I agree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
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I agree 100%Quote:
Originally Posted by honestfool84
I know who 2pac is, but we have never met IRL. I think we both got kicked off a SR around the same time and I signed up as 50 cent, so he signed up as 2pac. We do chat occasionally about random basketball topics.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
We didn't collaborate to come up with any idea to post a thread. I posted something, he later added something else that he thought of.
Isn't that what we do here?
sure thing mr honkey soccerQuote:
Originally Posted by 2pac
I wasn't criticizing the method of attack. The topic, though, has been rehashed to the point it wasn't going to have Lamar Odoem type success.Quote:
Originally Posted by 50 cent
Are you actually laughing? ur little smiley guy isn't laughing. :lol mine is. Also, how can we tell which is the last laugh? this could go on forever! How ridiculous!Quote:
Originally Posted by 2pac
He was a 28th pick. The percentages on getting even a rotation player at that point in the draft are very low. And plenty of other teams apparently didn't see David Lee developing like he has, either. You can't make all the right picks every draft. That said, I think we can evaluate Mahinmi's "bust" status at the conclusion of this year - it's make or break with the lux tax implications for keeping him around.
Ian looked real good yesterday running the floor, it was nice to see a guy as big as him move on the floor. He is obviously much taller than everyone else on video. I agree we are hoping that David walks through the door, but David was 24 when he first came out of the tunnel donning a spurs jersey. I doubt Ian ends up like David. He didn't seem to have a very killer instinct yesterday. He grabs an O board then puts up this weak lay up. It would be nice to see a two handed tomahawk throw down. At the very least I think he is going to contribute this year. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't remember Elson being anywhere near as athletic as Ian.
Do you understand the concept of a player being a "bust?" He was the 28th pick in the draft.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2pac
Players that are picked that late in the draft and end up being solid NBA contributors are the exception...not the rule.
Ian was drafted to be a project player and you're calling him a bust ......because he's a developing project player.
Nor did I intend for it to have that much "success".Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
In fact, I'm a little suprised at the rate of responses.
This Ian thing is just something that has been on my mind for a while and I wanted to see if others felt the same way or if I was off base. It seems to be a little of both.
It's a little slow in the sports world these days...Quote:
Originally Posted by 50 cent
Injuries aside, I wonder if the Spurs ever considered hiring Ian a big man tutor like LA did in having Kareem mentor Bynum? He does seem to have the potential. Maybe if he does make the team and signs a long-term deal, they could consider some one-on-one tutoring. DRob would be great but he probably couldn't spare the time. maybe Hakeem is available?
:lol a little of both he says! There's like two dudes here that agree with u. And one is ur brother!Quote:
Originally Posted by 50 cent
dude they got duncanQuote:
Originally Posted by raspsa
maybe they could pay david robinson also to tutor
What type of success did the Odom thread have? I don't know if I ever came back to the topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
why not..
I very well understand what a bust is. It is a failure. The opposite would be a success.Quote:
Originally Posted by __JaG__
And over that project, we have 4 years in and we have reaped zero rewards from those four years. He has been a failure of a project. He has produced nothing but some nice DLeague numbers.
Here are all the DLeague Award winners:
ost Valuable Player
2001–2002 Ansu Sesay, Greenville Groove
2002–2003 Devin Brown, Fayetteville Patriots
2003–2004 Tierre Brown, Charleston Lowgators
2004–2005 Matt Carroll, Roanoke Dazzle
2005–2006 Marcus Fizer, Austin Toros
2006–2007 Randy Livingston, Idaho Stampede
2007–2008 Kasib Powell, Sioux Falls Skyforce
2008–2009 Courtney Sims, Iowa Energy
[edit]All-Star Game MVP
2006–2007 Pops Mensah-Bonsu, Fort Worth Flyers
2007–2008 Jeremy Richardson Fort Wayne Mad Ants
2008–2009 Blake Ahearn, Dakota Wizards and Courtney Sims, Iowa Energy
[edit]Rookie of the Year
2001–2002 Fred House, North Charleston Lowgators
2002–2003 Devin Brown, Fayetteville Patriots
2003–2004 Desmond Penigar, Asheville Altitude
2004–2005 James Thomas, Roanoke Dazzle
2005–2006 Will Bynum, Roanoke Dazzle
2006–2007 Louis Amundson, Colorado 14ers
2007–2008 Blake Ahearn, Dakota Wizards
2008–2009 Othyus Jeffers, Iowa Energy
[edit]Defensive Player of the Year
2001–2002 Jeff Myers, Greenville Groove
2002–2003 Mikki Moore, Roanoke Dazzle
2003–2004 Karim Shabazz, Charleston Lowgators
2004–2005 Derrick Zimmerman, Columbus Riverdragons
2005–2006 Derrick Zimmerman, Austin Toros
2006–2007 Renaldo Major, Dakota Wizards
2007–2008 Mouhamed Sene, Idaho Stampede and Stephane Lasme, Los Angeles D-Fenders
2008–2009 Brent Petway, Idaho Stampede
[edit]Impact Player of the Year
2007–2008 Morris Almond, Utah Flash
2008–2009 Eddie Gill, Colorado 14ers
Not a lot of rotation players in there, is there?
Ian Mahinmi has not been a success by any stretch of the imagination. His project has reap zilch. That is a failure. Or a bust if you prefer.
I don't know where you draw the line for production between bust and success over the first four years of a low first round pick's career, but I would assume that even the last pick of the first round should be counted onto score at least 6 points and grab two rebounds per year after he is drafted.
But again, I want Ian to succeed more than anyone. We need him.
That is not fair, because even though most of the award winners are not full on rotation players, there have been a nice handful of rotation players who spent time in the D-League.
This thread is a bigger failure than Ian.
Those stats do beg the question though: Does the NBDL even do anything to help NBA players take the step to contributing in the real NBA?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
We haven't seen it yet. :depressed
Except we have. One just needs to look.
Almost every player drafted outside the lottery is a bust. Big deal. Even a big chunk of lotto talent end up being busts.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2pac
Not to mention he isn't a bust yet.
Also, no one knew Lee was going to be great, so just stuff the 20/20 hindsight talk. All the draft reports from that time period show that he had major weaknesses, nothing guaranteed, just another prospect.
No you dont.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2pac
Yes it does. I can name plenty of players who are doing well in the NBA. It might not have produced franchise players, but that is not the point and you would be foolish to expect this.Quote:
Originally Posted by 50 cent
:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
LMAO, I almost spit on my screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper