He played 1 game vs Lakers last season (he was injured for the other one I think, the one they actually won :lol )
36 minutes
14 pts
12 rbds (2 offensive)
1 ass
1 st
1 blk
2 to's
4 pf
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He played 1 game vs Lakers last season (he was injured for the other one I think, the one they actually won :lol )
36 minutes
14 pts
12 rbds (2 offensive)
1 ass
1 st
1 blk
2 to's
4 pf
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Originally Posted by lefty
Dice isn't afraid of the Lakers!!!
But they sure are afraid of him...
i don't think he was injured, it might have been when he was forced to sit out before he could re-sign with the team.
I like the number of those rebounds.
Only 1 ass? Weak... :downspin:Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
No way to tell how he'll do under a new system.
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Originally Posted by objective
Actually, I think they only played once.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
I'm not totally sure but I checked 'Sheed's stats and there was also only one game. Could've just been a quirk in the schedule, especially since they only would've played twice at the most anyway, but 'Sheed and 'Dyess did have their way in that game.
More importantly, how did Pau's numbers look vs Dice ?
Pau GasolQuote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
Min. = 40:51
FGM/A = 5/10
points = 12
Freethrows = 2/2
rebounds = 11 (all defensive)
assists = 3
40 minutes, 12 pts, 11 reb. Some of that may have been against Kwame, though. Lakers won 92-77. Sheed and Rip were both injured for that game.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
not bad not badQuote:
Originally Posted by phyzik
:lmao regular season
Insecure douche.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrHouse
NBA teams always play teams from the opposing conference twice, one home, one away. Teams from your own conference you play either 3 or 4 times, depending on the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLACKJACK21
Did Dr. House ever get with Cutty? (Cuddy?) She's hot
Also, the Dr. House on this forum sucks.
McDyess didn't play in Detroit's November 14th game against the Lakers; he was traded to the Nuggets on 11/3, waived on 11/10, and resigned by the Lakers on 12/9. Sheed didn't play in Detroit's March 26th game against the Lakers; he did not dress due to a left calf strain.
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Originally Posted by lurker23
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Originally Posted by lurker23
And, that would make sense.
There's been a couple of quirks in the schedule over the las couple of years, teams playing 2 or 3 times instead of 4 inside their conference, so I thought that might have been the case.(playing once instead of twice)
Too bad Kobe and Artest will do what they want if we don't bring Bruce back.
Artest sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210
Bruce will be backQuote:
Originally Posted by SA210
I'm 99.9% sure
Damn you 0.1%
Good point. Nice stats from last season but I don't know that it can really tell how he'll do against the lakers as a Spur this season. I just hope his presence helps the team. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rayray2k8
Pop will play him as a backup PGQuote:
Originally Posted by rayray2k8
:lol Sorry about that. So worried about getting the dates right, got the team wrong. You knew what I meant, though. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
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Originally Posted by lurker23
Of course I did :toast
Yeah, it used to be that teams in the Western Conference (where there were 14 teams) played everyone in the East twice and everyone in the West four times, and the schedule worked out very nicely.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLACKJACK21
With the addition of the Charlotte Bobcats, the moving of the Hornets from the East to the West, and the realignment of divisions, both conferences now have 15 teams. This means that teams play everyone in the other conference twice, and then teams in their own conference 3 or 4 times. The teams that you only play 3 times is on a rotating basis, and is never teams in your own division.
As a side personal note, the Spurs only played the Jazz 3 times this past year, with the game that was subtracted being a Jazz home game; quite disappointing that the Spurs only came here once. I'm glad that it's guaranteed that they'll come here twice this year. :)
I sure hope so, cuz I think if he doesn't come back, our new signings don't matter if we have to play the Lakers. I would have to predict that we'd have one of those Mavs or Suns seasons from a few years ago, great the whole season, but then we'll get unraveled by the Lakers in the post season, all cuz Bruce wasn't here to cool down Kobe.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
Another horrible scenario would be if Lakers got him. Then Bruce would shutdown Manu or Jefferson too while Kobe gets what he wants. Phil would love this.
artest guards himself half the time by chucking jumpers when he has a mismatch in his favor on the low block.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210
That leaves Kobe. Mark my words.Quote:
Originally Posted by K-State Spur
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Originally Posted by SA210
Consider them marked.
