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despite all the hate there are much worse options than bonner and finley to have coming off the bench. Despite their defensive liabilities they can still knock down some shots. I think the team waits to see how some of the young guys pan out early in the season and then maybe they get shipped out near the trade deadline.
It also wouldnt shock me if Fab comes back for the vet mimimum.
yeah, Bonner should have a spot in the rotation...not sure if Pop even thinks he is behind Blair at this point...for sure he is ahead of Ian (but Ian sould be more of a Duncan replacement, than a complement)
Bonner ust gives you that spacing PF, which teams need today, especially if they have a good inside presence or a quick guard to drive and kick (don't have to tell you, that we own both).
ask yourself a question: with Timmy beeing gefen the ball or Tony driving, who would you rather have: Blair cloaking the lane or Bonner at the 3Pt line?
dont get me wrong: Blair is great and everything. he will give us plenty to cheer for and should be a nice fit too. I just think that Bonners skillset is absolutely undervalued, even though I have to admit, that he would be a better player if playing less than last year.
Here is how I think the frontcourtrotation will look like:
C: Timmy 30 / Dyess 26 / Bonner 16 / Blair 14 / Ian 6 / Haislip 4
(a lot will depend on matchups...sometimes Bonner will see a lot of time, sometimes it will be Blair)...not 100% sure Ian and Haislip will make the roster full time at this point
as much as everyone likes to joke about Bonner...He had a nice year in 08/09...Its just, that you rather bring someone like him from the bench...at least if you are a contender
He always plays 100%, he absolutely hustles his ass off and shoots 50% from downtown. In limited minutes, he's capable of pulling down 3 or 4 boards and dropping 7 or 8 points off the bench. He's also capable of stretching the floor and allowing TP or Hill more room to drive, and allowing the C more room to operate 1 on 1.
There are a lot of positives to Bonner if he's used for the right role.
Victory cigar
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Originally Posted by mudyez
no he wont...not over DyessQuote:
Originally Posted by init2winit
btw.: do you remember how Bonner did great in terms of rebounding for the first few games he started? Pop called him a "natural rebounder"..."something you cant teach"...that was when Bonner obvisiously thought: "hey, the rebounds will find me, and I dont have to get them!"
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Originally Posted by anjlbitz
Only way I say to trade him is if the deal is a real good one. Off the bench he could provide some value. Bonner is a good role player and not a starter.
yeah bonner and natural rebounder dont mix HA
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Originally Posted by mudyez
Pop was obviously hitting the vino pretty hard when he said that.
I think Timmys and Dyess' minutes should be cut a little...leaving basically Blair to take theirs and Kurts+Fabs minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by init2winit
And as I said: he gives us something the others cant: OK, Dyess has a nice midrangegame, but if you want real spacing, you have to go with the "Bo"! He is great at what he is doing...Give him about 1 1/2 quarters to do just that and he will be a nice asset!
pull the shotblocking PF's out of the lane!
give Tony some more room to operate!
of Tony is hot, we dont need the offensive rebounds, coz there wont be any...give him the space!
I like how the rotation complements each other:
Duncan: the star
Dyess: kind of the Robin to Duncans batman: doing something of everything: some spacing, some rebounding, some defense
Blair: the worker...if things dont go well, he is the guy who will simply overpower the other team and do it the ugly way
Bonner: the oposite of Blair..he gives you the shhoting power and room for teammates
Haislip: kind of the speedy guy (maybe playing even some SF)...good for run and gun style, which we should play more with Tony and Jefferson at the helm
Ian: the simply atheltic dude, which is jumping around, giving energy, blocking a shot nobody expected to be blocked
=perfect...I wouldnt trade anyone of them for a player on a similar level but with a different skill set
at that point it seemed to be true (I remember him having some nice rebounding games in limited minutes)...just as I said: it went downhill after he said that!Quote:
Originally Posted by ohmwrecker
Let's keep in mind that the Spurs aren't going to totally abandon small ball next year. A Parker-Mason-Manu-RJ-Duncan lineup can cause some serious havoc on teams. So I don't think there's actually 96 minutes per game to spread around those 6 guys. Jefferson will be getting some of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by mudyez
I also don't see Pop committing to regular playing time 6 deep at the bigs. It's probably going to be Duncan & McDyess starting, with Blair & Bonner as the 1st guys off the bench and Ian & Haslip having to beat out someone if they want anything more than garbage minutes.
btw.: I think some of our wings look more redundant...I could imagine a Finley or Mason trade, which are basically giving us the same skillset (if you dont count on Mason playing PG)...a defensive stopper or kind of a hard nosed rough neck would be great...if we could just swap Finley for Bowen (heck I would do a Mason for Bowen swap)
agree, but i think those minutes will come from Ian and Hasislip, which I'm not totaly sold as regulars...you also have to figure in, that there will be injuries and so on (hopefully nothing serious), which will give you actually more minutes as game averagesQuote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
I see him being the 5th big behind Duncan, Dice, Blair, Ian. It seems that Haislip has much of the same positives with more atheticism so I could see Bonner being the 6th big by the end of the season. This would be ideal IMHO.
In all fairness, Blair and Mahinmi will have to earn their spots ahead of Bonner. However, that should not be too difficult.
I think you need more frontline depth this year.
You want to save Timmy's knees by limiting his minutes, and with Dice's age, you want to limit his minutes, too. I would not be surprised if on Back - 2 - Back's, they pretty much sit Timmy. Then, you have to fill up 80 - 85 minutes of play time for the 4 & 5 between Dice, Ian, Blair, and Bonner.
Bonner you need to fill-in minutes when you rest Timmy and Dice.
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If we trade him, thats Great. If we use him as a shooter, thats Great. I'm not going to be mad if he is or isn't on the team.
I agree with this completely because you don't know exactly what you're going to get out of Haislip or Hairston. Haislip looks like he can hit three's and Hairston has always shown he could play in summer league and D-League but it's time to prove it in the clutch on the pro level that why Finley and Bonner should stay, I even heard Haislip had some kinda record for 3's made in summer league after he was drafted but I doubt it, the proof is in the performance.:flag:Quote:
Originally Posted by buttsR4rebounding
finley + bonner + mason = nearly 10m in contracts....Quote:
Originally Posted by scottspurs
all 3 dont offer anything on the table, they have alot of weaknesses and pop ask them to take on duties they never had b4 and when they did like last season, fail.
Unless you're the belligerent stubborn head coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkwaters
So what do you propose we do? Thin out the bench by trading the three of them for one high salary guy who hasn't proven that he can succeed in Pop's system? Then fill out the rest of the bench with a bunch of guys who haven't even proven that they're NBA players? What player with proven playoff credentials do you want to go get with those 3 guys?Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY