are realizing. It's just not probable. Mainly for the reason that nobody has probably even thought of this.

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

Odom has already been reported as asking for 10mil.

A scenario like that would never play out anyway - blatant collusion is verboten.

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If Odom is a 10 millions players, i´m a 1 million players

Odom is a or little more MLE PLayer right now.

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Originally Posted by Dro210

I think this deal is alot more possible than most are realizing. It's just not probable. Mainly for the reason that nobody has probably even thought of this.

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It's not possible because a team can only s&t its own freeagents. Okc cant sign and trade odom.

Thank you Capt. Obvious... It wouldn't be a S&T... We'd have to wait 3 months or until December 15th, I believe... Big deal

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Originally Posted by rayray2k8

You're dreaming.. Run into a wall with a knife to wake yourself up. :)

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What would you have said if I had posted at the end of the season saying that we would acquire Richard Jefferson and Antonio McDyess? that I was dreaming?
I know its not likely at all to happen I just thought it was an interesting idea.

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Originally Posted by BaumSquad

What would you have said if I had posted at the end of the season saying that we would acquire Richard Jefferson and Antonio McDyess? that I was dreaming?

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I would have said "Good, they revisited that deal with Milwaukee that almost went through at the trade deadline". I think they would have pulled the trigger then if it wouldn't have left us so short of big men for the playoff run. You can't reload as easily during the season like SA is doing now.

McDyess shouldn't be THAT much of a surprise. He was one of those older second tier FAs, we had the money and he was a good fit.

The Odom scenario is unrealistic. But it would cap a great summer if Sam Presti helped us out with some of that young talent he has. Fight fire with fire.

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

The deal is not all that unrealistic, it is just unlikely to happen. Plus the Spurs don't want to take on too many big contracts to win now and regret it later. We still have to re-sign Parker and hopefully Manu.

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A free agent signed by a new team cannot be traded until December 15th or 3 months after signing, whichever is later.

Aka, its not just unrealistic, it's impossible.

Here's the sign-and-trade rule:

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Originally Posted by NBA CBA

(1) A Veteran Free Agent and his Prior Team may enter into a Player Contract pursuant to an agreement between the Prior Team and another Team concerning the signing and subsequent trade of such Contract, but only if (i) the Contract is for three (3) or more Seasons (excluding any Option Year), (ii) the Contract is not signed pursuant to the Mid-Level Salary Exception or the Disabled Player Exception, (iii) the first Season of the Contract is fully protected for lack of skill, and (iv) the acquiring Team has Room for the player’s Salary plus any Unlikely Bonuses provided for in the first Season of the Contract.

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Sign and trades MUST involve the prior team, aka the Lakers, and it's not likely they'll do that with Odom.

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

Odom and the Spurs probably wouldn't care. The Spurs get Odom while taking him away from the Lakers at the same time and Odom gets paid. So what if he has to wait 3 months playing for a bad team?

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You couldn't legally have an agreement beforehand (collusion), that means OK could do anything they wanted with Odom, including keep him if they end up in the playoff race (a distinct possibility if they took Odom).

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

I'll give you a little hint. Pre trade agreements happen all the time. So long as Odom doesn't screw it over by saying "I'm not looking forward to playing with the thunder too much because I'll be traded to the Spurs before 2010." the spurs would be fine. This deal is realistic it just isn't likely to happen. I am backing this guys idea because it is well thought out and not a bonner and finley for Durant and Westbrook thread.

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Yes it does, but I've never heard of even this long term of situation.

The point was, there would be no binding agreement, so if someone offered the Thunder a better deal come December, or they were in the playoff hunt, it wouldn't go through. Or maybe the Spurs lose interest and OKC is stuck with Odom when they don't want him.

OKC is not going to agree to it. If they sign Odom, it's because they want Odom. Why would they risk being stuck with a multi-year, large contract with Odom, when the proposed deal is for expiring contracts to give them back cap space they already have without spending it?

Also, considering they'll have to cut someone to accept a multiple for 1 trade for people they likely have no interest in...

The one thing you have to remember about the Thunder's talent is that that talent will cost money to keep once the rookie contracts expire. Unless the Thunder is going to take a Florida Marlins route, they're going to need all the cap room they can get.

Plus, Clay Bennett lost a boatload of money in this economy, so I don't think he's willing to take on extra salary any time soon, at least, not until he has to.

For that reason alone, I don't see it happening.

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

It was just an idea, not a rumor. An idea that I thought was very well thought out and helped the Spurs without being completely impossible. If it were a rumor I might be against it, but as an original idea I will agree with the OP that this is a solid idea. Not likely, but still solid.

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Thanks, and youre right, it is really really unlikely but I just thought it was interesting and seeing how Sam Presti is a San Antonio guy and they are one of only a few teams with money I was thinking of ways to exploit it! thanks for backing me for what was just a thought!

Who cares is OKC were to back out on the deal once they got him and played well... at least Odom wouldn't be a Laker.

and this deal helps them clear even more cap space, not lose it.

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Originally Posted by Dro210

and this deal helps them clear even more cap space, not lose it.

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Uhh, unless they're getting rid of someone already on their roster, its completely impossible for this kind of deal to clear more cap space than they already have...