3 years, 2.7M according to hoopshype.com
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3 years, 2.7M according to hoopshype.com
http://twitter.com/hoopshype/status/2668570857
Good deal for Blair and the Spurs. I thought the 3rd year would be an option.
How dare you not read the entire thread!! :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by FireDavidStern
Thank you. He is really worth far more than the money given.Quote:
Originally Posted by meestahmeestah
Good contract. Not completely out of whack with what other high 2nd round picks have been getting, yet still a little extra as recognition that he should have been drafted a lot higher than he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by meestahmeestah
Good, now he can focus on beasting.
Nice. Now go hit the boards!
(I split this out from the other thread because that thread was trashed.)
Yeah, this is right in line with the contract numbers I was hearing yesterday. This is closer to the higher number that was being offered so I'm guessing the third year is a team option. The player option contract was closer to $2.2-2.3M.
I like this deal for the Spurs and for Blair :tu
Great deal.
And no surprise it got done quickly. Hope this turns into one of those...Man, the Spurs have done wonders in the draft...type of stories.
Seems like a solid deal. Initially, Blair will get good money for being an unproven rookie and 2nd round pick. Eventually, the Spurs will be the ones getting the deal if he pans out.
Thank the Lord! I can move those candles from my "Blair contract" shrine, back to my altar for St. Roch, patron saint of knee problems. He's going to be working over time this season.
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Originally Posted by spurs_fan_in_exile
Omg that cracked me up :lmao.
Obviously the Spurs were prepared to give Blair a bigger than the min contract right from the start.I wonder, since they had to get the money from the MLE, could this be the stumbling block in the Sheed deal, assuming Sheed's been their No.1 priority over Dice.
Great to hear. Now Blair can get back to work in cleaning that glass and making all the teams that passed on him to cringe. I can imagine the conversations of the other GMs, "Of all the teams he had to fall to, not the damn Spurs!"
Lets hope he has a good healthy 3 years of domination.
If this is what was required to sign him and Dice, then I am glad we did not get Sheed.
Well he got more than he would have if he went by the scale for that pick. That being said, I completely agree that he is worth more than that paultry rate. Welcome to SA officially. :lobt:
Rookie scale for the 30th pick comes to $2.657M. Allow for rounding, and that's $2.7M. That's what I've been expecting them to give him. I would guess that it's structured like the scale, too, with the third year being team option.
It allows for some dignity for Blair, along with the financial security. Considering the Spurs are into the Lux Tax, it's a pretty sizable investment. I think he's worth it, and now the Spurs have said they think so, too.
There is no scale for 2nd round picks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCerebral1
My bad, I'm thinking of the curve for the MLB draft. :bangQuote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
I, for one, still question Blair's motives. Why was he in such a rush to sign a contract? Maybe because HE'S ALREADY HURT and NO ONE knows!?
Blair is CLEARLY a SELFISH player and I for one will not tolerate it!
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:lol
/couldn't resist
Now officially a Spur bitches!
It's all good. The important thing is that the Spurs now have a tremendous young talent locked up for 3 years on a contract that should end up looking like an incredible bargain some time down the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheCerebral1
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Originally Posted by spurs_fan_in_exile
I am ecstatic that the deal is done, but I thought that Bruno and others stated that there was no possible way to offer a third year (even at an option). I feel much better knowing that we have him for at least three years.
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Originally Posted by BG_Spurs_Fan
I keep hearing that the Spurs retained some of the MLE, but I don't see any evidence of it. One of the sites that is usually pretty good about listing transactions, and amounts shows McD's contract as being 3 years, and $18.9M. That would be the full MLE this year, with 8% raises each of the two following years. The third year may be only partially guaranteed, which would make it somewhat less than that, if he only plays the two years. But nothing I have seen indicates he is getting less than the full MLE this season. http://www.prosportstransactions.com...&submit=Search
Blair getting 3 years at more than league minimum is proof positive that the Spurs had some MLE left over. There's only 4 ways you can add 2nd round draft picks to your team.
