According to a little birdie

Ya, sell the promise of take less money now and if we win a title you get paid....

Not a good marketing ploy when LO/Ariza are saying WTF?

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Originally Posted by urunobili

Odom will stay in LA... I'll be in denial until he is officially gone...

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Me too. I just prefer to think of him in LA until he's actually gone.:toast

If Odom does indeed sign with Miami, I am going to sacrifice a young goat in his honor. No, make that 2 goatlings. :toast

Don't hurt animals..you're better than Ron Artest..

If Miami lands Odom I think we will need to wait untill Lakers react and then we will be able to say if Lakers lost a step or not. For the moment they are still the fav

Who knows what the Lakers will pull. They are very shifty. But I hope LO goes to Miami of course.

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Originally Posted by Spurs da champs

Wow dude I've never seen people overrate Odom so much!

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Yeah, but he's very important to LA. He's not the second coming by any means. But his absence would deplete LA significantly.

^Me too but for sure LA FO is working on this scenario and I will be more comfortable to evaluate if after all LA are weaker or not.

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Originally Posted by Texas 2 Step

No way is Mitch K that stupid. He will make a last ditch effort to sign LO if Miami gets close. If LO wants to go to Miami why doesnt he just sign now? He knows taxes in the Lib crap hole state of Cal are gonna go sky high over the next 2 years so unless he gets 10mil a year he would be a fool not to sign with the heat.

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This info is coming from LA area, so couldn't tell you whats slowing the Miami offer down.

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Originally Posted by GSH

When Artest is on his meds, he is a complete badass. You can talk all you want about the baggage he brings, but he got game. Don't even pretend like he doesn't. I think he's a distraction to his team, but damnation he can play ball.

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No doubt Artest can play on both ends. But even though I think Ariza can't carry his jock, I think the Lakers were a better team with Ariza than they are with Artest.

Why? Because the only thing the Lakers really need from that position is standstill 3 point shooting and a rangy athletic defender. Artest's offense is redundant. And on defense, Artest is great on the ball, but he's not going to intercept a pass halfway across the court anymore. Artest doesn't make the plays that Ariza made to beat the Nuggets and Magic.

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Originally Posted by jack0fspeed

No doubt Artest can play on both ends. But even though I think Ariza can't carry his jock, I think the Lakers were a better team with Ariza than they are with Artest.

Why? Because the only thing the Lakers really need from that position is standstill 3 point shooting and a rangy athletic defender. Artest's offense is redundant. And on defense, Artest is great on the ball, but he's not going to intercept a pass halfway across the court anymore. Artest doesn't make the plays that Ariza made to beat the Nuggets and Magic.

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If Artest was guarding Melo, Melo would not have gone off for 40+ pts every night and the Lakers would not need a Trevor Ariza steal to win the game.

Apparently none of you morons actually watched Ariza's man defense, which was very subpar against bigger SF's in the league. He got used and abused and pushed around like a rag doll.

Artest got burned by the quicker 3's often. His lateral quickness/perimeter defense has slipped noticeably. His post defense is far superior than Ariza's. It is a wash imo from a defensive standpoint.

Depends on what the Lakers felt they needed more. But on offense it is not even close. Ron can be the number one option at times and carry a team. Ariza cannot. Ron can handle the ball. This gives the Lakers another option at the end of games so if a play breaks down, you won't get a travel on Ariza for the last shot, you will get Artest.

Who would you rather play with, Wade or Bryant?

On a little birdie side note: I can't wait for dove season. BOOM.

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Originally Posted by DrHouse

Apparently none of you morons actually watched Ariza's man defense, which was very subpar against bigger SF's in the league. He got used and abused and pushed around like a rag doll.

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Most every defender is abused by Melo and James, you twit.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Depends on what the Lakers felt they needed more. But on offense it is not even close. Ron can be the number one option at times and carry a team. Ariza cannot. Ron can handle the ball. This gives the Lakers another option at the end of games so if a play breaks down, you won't get a travel on Ariza for the last shot, you will get Artest.

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If Artest has to be your #1 option, you're basically in the weeds. You're about as good as the Kings a few years ago.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Body

If Artest has to be your #1 option, you're basically in the weeds. You're about as good as the Kings a few years ago.

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On LA he is clearly not the number one option. That was not the point. He is capable of being the number one option (Kings/Rockets) on offense, Ariza was not.

If plays break down, instead of the ball being in Ariza's hands, Artest will get that. That is a huge upgrade.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Artest got burned by the quicker 3's often. His lateral quickness/perimeter defense has slipped noticeably. His post defense is far superior than Ariza's. It is a wash imo from a defensive standpoint.

Depends on what the Lakers felt they needed more. But on offense it is not even close. Ron can be the number one option at times and carry a team. Ariza cannot. Ron can handle the ball. This gives the Lakers another option at the end of games so if a play breaks down, you won't get a travel on Ariza for the last shot, you will get Artest.

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The Lakers need a PG that can defend speedy PG's and a SF that can defend real SF's.

Well Artest will have trouble with Melo as well and Lebron. They are both way too quick for him off the dribble.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

On LA he is clearly not the number one option. That was not the point. He is capable of being the number one option (Kings/Rockets) on offense, Ariza was not.

If plays break down, instead of the ball being in Ariza's hands, Artest will get that. That is a huge upgrade.

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The problem is, he often does that anyway.

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Originally Posted by DrHouse

The Lakers need a PG that can defend speedy PG's and a SF that can defend real SF's.

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:lol
You guys are screwed.

Leave it to TPark to be begging for a Spurs opponent to be weakened. I say bring Odom's dumb ass back to LA. Kobe doesn't get any excuses if both teams are healthy and complete.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Well Artest will have trouble with Melo as well and Lebron. They are both way too quick for him off the dribble.

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Who doesn't have trouble with Melo and Lebron, Captain Obvious????:downspin:

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Leave it to TPark to be begging for a Spurs opponent to be weakened. I say bring Odom's dumb ass back to LA. Kobe doesn't get any excuses if both teams are healthy and complete.

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See i don't get how this could even be closely be regarded as an excuse. If you lose a player the in the off-season ......HE GONE! There's no but if he we're healthy (fellow spurs fans, lol), or shit like that. If the lakers lose next year and odom loses this summer and they even try to bring what if up that's pathetic. Yea, a lot of us have pulled the what if gino was healthy in 08 against the lakers which is just us saying we wish he would've been, but that's different than not even having a player on your team the whole year. If odom leaves then there is no excuses if they lose unless something happens around playoff time that would be an obvious hindrance to the team. IN the end its the old saying excuses are like assholes-everyones got one. If a team loses the fans (or some of them) will find some excuse...but that would be a laughable one if it happened like that.