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Originally Posted by K-State Spur
If MCDyess is able to cancel out Gasol, we will crush the Lakers.
I don't think people realize that Tony Parker has become a superstar this season in regards to his scoring..
yes, we'll have a tough time covering Kobe by putting RJ on him..but it won't be nearly as bad as Derek Fisher guarding Tony Parker..that's going to be disgusting..
also, Kobe doesn't play defense..I know people think he does due to his all-NBA selections, but he hasn't played defense since the early 2000s..if he has to cover Manu, which he will, he's going to get torched..did everybody miss Manu's first game vs. LA this year, where he was fresh from coming back off the injury?..he completely torched the Lakers defense, both Ariza and Kobe..anything to take Kobe's energy away is good..
Kobe also can't be stopped by one guy, it takes a team effort..so our team D has to do it..if our team D isn't great, we won't be winning a title anyways, so it doesn't matter what Kobe does..
LOL @ Artest..he's lymphoma..he can have the ball all game, anything that takes away from Kobe or Gasol is cool with me..
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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
You don't have anyone to guard Kobe or Artest. You have nobody to realistically stop Odom, Gasol, and Bynum outside of Duncan.
No defense, no rebounding, no rings. The game is won in the paint, and the Lakers completely outclass the Spurs in that regard.
Parker has never been the difference against the Lakers. We couldn't guard him in '04 or '08 and that didn't stop LA from winning both times.
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Originally Posted by DrHouse
Actually the Lakers DID guard him in 04 after the first 2 games by forcing him to shoot jumpers by clogging the lane and sagging off him by going under screens. He's become a great jump shooter now, so that strategy is out the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrHouse
The Lakers also used to let Kobe rest on D by putting him on Bowen and having him double the post in the 4th when Phil would finally decide to double Duncan. Can't do that now either with Jefferson out there. Status quo for the Lakers defensive gameplan won't cut it against the Spurs this year.
The Lakers couldn't stop Parker in '08 and still won that series despite not even having Bynum or Ariza available to play (2 starting players).Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunc n Dave
Until I see some legitimate help alongside Duncan the Spurs have no realistic chance. You aren't stopping our 3 7fters from dominating the paint and scoring easy buckets with the front court you have now. The only way to stop the Lakers is to do what BOS did, which is insanely hard to replicate.
Play Kobe with some excellent defenders (i.e. Posey) that can force him into tough shots. Clog up the paint with some scary good interior defenders (Garnett and Perkins). They took all of the Laker's weapons away from them with their defense. Can the Spurs do the same with what they have? Not likely.
And don't think you're going to beat LA in a shootout. Orlando found out the hard way. Their offense can't be matched in a 7 game series, the only way to win is on the defensive end.
You forgot to mention: no help from SternQuote:
Originally Posted by DrHouse
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Originally Posted by lefty
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Originally Posted by DrHouse
This is true. We need Bruce back, or these signings mean nothing.
It won't matter. Put an average defender on Bryant, and he'll score a bunch. Put an above average defender on him, and he'll make it up in questionable free throws.Quote:
Originally Posted by SA210
I say let him torch whoever is guarding him, don't double, don't rotate:
MAKE HIM BEAT THE ENTIRE SPURS TEAM.
He's not dropping 100 points.
Let's not be pussies here. Paker-Manu-RJ will more than hold their own against Fisher-Bryant-Artest on offense. Artest mostly just chucks up bad shots anyway. Fisher, he'll hit a few but as mentioned above absolutely no match for TP.
Suddenly we seem to have much more front-court depth than the Lakers too. If they can't resign Odom (for what, $20 million more luxury tax), the losses of Ariza and Odom actually make them worse net of the Artest signing, not better.