1. Cap room, which we know the Spurs did not have.
2. Minimum salary exception, which we know the Spurs did not use because Blair got more than the minimum.
3. The LLE, which can only be 2 years in length.
4. The MLE.
watching blair in g1 of the sl was enough to convince me.
http://tinyurl.com/slg1p1
http://tinyurl.com/slg1p2
I haven't seen any concrete info on the matter as well, but the only way we could offer Blair a 3yr/$2.7mil contract would be using money from the MLE, we can't offer more than 2 years if we're using money from LLE and his deal is clearly more than the min contract ( which can also be 2 years max ).Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
I can see the scenario going like this. Prior to the draft the Spurs are prepared to hit the free agency hard going after someone, presumably Sheed, with their full MLE. Sheed's agent, of course, is interested but nothing official can be said or done until July 1st. On draft night Blair falls to the Spurs, they quickly realize he's a steal and would be worth/would demand more than the min, so they decide the best way to keep him would be by locking him on a 3yr deal, using MLE money, instead of 2 yrs using LLE. Contract offer to Sheed is not for the full MLE, unlike offers from other teams, thus Sheed's agent comes up with his infamous quote that the Spurs have to do 'something'. We wonder what that something could be and assume it's the 3rd year, because we think we're offering the whole MLE,like everyone else, while in fact we're not. Then the Spurs decide to go after Dice and keep both Dice and Blair and Sheed comes up with a stupid quote from his press conf. about the Spurs offer.
I didn't say I understand what they've done, just that there is nothing to indicate that McDyess got less than the full MLE for this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
We have seemingly conflicting reports. One shows McDyess with the full MLE for 3 years, and another shows Blair with a 3-year deal. I can't see any way that both of those can be true.
So when does his Jersey come out then?
man yall missed out on his debut if you didn't catch it. :)
yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
pretty soon. i already got my #24 jefferson yesterday from FEDEX. blair next:toastQuote:
Originally Posted by SpursFan8179
At the presser, whenever that is :downspin:Quote:
Originally Posted by SpursFan8179
lol, im sure more than a few teams have had that thought since the draft. I recall how fast the Spurs got the pick in on draft night, the nba guy had barely finished calling out the previous pick's name, let alone walk off the stage and the Spurs had already phoned it in. That had to have gotten the attention of some other teams, you could tell the Spurs were elated to get him.Quote:
Originally Posted by silverblackfan
Grizzly Blair FTW!
Here's what I think the Spurs did. A 3 year deal starting at full MLE, totalling $15 mil with a partial guaranteed 3yrd year would look like this.:Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
Yr 1 - $5.854
Yr 2 - $6.322
Yr 3 - $2.824 (the guaranteed portion only)
Total - $15.000
But the Spurs could have told Dyess they needed to save some of that MLE for Blair and then offered him a 3 year deal starting at something less than the MLE that would still net him the $15 mil over the 3 years. That would look like this:
Yr 1 - $4.630
Yr 2 - $5.000
Yr 3 - $5.370
Total - $15.000
This would save the Spurs around $1.2 mil of their MLE and guarantee Dyess his $15 mil, but Dyess would be taking a hit in years 1 and 2. However the CBA allows teams to take 20% of the contract value and pay that in the first year as a signing bonus. I won't get into all the mumbo jumbo on how all that works but you can read about it here. http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q62
What it ends up working out to is that Dyess would actually be cashing checks as follows.:
Yr 1 - $6.630
Yr 2 - $4.000
Yr 3 - $4.370
Total - $15.000
Even though Dyess would end up recieving more money in the 1st year than the actual MLE, it works because the CBA states that a player's cap figure is equal to the amount he earns, not the amount he gets paid. There's a distinction here because Dyess is in essence getting paid money in the 1st year that he hasn't actually earned yet. But he doesn't care and the Spurs are okay with it because it allows them to save some of their MLE. It's win-win. This couldn't have happened without Dyess agreeing to it so we owe him our thanks.
Hells yeah. Blair will be paid well in 2012 as $30 million comes off the cap.
Of course, $22 mil of that will be TD. :depressed
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Originally Posted by spursbird
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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
I donīt even want to ask how much time you have spent reading the NBA rules / CAP / CBA... :lol
More than most, less than some. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by MB20
And you are only limited to 2 years with the minimum salary exception.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
He deserved more money than Bonner though :wakeup
$2.7M/3 years is a damn great deal for Spurs. The key with Blair was to lock him under a cheap contract for the longest time possible. 3 years is the perfect length for Spurs.
