Lamar Odom is gonna sign him Miami.
Spurs related how? Lakers are weakened.
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Lamar Odom is gonna sign him Miami.
Spurs related how? Lakers are weakened.
drama-queen
Uhhh, that rumors been out of the bag for a little while now.
Does your little "birdie" wear a band aid under his eye and go "tweet"?Quote:
Originally Posted by EricB
why though? ofcousre, im not rooting for him to stay in LA but it just makes no sense to me.
Because Miami has to put some talent around D-Wade, or they're going to lose him. He's made that very clear, and I can't say that I totally blame him. Losing Wade would be an utter freaking disaster for them. They don't really have a choice about spending to get some players in place. Odom is one of the better players left. They're going to throw money at him, and he gets to live near a beach. It's almost a no-brainer.Quote:
Originally Posted by angelbelow
Sorry, my post was alittle unclear. What I meant was why would Odom leave for less money when he got offered more money from a team that just won a championship with him. Now, I know that the offer has been pulled but if they lowered the price to 6 million that would still be more than the MLE.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4328376
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Yet it's believed that Odom has indeed received offers from the Miami Heat and Dallas Mavericks that -- because neither Florida nor Texas imposes state taxes -- are not as far away in value from the Lakers' presentation as it would seem.
Odom would have the ability with either the Heat or the Mavericks to sign a three-year, $19 million contract and negotiate a new deal with full Larry Bird rights in the summer of 2012 or take a five-year deal worth $34 million to bank more overall money, along with the state-tax benefits, than he could in a new three-year deal with the Lakers.
Without Odom in a Lakers jersey, health is the main obstacle between the Spurs and another Finals appearance.
Fair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man In Black
it's always been health. this spurs team can match up with any other championship contender. lakers keeping odom makes no difference as long as the spurs stay healthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by z0sa
Miami...beach, babes, and no Bryant.
What's not to like for Lamar?
True, yet without Odom LA is a second tier team. They may enjoy a fool's gold regular season run with Kobe playing at a high level, but it won't matter come playoff time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 024
And they're the only team, with Odom, talented enough to outplay us matchup for matchup.
allways thougth LA has a beach and babes too?Quote:
Originally Posted by Baseline
stupid me!
(and for 3 more millions a year, I would even play with that mentioned Kobe-guy)
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Originally Posted by z0sa
Bynum
Gasol
Artest
Kobe
...+ whatever...
thats not second tier!!! (to me second tier doesn't mean, that the team is the second or third best in the league)
even though I have to admit, that I would fav us in a 7 game series (which I'm not doing with Odom on board)
Sorry - misunderstood. But MIB's answer is dead on. The net values of the two deals are not that far apart. Before that, I think Odom (and his agent) really believed that he was going to get $10M a year from someone. I'm not really sure who they thought that would be, but they seemed convinced.Quote:
Originally Posted by angelbelow
You also have to wonder of there's any truth to the stories that he'd just as soon not play with Kobe. Or maybe he felt like Artest would be cutting into his minutes? Whatever the reason, I never got the feeling that he was looking for a way to stay in L.A.
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Originally Posted by mudyez
Artest and especially Bynum are overrated. Bynum averaged a paltry 6/4 these playoffs. Artest choked throughout the last half of the Rockets series with LA. His defense against big players doesn't matter much, as we have no perimeter player whose size is even comparable to a Pierce or LeBron.
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Originally Posted by z0sa
When Artest is on his meds, he is a complete badass. You can talk all you want about the baggage he brings, but he got game. Don't even pretend like he doesn't. I think he's a distraction to his team, but damnation he can play ball.
Will need Bynum to really pick it up and perform in the playoffs. Will need bench players who were not good last year - Walton, Vujacic - to turn it around. Need no extended time missed for any reason.
I'm not going to say who is weak no matter what
What makes you think LA will be done getting players? Or they can't work out a sign and trade deal?Quote:
Originally Posted by z0sa
I don't put anything past LA doing what it takes to upgrade their talent until the offseason is over.
Agree Artest is strong on both ends of the court.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
Without Odom the Lakers 2nd unit isn't very impressive and that means big minutes for the starters....
PG- Farmar/Brown
SG- Sasha/ Sun Yue
SF-???????? Morrison?
