cheney doth protest too much.

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07-12-2009
antimvp

cheney doth protest too much.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/...ef=mpstoryview

what a loser.
07-12-2009
Wild Cobra

Re: cheney doth protest too much.

What's the problem?

You don't give classified information to a group of people who habitually leak stuff!

I say good going Cheney.
07-12-2009
ElNono

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Except for the part where the VP has no authority whatsoever to tell the CIA not to fulfill their duties with Congress?
07-12-2009
Wild Cobra

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Except for the part where the VP has no authority whatsoever to tell the CIA not to fulfill their duties with Congress?

He can suggest, and they can make up their own mind.

I was just commenting without knowing all the facts. I do know that the democrats leak too secret information. I don't know who, but they care about the politics of destruction more than this nation.
07-12-2009
exstatic

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Except for the part where the VP has no authority whatsoever to tell the CIA not to fulfill their duties with Congress?

Since when has that EVER stopped Dick?
07-12-2009
FromWayDowntown

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Except for the part where the VP has no authority whatsoever to tell the CIA not to fulfill their duties with Congress?

It's an interesting conflict of interest, really, since the Vice President is both an Article I and an Article II actor.
07-12-2009
ElNono

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

It's an interesting conflict of interest, really, since the Vice President is both an Article I and an Article II actor.

I'm sure you can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the intelligence agencies have, at the very least, inform the G8 on the congressional intelligence commission about their programs.
I don't believe the assigned duties under Article II for the VP trumps or even hint at having any authority over that.
07-12-2009
ElNono

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

He can suggest, and they can make up their own mind.

I don't think this is accurate at all. My understanding is that they're under obligation.
07-12-2009
sook

Re: cheney doth protest too much.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

What's the problem?

You don't give classified information to a group of people who habitually leak stuff!

I say good going Cheney.

Congress is on a need to know basis at all times, anything otherwise is defying the constitution
07-12-2009
sook

Re: cheney doth protest too much.

WC, you seriously can't support Dick on this.

It wasn't even bush who was crooked, it was this guy all along.
07-12-2009
Cant_Be_Faded

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This guy basically did whatever he wanted for 4 or 5 straight years. No surprises here. I hope he burns in hell.
07-12-2009
Wild Cobra

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Originally Posted by sook

WC, you seriously can't support Dick on this.

It wasn't even bush who was crooked, it was this guy all along.

Say what you will. Show me some real evidence rather than this bullshit propaganda by republican haters. Till then, I will make remarks to piss you Kool-Aid drinking Lemmings off.

You guys buy off on this partisan propaganda, hook line and sinker.

Guess what. Congress likely was notified, but only the members on the right committees who had both the clearance and need to know. Such people will not be talking about it to disprove it wasn't talked about.

Learn a bit about national security practices before you repeat other people lies.

Prove me wrong.
07-12-2009
George Gervin's Afro

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Originally Posted by Cant_Be_Faded

This guy basically did whatever he wanted for 4 or 5 straight years. No surprises here. I hope he burns in hell.

you spiteful man.
07-12-2009
ElNono

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Guess what. Congress likely was notified, but only the members on the righ committees who had both the clearance and need to know. Such people will not be talking about it to disprove it wasn't talked about.

Learn a bit about national security before you repeat other people lies.

Prove me wrong.

Would you like a quote from the head of the CIA?

The only reason this is news is because not even the 'gang of 8' were informed.
Please do a little more research before you come out swinging the partisan card.
07-12-2009
Wild Cobra

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Would you like a quote from the head of the CIA?

The only reason this is news is because not even the 'gang of 8' were informed.
Please do a little more research before you come out swinging the partisan card.

I read that. I said likely, and if it was classified deep enough, they will deny it.
07-12-2009
Wild Cobra

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You have to remember. The gang of 8 aren't even suppose to acknowledge what they know. Now here's the members:

* Nancy Pelosi (D), Speaker of the United States House of Representatives
* John Boehner (R), House Minority Leader
* Harry Reid (D), Senate Majority Leader
* Mitch McConnell (R), Senate Minority Leader
* Silvestre Reyes (D), Chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
* Peter Hoekstra (R), Ranking Member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
* Dianne Feinstein (D), Chair of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
* Kit Bond (R), Ranking Member of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

Now I can see a scenario where, by executive privileged, the office of the president decided not to inform them. Quite frankly, looking at the names of some of them, I wouldn't tell them anything I want kept a secret.

Besides, the law is another one that is unenforceable. It's another law that presumes it can supersede the president's powers.

I don't really care what the truth is. I find it sad that so many people choose to use this for a reason to hate. I pity you guys when you choose to ignore the truth about the separation of powers in favor of Bush Bashing.

Again, you guys are pitiful.
07-12-2009
ElNono

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I don't really care what the truth is.
...
Again, you guys are pitiful.

We know what your stance is. You didn't need to make such a long post to rehash that partisan hackery is more important than the actual truth.
Just write 'I hate the Democrats' and you'll save yourself and us some time.

You have just turned into such a bitter partisan hack lately, it's difficult to take you seriously anymore.
07-12-2009
Wild Cobra

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Originally Posted by ElNono

We know what your stance is. You didn't need to make such a long post to rehash that partisan hackery is more important than the actual truth.
Just write 'I hate the Democrats' and you'll save yourself and us some time.

You have just turned into such a bitter partisan hack lately, it's difficult to take you seriously anymore.

Yes, I hate democrats. Still, learn a bit about National Security practices before you support probable lies. Also understand the the executive office must abide by the constitution, but not laws passed by congress.

I really get tired of you guys demonizing the republicans over the wrong reasons. Really makes you guys look dumb. Especially since there are so many valid reason to demonize them over.
07-12-2009
jman3000

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I really get tired of you guys demonizing the republicans over the wrong reasons. Really makes you guys look dumb. Especially since there are so many valid reason to demonize them over.

:lmao

"Elevator eyes! ELEVATOR EYES!
07-12-2009
Wild Cobra

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Originally Posted by jman3000

:lmao

"Elevator eyes! ELEVATOR EYES!

Wrong thread.
07-12-2009
jman3000

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You've turned into a slightly more literate version of ducks.

Congrats.
07-12-2009
ElNono

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Yes, I hate democrats. Still, learn a bit about National Security practices before you support probable lies. Also understand the the executive office must abide by the constitution, but not laws passed by congress.

Opinion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

I really get tired of you guys demonizing the republicans over the wrong reasons. Really makes you guys look dumb. Especially since there are so many valid reason to demonize them over.

Democrats bad. Republicans good.
07-13-2009
LnGrrrR

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Yes, I hate democrats. Still, learn a bit about National Security practices before you support probable lies. Also understand the the executive office must abide by the constitution, but not laws passed by congress.

So, given your understanding of the separation of powers, the president could theoretically kill someone with impunity, correct? I don't think murder is listed in the Constitution, after all. :)
07-13-2009
George Gervin's Afro

Re: cheney doth protest too much.

For Republicans a president can do what ever he wants, unless of course it is Democrat.
07-13-2009
coyotes_geek

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

For Republicans a president can do what ever he wants, unless of course it is Democrat.

As opposed to democrats who think what exactly???

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