Yep. The Spurs have to play very good defense on the Lakers, but have to have great offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knoxxx
Finally they have the tools to do so.
Lest we forget in 2008 WCF, the offense failed, not the defense.
Odom has no where to go besides LA. Stop dreaming.
Paker, Manu, RJ with Hill, Finley, Mason off the bench? :lmao :lmao :lmao
Easily one of the worst perimeter defenses in the entire NBA. The corpse of Bruce Bowen isn't going to save you either. Kobe made Bruce his bitch in 2008, it would be even worse next year.
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Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
If you take your gay purple and gold glasses off, you will see that Manu, RJ and Hill are excellent defensive playersQuote:
Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
But all bandwagon Laker fans like you are dummies :rollin
And I wouldn't brag too much about 2008 if I were you
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Originally Posted by lefty
Manu and RJ are not excellent defensive players. Take those shit colored black and silver cock sucking glasses off.
What ?Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
Damn you really are retarded
I disagree. Manu is not Bowen, but he can more than hold his own.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
Defensive Rating
2003-04 NBA 93.1 (6)
2004-05 NBA 97.5 (6)
2005-06 NBA 98.0 (4)
2006-07 NBA 97.9 (5)
Active 97.7 (3)
Yeah, but the problem is that Gasol will use the vocal flopping tips he got from Kobe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duncan the G.O.A.T.
That shits seems to work every time
Let's do a comparison shall we?Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
Parker Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 48.1%
Fisher Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 47.1%
SG - 100% (small sample size but still hahahahahahahahaha)
Fisher has a 1% advantage
Mason Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 46.5%
SG - 50.9%
SF - 45.3%
Kobe Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 44.6%
SG - 50.3%
SF - 57.3%
Kobe has a slight advantage against PGs and SGs and sucks something raw against SFs
Manu Opponent FG% by position:
SG - 50.2%
SF - 51.4%
Vujacic Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 45.9%
SG - 48.5%
SF - 62.5%
Vujacic has the advantage against PGs and SGs but he also blows hard at guarding SFs
Jefferson Opponent FG% by position:
SG - 44.6%
SF - 47.9%
PF - 39.6%
Artest Opponent FG% by position:
SF - 45.9%
PF - 50%
Artest has a 2% advantage against SFs but gives up over 10% against PFs
Hill Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 45%
SG - 51.1%
Farmar Opponent FG% by position:
PG - 45.4%
Pretty even and Farmar can't guard SGs
Finley Opponent FG% by position:
SG - 54.7%
SF - 49.8%
PF - 43.4%
Odom Opponent FG% by position
SF - 42.9%
PF - 47.1%
Clearly Finley's sample size against PF must have been small. Odom might be your best perimeter defender and he hasn't even re-signed yet.
Great leg work!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
Thanks but I let 82games.com do most of the workQuote:
Originally Posted by poeticism707
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Originally Posted by Shastafarian
They actually lost!
They actually lost!Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore...gid=2009032608
Look how stupid you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
By the logic you are using Andrew Bynum is a better defender than Tim Duncan.
Jesus, the entire San Antonio is fan base is delusional.
Because I'm using FG% as a comparison? Why did you bold that part of my post? Are you saying Odom isn't a good perimeter defender? you laker fans should really get together and make up your minds about whether Odom can guard anyone on the floor (like so many of you say) or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
And at least I'm not a loser-douchebag who feels the need to bad mouth another team on that team's fan forum like some people I know.
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Originally Posted by SA210
Seriously. Move on.
You called Odom the best perimeter defender on the Lakers. You know nothing about basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
OppFG% is a nice and very flawed statistic. If you think you can use it to define defense then you're dumb. Plain and simple.
Heres the facts.
1) Artest guards the premier SFs better than any player in the NBA. Lebron, Pierce, Melo
2) Kobe plays lockdown man defense as good as anyone in the league when he wants to. Mainly he is used as a "roamer" during the course of the game which makes opp FG% virtually useless with him. Especially with Fisher out there.
3) Manu has never been a good defender
4) RJ use to be an ok defenderr but has been absolutely awful the past 2-3 seasons.