PF= Luke Walton/Powell
C- Mbenga/Powell
Yea we all know the offers the two teams can make. I mean i just don't see it happening. Odom wanted to push for more but no one can come up with more than what the heat can show and it looks like heat are also lookin at booz, and the blazers are lookin at millsap. IDK, just not buying it. I'd still be surprised to see odom leave. If he does that's just great. The lakes bench is complete shit if he goes. And unlike what someone said, they really can't do anything else significant. They are already over the cap, used mle on artest, whoever they would bring in would be someone left of the cheaper end FA's which is no one near odoms level. I hope he bolts but just doesn't make sense salary wise. If he does though any laker fan who says they would rather have artest over ariza plus odom is lying to themselves. Odom would be a huge loss whether lakes fans want to admit it or not. And I do agree with another poster, if he leaves, all that stands in the way of the spurs finals appearence next year is injuries and maybe a mavs team that clicks Very very very well, ha, chances are that won't happen. We will see how it plays out, just don't want yall do get hopes up he'll leave cuz numbers just aren't making sense to me why he would.
Is this the same little birdie that fed you all that speculation that Ginobili had a 'phantom' injury last season?
i disagree with the sentiment that LA is second tier, but Artest is not a complete "badass". he wasn't very good offensively last year and his defense has decline quite a bit in recent years.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
he's still a very nice role player and will be an upgrade over Ariza if he fits himself into the system (i.e. doesn't shoot the ball 15 times/game - which he's always done) - but that's far from a given.
Whether or not LA makes another major move besides/concerning the Odom situation remains to be seen. However, judging from the current situation with their finances, I don't see it happening. :wakeup
Besides, Odom fits too perfectly. He knows the personnel and the system. Additionally, if he's aggressive during games, he's taking shots away from Artest. Artest might play his role better if he's forced into more of an Ariza role by his teammates.
LA could make more moves and be slated for another deep playoff run. It's still too early to tell anything. Yet multiple teams have improved. The injuries will undoubtedly be much less of a factor going into the playoffs. I have my doubts about Artest, as well. If Odom leaves, he'll be called on to take and make lots of shots in order for them to win. That could be LA's worst nightmare chemistry wise.
Odom will stay in LA... I'll be in denial until he is officially gone...
peoplre are out of control with excitement.
first off, odom isnt that great. losing him would hurt the lakers but they'd still have until february to look for a replacement. Personally, I'd rather odom came back- he's mentally weak and its one less excuse for their fans.
but more importantly, our team has made a bunch of changes and hasnt played a game yet. we dont know how its all going to come together. and even then, april/may/june are a LONG way off.
its too early to be planning parades people.
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Originally Posted by DPG21920
I love your posts.
I hope Odom joins Miami not because I want him to leave the Lakers, but because I don't want to see Wade fade like Iverson who scores a ton but can't bring his team to the top. Odom may not be the missing piece for Wade, but he is a piece nonetheless that could help Wade.
Odom leaving the Lakers will affect the Lakers on both sides of the court, mainly because he is a guy who you can play at the 3 or the 4 depending on how you want to match up with the opposing team. That said, when you look at the lineup of the Lakers without Odom and Artest replacing Ariza, it will be Luke Walton who will be taking the place of Odom. Walton replacing Odom imo, is a big drop-off.
Just my 2 cents. :)
I hate Wade
does odom want to be with the lakers with ron and no phil jackson to keep him in line
Nuff SaidQuote:
Originally Posted by in2deep
http://www.rotoworld.com/images/pixel.gifDwayne Wade has a new contract...with Nike.
Wade officially switched his shoe sponsor from Converse to Nike. Those expecting an extension with the Heat have to be a bit let down. Is this the "GOOD NEWS" Wade was referring to via twitter on Thursday?
I'm not worried nor do I care whether Lamar remains a Laker or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by EricB
I think one of the main keys to the Spurs success in 2009 will be the health of Manu & Tim Duncan over the course of the season.
This would be a huge loss for LA. BUT DO NOT underestimate the intelligence of LA's front office, in fact I'm scared of what deals they might create using Odom (S&T). Should be very interesting these next few weeks.
Very true. These organization didn't win 15 titles for nothing. In most cases, they've been able to survive loss of key players because of the talent they have and the moves they make to get better.Quote:
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Originally Posted by anakha
You mean that one he missed 5 weeks over?
Yes that is it.Quote:
Originally Posted by GOSPURS733
Eric: when is this expected to happen? The offer seems to have been out there for a little while?