Brilliant deductive work.
C.S.I coyotes_geek (cool salary-cap info)
And why wouldn't Dice agree to that deal? He gets more money up front. He should actually thank Blair. The need to do Blair's contract forced the Spurs to pay Dice more up front money!
One forward thinking front office. Holt brought out the checkbook this year.
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Timmy being the great leader that he is, will choose sign for a minimum contract.....I hope..Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
so a team's cap number isn't what gets reported on Hoopshype or the like right? I thought I read that the cap hit is the average salary/year over the life of the contract and not the increasing figure.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
so you wouldn't happen to know what the Spurs' actual cap # is would you?
jesus, CG, most people can't even differentiate between cap and lux tax threshold. I fear you just blew some peoples cerebellar.:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
btw. what about this:
Dice got 5 million straight, which would leave 850K of the MLE.
considering the allowed pay rise Blair could get 850 + 920 + 990, this sums up to slightly above the reported 2.7M.
(Dice could get 5.0+5.4+5.8 = 16.2 million)
Happy should be extremely Happy with that deal.
Good deal for both sides. Pretty obvious that if the details of the contract are accurate, that the Spurs had some MLE money leftover.
That only works if the third year is fully guaranteed, but it's the only scenario that makes sense. Which means the report on prosportstransactions is just wrong. It happens, I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
There's no reason McDyess wouldn't have agreed to getting a bigger chunk of the money up front. It's worth more to him, just on the time value of the money. It's probably better to say that he owes Blair his thanks.
If that's all correct, a fully guaranteed third year is going to cost the team down the road, though. Assuming he really only intends to play 2 more seasons, as has been reported, that partially guaranteed third would have made him more of a trade asset. Fully guaranteed, no team can trade for him and then cut him to clear half the salary. And he won't be taking a buyout, because he won't be able to make up the money by playing somewhere else. This is turning out to be one hell of an expensive season.
I hope Blair appreciates getting a championship ring in his rookie season.
The salaries that show up on the websites are the cap numbers and the cap hit is not just an average.Quote:
Originally Posted by vander
Not sure what the Spurs actual cap number is yet.
That's another scenario that works. And you're right that it does match up nicely with what Blair is rumored to be getting.Quote:
Originally Posted by mountainballer
oh darn, I thought perhaps we were actually under the tax yetQuote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
Well, you just proved the latter portion of your username. :lol Props. :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
Good deal indeed.
Really this year the Spurs FO deserve huge props, everything is being done good and fast. We're blessed to be spurs fans ! Look at the mess for other major teams: mavs rapped by Orlando, LA in trouble with Odom, Portland going nowhere, Heat under pressure to find quickly a decent supporting cast for Wade, Suns being the suns...
So far the fastest smoothest successful off season spurs, celts and magic, the rest is on mess mode.
I believe he'll be choosing retirement at that point.Quote:
Originally Posted by peacemaker885
Ditto for Manu.
:depressed
It depends if they win one or two more b4 retirement...Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
I think that if they win one more or two... they may go for a third with TP as "the man" :)
TD off the bench 10 min big and Manu spot up shooter 5 min off the bench too.... :wow
barring career ending injury, i bet TD plays into his late 30s...i'll say 38-39.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
And beasting he shall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muser
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Originally Posted by koriwhat
thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:toast
Sweet deal. :tu
Now let's get this season started already.
good news!
Manu maybe. It will be difficult to play as hard as he does and have a long career. However, I think Timmy can play (depending on his health) in an incrementally decreased role for another 5 years or so. I would like to see TD have a Abdul-Jabbar like career.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Thanks for the links!Quote:
Originally Posted by koriwhat
After we sign Dwight Howard in 2012 they'll stick around. :stirpot:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
I wouldn't be surprised if we see Manu becoming more of a shooter. He's already said that he wants to play for a few more years and that he's going to be working more on his shooting and mid range shots so that he can do it.Quote:
Manu maybe. It will be difficult to play as hard as he does and have a long career. However, I think Timmy can play (depending on his health) in an incrementally decreased role for another 5 years or so. I would like to see TD have a Abdul-Jabbar like career.