5) Parker lol
Spurs have absolutely nobody to guard the elite wing players of this league. You guys are completely fucked come playoff time.
You sir are a fucking douche bag.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
I said he "might" be. Learn to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
lol how is it very flawed?Quote:
OppFG% is a nice and very flawed statistic.
Explain how then master genius.Quote:
If you think you can use it to define defense then you're dumb. Plain and simple.
opinionQuote:
Heres the facts.
1) Artest guards the premier SFs better than any player in the NBA. Lebron, Pierce, Melo
I'm glad you have to say "when he wants to" when describing Kobe's defense. But please, go on.Quote:
2) Kobe plays lockdown man defense as good as anyone in the league when he wants to.
So he never plays man defense?Quote:
Mainly he is used as a "roamer" during the course of the game which makes opp FG% virtually useless with him. Especially with Fisher out there.
OpinionQuote:
3) Manu has never been a good defender
Statistics don't agree with your opinionQuote:
4) RJ use to be an ok defenderr but has been absolutely awful the past 2-3 seasons.
Fisher lolQuote:
5) Parker lol
Lakers have absolutely nobody to guard the point guards of the league. Their starting SG plays good defense "when he wants to".Quote:
Spurs have absolutely nobody to guard the elite wing players of this league.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.Quote:
You guys are completely fucked come playoff time.
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Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
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Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
im not gonna come at you swing, but i think you should give those guys a little more credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
manu isnt a great defnder, certainly not as great as kobe in terms of one on one defense. but manu is great at anticipating steals. his man to man main not be the best but he always gives 100%.
rj, i agree his defense sucked shit the last 2 seasons. but i think some of it may have to do with the fact that hes the goto scorer. since he wont be required to score 20+ a game on our team, hopefully he can focus a little more on the defensive end.
parker, im not sure if youre trying to argue that hes not a good defender, but his defense is pretty. but you would only know that if you watched him play often.
all in all the lakers are still the best and the spurs are 2nd. i think its going to be a fun year for all basketball fans.
Do you even watch basketball? Manu and Parker are great defenders. They don't give up space, they rotate very well, and Manu always picks off errant passes. Pop pulls players when they miss rotations and suck. You are totally delusional and insecure like the whole laker bandwagon. You would think if the Spurs suck so much that you wouldn't even have to address them. It's like us going to a suns board and making ourselves feel secure. Pathetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
Manu is not a great one on one defender, but he's not a liability eitehr. He's good at anticipating passes and going for steals though. Same goes for Parker, not an outstanding defender but definitely good enough. Neither of these players are a weak point in the Spur's defense. The same applies to RJ.
The problem with the Spurs is that they now have a very mediocre defense. No terrific man defenders like Bowen who can really make Kobe work and not much of a presence in the paint outside of Duncan. They have never been a team that relied on their offense but these last few seasons that's exactly what they have become. And it's the reason why they are no longer an elite team.
It's why they drafted George Hill, Jack McClinton, and DeJuan Blair. They're young yeah, but they are all potentially great defenders. Duncan and McDyess aren't too shabby either.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrHouse
You mean our resident doctor ignored the facts?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
I agree with this. Our defense has slipped, but I think it has more to do with fielding players like Finley, Bonner and Mason. I think we've improved at those positions. The biggest problem in the paint has been rebounding, and I think we improved substantially on that department also. With a young guy or two stepping up, I don't see why we can't play the elite defense we're used to.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrHouse
I'm not really concerned about players like Kobe. He is, after all, better when he passes than when he shoots. I'm more concerned about slowing down the other pieces, and I think we've improved substantially in that department.
Lakers are probably still the better team if they resign Odom. But if we work in developing our defense again and stay healthy, it's anybody's game.
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by LakerHater
No re-read, I said that they won the game he missed
Dice played in the 92-77 loss
No sorry, it's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by EricB
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Originally Posted by SA210
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Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
You want to talk about fucked up benches? How about Walton, Farmar, Vujovic, or whatever the hell is name is, and no Ariza. The Lakers will wilt late in games simply because of a lack of depth. As was said before Bryant will not drop 100 a night so some of those wusses will have to step up.