Why is that? Is Jerry West consulting for someone w/ an all star to give away?Quote:
Originally Posted by alchemist
Nothing will happen until Utah matches Milsap and Odom's camp sees if they can get what they want out of the Blazers.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
They already matched I thought?
Utah already matched..
The one where you speculated he wasn't really injured?Quote:
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Wow dude I've never seen people overrate Odom so much!
My Friend posted this "Plan B" option should Odom NOT SIGN.
If the Odom contract negotiations fail it’s on to Plan B and Mitch Kupchak’s magic wand. It’s quite possible that Odom can sign and recent events are just a matter of positions that can shift based on what happens with Millsap or changes in the LA offer. The next few days will be key imo.
If LO refuses any three year deal and insists on a 4th year at 9+ then it can and imo would fall apart. A 4th year but at a lot less guaranteed money (~5) would seem to be a good compromise, but it may be that the Lakers want to make certain they clear space for Gasol's extension and what may develop with Bynum. If an agreement can't be reached with LO then on to Plan B. HBA and I took a look at the options and here's what we came up with.
FREE AGENCY
Only have vet min left. Kupchak sells the spotlight – 6th man for a title favorite in 2009 can lead to a payday in 2010.
Best options: Leon Powe, Chris Wilcox, Drew Gooden, Matt Barnes, Joe Smith
If they are cut/bought out: Fabricio Oberto, Ben Wallace
Powe will be injured to start the season but he's the most talented of the group and was very angry with Boston for letting him go. Maybe that anger is enough to seek some revenge, but he’s worth far more than vet min obviously. Wilcox is under the radar, not a classic tri fit but a productive rebounder. Gooden is a tri fit but was set back with the injury, only had flashes of quality games in San Antonio at the end of the year. When healthy he’s a solid rebounder. Barnes is a 3 but his overall game can fit in the system and the rotation. Smith is a steady vet.
TRADING BENCH PLAYERS
Best options: Nick Collison (OKC), Jeff Foster (IND), Jared Jeffries/Nate Robinson (NY)
Sam Presti is holding on to his cap room to shop next summer, which makes Collison a potential trade target since he’s a 2011 player. Adam Morrison and Sun Yue get it done contractually but it may require Farmar instead to close. Question is what other offers OKC gets. Collison is an excellent rebounder per 48, an energy player and gaining consistency.
Indiana is hard to read at 1. They are shopping Ford, want Tinsley to stay away and plan to re-sign Daniels. So it’s possible Farmar would be of interest to them. Foster is a 2011 player so Ammo and Farmar may work for Pacers management worried about payroll.
A Knicks trade for Jeffries and Robinson would be tricky with BYC. Morrison, Farmar, Sun and Powell would work provided Nate re-signs for 4.7. The Knicks jump on it, more space for 2010. Question is if the Lakers think Jeffries would work as the backup 4 and if they’d want to commit to him for two years. Additional question is if the rumors of past interest in Robinson are real.
Other possible targets could be one of the backup Minnesota bigs (Etan Thomas, Darius Songaila, Ryan Gomes, Craig Smith). Hakim Warrick in Memphis for Farmar and Sun (but Warrick is RFA). Brandan Wright in Oakland, I don’t think the Dubs would part with Turiaf.
TRADE X
LA has a 2.5 trade exception from the Mihm deal. In theory that could get Josh Boone but the Nets would want more than just a trade x for him. Would need to build a larger deal around that.
SIGN AND TRADE
Schwartz was reportedly trying to land an S&T offer and failed. Question is if that was due to him asking for more money than clubs were willing to pay. If Kupchak works a deal in S&T under what Odom wants would Odom and Schwartz take it? Depends on what Portland does. It may be that Odom not signing after the Lakers upped the offer is due to Schwartz being confident that Portland will make an offer if Utah matches on Millsap. We’ll see.
If the Blazers don’t make an offer Odom may need to return to the Laker offer and then there is no S&T. If bridges are burned and Portland doesn’t make an offer, then S&T may be amenable to both sides. With the caveats out of the way, maybe these can work.
WASH: Andray Blatche, DeShawn Stevenson, Javaris Crittenton
Thinking here is to address youth and depth at locked in salaries under 4 to help manage the payroll going forward. The Lakers need more salaries under 5, problem with this deal is the volume coming back and no proven impact player. Also forces the Lakers to cut Sun and try to move Farmar for a trade x.