:hat
Good.
Love your signature!Quote:
Originally Posted by SonOfAGun
I agree. They'll probably ride together into the sunset... :married:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
:lol
good for Dejuan, how comparable is that salary to late first rounders?
so is he playin next SL game?
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Originally Posted by Libri
no problem. look for me soon in other threads! :kingQuote:
Originally Posted by xmr210x
Now that we have invested in him, I think of 'saving' him for the real thing....Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Spurs get Blair under contract
By Jeff McDonald
DeJuan Blair is ready to return to summer league action.
The Spurs have come to contract terms with Blair, the No. 37 overall pick in the June draft. Blair announced the completion of the deal on a televised interview with ESPN this morning. Spurs general manager R.C. Buford has confirmed the news.
The Spurs held Blair out of Tuesday's summer-league victory over Denver, in part to tie up loose ends in contract negotiations.
According to this report, Blair's deal is guaranteed for three years at a total of $2.7 million. If that is accurate, the Spurs will have given Blair a portion of their mid-level exception, meaning that contrary to previous reports, they did not give their full MLE to recent free-agent signee Antonio McDyess.
At any rate, Blair is expected to sign his deal sometime before 5:30 Las Vegas time, when the Spurs tip off their next summer league game against Oklahoma City.
It's feels good to sign and b a spur I am excited GO SPURS LOL!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by duncan228
-Dejuan Blair via Twitter
http://twitter.com/dejuan45
Great job CG!Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
Blair is the shit
Damn right he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Cant.
Wait.
:hungry:
Somebody tell Blair that's not how you're supposed to do that chant. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DMX7
GO SPURS L O L
I can see it working.
Good luck getting the fans to do anything out loud :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by EricB
Nice, that is a fair deal.
They're loud when the games mean something.Quote:
Originally Posted by tp2021
I can't say I'm loud in the middle of November against the Memphis Grizzlies.
Official release
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/090716_blair.html
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Don't quote me on this because these numbers are third hand from an agent but he says the numbers he has heard for McDyess' contract are as followed:
If those numbers are accurate, which I have no idea if they are or not, that's a hell of deal for McDyess :wowQuote:
2009-10: $4,510,000
2010-11: $4,690,000
2011-12: $2,500,000
With the third year having another $2,500,000 in unguaranteed money.
Wow. If that's true that's only $11.7 guaranteed. Full MLE is $5.85. Looks like the Spurs just pony up 2 years worth of full MLE money but get to spread it out over 3 years.
The reason why they signed him so quick is if you noticed he did not play the 2nd game in the Summer League. He advised the Spurs he would not play again until his contract was finalized.
I haven't checked the CBA but do you know if teams are allowed to change the growth percentage in the contract like that? In that supposed McDyess contract, the raise from the first year to the second year is smaller than the second year to the third year.Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
and if they trade him in year 3 in offseason do not even have to pay the 2full mle to himQuote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
False. The Spurs and his agent were close to a deal before the game and the Spurs decided to move up his rest day since he had to have another physical before signing his deal. Blair wasn't aware he wasn't going to play until right before the tip.Quote:
Originally Posted by CHRIS7013
I haven't checked either but I'm pretty sure you can so long as you're not exceeding the 8% jump between any two seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
We don't know if we have the real numbers or not, but hyothetically if the Spurs got Dice and Blair for great prices, could they split the MLE three ways if there was still something left?
No it is true..........
Spurs Sit DeJuan Blair in Summer League
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Posted: 7/15/2009 5:55:00 AM
Blair, a second-round pick out of Pittsburgh, was held for contractual reasons. As in, he doesn't have one, and doesn't want to risk injury until he does.
Depends how Blair's contract is structured (I'm trying to find that out now). But even in the best case scenarios, there's barely anymore room.Quote:
Originally Posted by zepn
link?Quote:
Originally Posted by CHRIS7013
:lol Alright, believe what you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by CHRIS7013
Roughly, Blair's contract starts with a $835K salary for 2009-10 if it's "normal" (max raises each year). Combined with McDyess' rumored salary, that would be a combined $5.345 mil. So the Spurs would have something like $555K left over out of the MLE.