The Lakers won't either after Artest gets himself tossed from playoff games.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
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Originally Posted by J.T.
Seriously. You consider before you type such things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurstrodamus
I am not saying for a second that Parker is a defensive 1st team stalwart, but even with shortcomings, he still brings MUCH more to the table than Rondo.
Why are these Faker fans so upbeat with Artest? He's nothing more than a jumpshooting chucker whose defensed has slipped. Whether the Lakers sign Odom or not, I feel confident about what the Spurs are going to do. We've shored up our frontline and our wings have just got better. Laker fans are still not accepting that this is not the 2008 and 2009 Spurs anymore. Watch out League
What I'm going to love this season is that everyone is going to have relearn how to play us. Last season we were basically the same team that other teams already understood how to play against, while we were still trying to figure ourselves out because of injuries. We beat the Lakers in regular season (don't pull the "regular season lol" card), and now our team has vastly improved. The Lakers will potentially be worse than last year. Things are looking pretty damn good for us now. . . .
You're right, my bad I read that wrong!!Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
...so sorry!
Anyway, yeah they actually waon the game he missed but lost the game he played!
These stats don't hold much value now, imo.
BTW, has anybody seen Artest since he joined LA? LOL..he's all over the place, trying to make deals for reality shows, drinking everywhere, smoking cigars everywhere, starstruck..he looks like he gained even more weight, even after he was looking a little too big last year with Houston..
I can't wait to see him on the court..
Won't be long before Tia Tequila has him on her reality show.
and he beats the hell out of her.
At least we don't have to see this anymore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DWjQFaZ_AI&NR=1
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Originally Posted by LakerHater
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Originally Posted by SA210
Are you Bruce Bowen??
:lol dude us men here in texas where black and white, while your la team has wnba colors purple and gold? first of all your black momba lol is scared of ginobili he said it himself in the documentary, he has also stated that ginobili is his fav player to watch , and ive never heard manu say the same whos owning who here? you punk bitches from la should kept the 9o's riotes going, it would of really helped clean the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by 21_Blessings
LMAO at Artest guarding the elite SF's better than anyone else. Did you not watch him this year? He was murdered by all the elite SF's. He does ok if they try and go down low, but on the perimeter, the guys with speed and skill (Pierce, Lebron, Melo...) will all murder Artest.
His perimeter defense/lateral quickness has evaporated. His days of being a lock down defender are out of the window. He is still a decent defender because he focuses and tries, especially down low, but overall he has seen his best days.
Impossible. He's even better than Kobe at this point! Maybe the second best player of ALL TIME.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Artest is still very much an elite defender. His post defense is almost unmatched by any SF not named Lebron James. He is absolutely immovable on the block, which makes him perfect to guard SF's like Pierce and Melo. He certainly did not get burned by the elite SF's last season, he more than held his own. Most importantly, he did a better job than Ariza.
So what if he can't guard PG's or SG's. The Lakers don't need him to. We still have Kobe and Shannon Brown for that.
Who do you have Spur fan? Bruce Bowen is long gone.
I want Bruce back..........as an assistant coach. Bruce is done, he can't defend anymore and he's not hitting his 3s.
Fail. Lebron/Pierce/Melo will eat him alive. He is not even close to an elite defender. Yes, on the low block he is very good, but to be an "elite" defender, you must be able to guard a couple positions and your own on the perimeter.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrHouse
Same thing with Artest vs Kobe. Kobe was being stubborn and trying to post Artest up and it was difficult. He realized this then started catching the ball up top and just absolutely torched Artest.
Melo/Pierce/Bron are all going to do the same thing. They will break Artest down and cause the defense to collapse.
RJ is a great defender. When he was in NJ he was their best perimeter defender. LAst season he needed to score, and his team was not going no where, now he has another chance for a ring in a defensive team. I know that we are going to see a defensive minded RJ this season.