Blatche is 23 and a freak, good size and athleticism, but he lacks maturity and consistency. Too much clay not enough game…yet. Coach him up and he can develop into impact. DeShawn is coming off the back problems but when healthy is a solid man defender, a smart passer and has hit 38 and 40 from 3 in recent years. Crittenton gives the Lakers a speed guard that can create off the dribble as the counter to Kobe traps. Has tri exposure obviously.
The Wizards have an overloaded roster and will need to make a volume deal. If the Lakers want more scoring they can ask for Nick Young instead of Stevenson, depends on how much the Wiz would value LO. Seems Lamar would fit very well in Flip’s system. Thing with Young is he makes much less than Stevenson and then the salaries have to go through mix and match. Also a productive player making under 2 is gold right now, hard to acquire.
ATL: Zaza Pachulia, Josh Childress
Pachulia has the versality to play high post and still bang. Childress has an underrated 2-way game, like LO he does a lot of different things well, excellent rebounder that can play 2 or 3, very long, high hoop iq. S&T would take Odom and Farmar.
CHA: Boris Diaw and Raymond Felton
Diaw isn’t the same rebounder as Odom but is another Swiss army knife. Problem is the contract, 9 per for three years. Kupchak is rumored to like Felton, fills the speed guard hole, excellent at creating steals, can create off the dribble, has 1 skills they lack. Problem is the turnovers and a suspect j, hopefully Hodges could correct that. Would take Odom, Luke and Farmar. Lot to give up but sets the core.
S&T ‘s that sound great but probably don’t work
CHI: Hinrich, Ty Thomas
The Bulls can shop in 2010 and may still have a chance at Boozer.
MIA: Chalmers, Haslem
Riles and D Mobile love LO but the Heat can get Bosh and a lot more next summer if they just stay patient. As of now they are the team with the most room for 2010, best not to mess with that. If Wade says he’ll sign the extension if they get Odom then Riley does it, but short of that imo no.
PHX: Amare
Can’t add 20M per to this payroll. Boom.
GS: Randolph and spare pieces
Randolph is untouchable.
Ya, sell the promise of take less money now and if we win a title you get paid....
Not a good marketing ploy when LO/Ariza are saying WTF?
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Originally Posted by urunobili
Me too. I just prefer to think of him in LA until he's actually gone.:toast
If Odom does indeed sign with Miami, I am going to sacrifice a young goat in his honor. No, make that 2 goatlings. :toast
Don't hurt animals..you're better than Ron Artest..
If Miami lands Odom I think we will need to wait untill Lakers react and then we will be able to say if Lakers lost a step or not. For the moment they are still the fav
Who knows what the Lakers will pull. They are very shifty. But I hope LO goes to Miami of course.
Yeah, but he's very important to LA. He's not the second coming by any means. But his absence would deplete LA significantly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spurs da champs
^Me too but for sure LA FO is working on this scenario and I will be more comfortable to evaluate if after all LA are weaker or not.
This info is coming from LA area, so couldn't tell you whats slowing the Miami offer down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas 2 Step
No doubt Artest can play on both ends. But even though I think Ariza can't carry his jock, I think the Lakers were a better team with Ariza than they are with Artest.Quote:
Originally Posted by GSH
Why? Because the only thing the Lakers really need from that position is standstill 3 point shooting and a rangy athletic defender. Artest's offense is redundant. And on defense, Artest is great on the ball, but he's not going to intercept a pass halfway across the court anymore. Artest doesn't make the plays that Ariza made to beat the Nuggets and Magic.
If Artest was guarding Melo, Melo would not have gone off for 40+ pts every night and the Lakers would not need a Trevor Ariza steal to win the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack0fspeed
Apparently none of you morons actually watched Ariza's man defense, which was very subpar against bigger SF's in the league. He got used and abused and pushed around like a rag doll.
Artest got burned by the quicker 3's often. His lateral quickness/perimeter defense has slipped noticeably. His post defense is far superior than Ariza's. It is a wash imo from a defensive standpoint.
Depends on what the Lakers felt they needed more. But on offense it is not even close. Ron can be the number one option at times and carry a team. Ariza cannot. Ron can handle the ball. This gives the Lakers another option at the end of games so if a play breaks down, you won't get a travel on Ariza for the last shot, you will get Artest.
Who would you rather play with, Wade or Bryant?
On a little birdie side note: I can't wait for dove season. BOOM.
Most every defender is abused by Melo and James, you twit.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrHouse
If Artest has to be your #1 option, you're basically in the weeds. You're about as good as the Kings a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
On LA he is clearly not the number one option. That was not the point. He is capable of being the number one option (Kings/Rockets) on offense, Ariza was not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
If plays break down, instead of the ball being in Ariza's hands, Artest will get that. That is a huge upgrade.
The Lakers need a PG that can defend speedy PG's and a SF that can defend real SF's.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Well Artest will have trouble with Melo as well and Lebron. They are both way too quick for him off the dribble.
The problem is, he often does that anyway.Quote:
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Originally Posted by DrHouse
You guys are screwed.
Leave it to TPark to be begging for a Spurs opponent to be weakened. I say bring Odom's dumb ass back to LA. Kobe doesn't get any excuses if both teams are healthy and complete.
Who doesn't have trouble with Melo and Lebron, Captain Obvious????:downspin:Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
See i don't get how this could even be closely be regarded as an excuse. If you lose a player the in the off-season ......HE GONE! There's no but if he we're healthy (fellow spurs fans, lol), or shit like that. If the lakers lose next year and odom loses this summer and they even try to bring what if up that's pathetic. Yea, a lot of us have pulled the what if gino was healthy in 08 against the lakers which is just us saying we wish he would've been, but that's different than not even having a player on your team the whole year. If odom leaves then there is no excuses if they lose unless something happens around playoff time that would be an obvious hindrance to the team. IN the end its the old saying excuses are like assholes-everyones got one. If a team loses the fans (or some of them) will find some excuse...but that would be a laughable one if it happened like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
LA is over rated. It is the weakest championship team since the Golden State Warriors of 74-75. Injuries are the only thing that kept the Spurs down the last two years. A healthy Spurs team would take the ring again this year even without the additions. I love that the media still have the Spurs rated behind the Lakers. It will be that much more sweet as the Lakers start to unravel.
^^^yikes as a huge spurs fan i gotta even say that was a homer post. Spurs would not have won last year if healthy, I'm pretty positive of that.
As much as I hate to admit it, the Spurs were a long shot last year. The defense just wasn't there, especially on the rotations.
Did anyone else see what Peter Burns said on his twitter???
"Odom signs with Miami. Well, they goes my late May 2010 vacation. Spurs favorites to win West now. Awesome."
http://twitter.com/peterburns760
Why would he say that if no other sources have picked up on it?
My friend, you managed to miss the point entirely. Dr.House was stating the Ariza was getting burned by the likes of those two players and I am saying so will Ron.Quote:
Originally Posted by buttsR4rebounding
I can see PB doing that as some kind of social experiment to prove a point :lol
First, who is Peter Burns?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Second, if this was true, it would've been confirmed at this point.
I think, in the end, Lamar will remain a Laker.
Local sports radio host in San Antonio.Quote:
Originally Posted by mytespurs
I see. Well, if Lamar ends up with back with the Lakers, someone be sure to call him or tweet him back on it......:lol:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
PB says he mean't to pose the question, "Odom to Miami?"Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Oh, you mean punctuation matters in a sentence? I see why "twit"ter is his preferred method of communication...:wakeupQuote:
Originally Posted by dbestpro
I'll believe that when I see it.
Smart money is Odom eventually resigns in LA
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I have learned that Lamar Odom had a phone conversation with Lakers owner Jerry Buss on Thursday. I am told the purpose of the call was to rebuild any bridges that Odom's agent, Jeff Schwartz may have burned by not responding to the Lakers offer of 3-years $30 million, and 4-years for $36 million.
According to reports today, Miami is offering Odom a 5-year package.
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Man, TPark, your 'sources' are worse than those at the National Enquirer.
Sometimes sources can be right and wrong. There probably was some serious discussion between the two parties, but in the NBA, in a situation like this, things can change very quickly.
Serious discussions are one thing, saying out and out that Odom is going to sign is another entirely.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
And you might not remember, but TPark also posted a statement from a 'source' stating Ginobili actually practiced when the injury rumor came out last season. Even started speculating that the injury was a spin job.
LOL, that little birdie needs to be replaced
where's that birdie? it flew away the moment odom signed with the lakers, lol
Little birdie took a nice dump and flew away... LOL
Welp that little birdie was lying to you.
I guess the little birdie turned out to be a Big lying Doofus.
Since when are people that talk to birds credible?
No problem.
Ill just not post stuff that I hear and am allowed to divulge.
BTW, he verbally commited the other night and then the next morning backed out.
So stuff it.
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