3 of those guys you can at least trade for 1 guy who can do all those things they bring....Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
stephen jackson can do all of that...can play/defend multiple positions...even DIAW is a nice compliment player....
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3 of those guys you can at least trade for 1 guy who can do all those things they bring....Quote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
stephen jackson can do all of that...can play/defend multiple positions...even DIAW is a nice compliment player....
Pop likes the RED ROCKET, he will be our starting center, with Dice and Manu coming off the bench to add some spark from the bench.
No inner thug?Quote:
Originally Posted by init2winit
Kill yourself.
http://www.nba.com/media/act_matt_bonner.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
MATT BONNER, STARTING CENTER, SPURS
Who the fuck should he have started?Quote:
Originally Posted by superbigtime
Kurt Thomas?
Oberto?
and........?!?
So you want a bench of Stephen Jackson, George Hill, and seven guys who collectively have less than 50 games of NBA experience between them? No thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
What he saidQuote:
Originally Posted by EricB
People need to stop blaming Matt Bonner for the situation he was in. He isn't a starting center. He was in the role because the Spurs basically had no other choice. If Oberto was healthy, that likely would have been his job. Now with McDyess on board, Bonner can go back to the bench, come in the game to spread the floor and bring some enthusiasm.
If Mahnimi/Blair are awesome, then they'll probably look to move Bonner at the trade deadline.. but it doesn't hurt to have a big man that can shoot on your bench. If someone wanted Bonner in a trade package right now, they'd trade him but that goes for everyone on the team (outside the obvious).
wait wait wait wait wait . . .
We are talking about Matt Bonner right?
Because if I remember right, summer 2007, maybe half the posters were raving about re-signing Bonner instead of signing Scola. Because Scola 'wouldn't fit' and that there would be no room for him next to Duncan.
AND
Bonner was the NEXT HORRY !
McDyess, Blair, and the other scrubs like Haislip and Mahinmi better sit their asses down.
It's Bonner time!
I don't know "what are doing" with Booner...
the thing people seem to forget about Bonner..dude was shooting an unreal 50% from 3-point range all the way until March..that's a ridiculous number..he shrunk under pressure, but like others have said, he could be a bench player this season..
I wouldn't mind seeing him get 10-15 MPG at all off the bench..
I hope Ian and Blair outplay him and earn a spot in the rotation, because it would be better for our interior, but Bonner can be a valuable player with his great 3-point shooting..he's also a guy that teams could be calling about at the deadline..
IMO, Bonner will be the starting center. Bonner does not see the bulk of the 4th Q in a close game. Yet, Bonner does make the last possession of a game if trailing by 2 or 3.
McDyess gets the Thomas minutes off the bench (plus some of Bonner's.)
Blair gets the Oberto minutes off the bench (plus some of Bonner's.)
A second unit of McDyess, Blair, Ginobli, Mason and Hill could cause nightmares for the opposition. Those nightmares are scarier Bonner's time with the starting unit are for us.
I think McDyess is starting. You don't throw a 10/10 guy to the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drom John
Also, you want to start Finley?
no way, second units gotta be bonner,blair, ginobili, finley, and hill....mason has to start, hes gonna get tons of open looks with the first team now that RJ is in the mixQuote:
Originally Posted by Drom John
even if Ian doesnt take matts spot, that second team is still very strong IMO.
Bonner did fine as a starter during the regular season imo. I would not be heartbroken if he started again. Bonner is efficient with his scoring and his defense (especially the perimeter) is not that bad.
If you put Bonner in the starting line up with Duncan/TP/Mason/RJ that would make him more effective imo. No one would be able to double Tim and there would be slashers on the court as well in TP/RJ.
Then you get to save McDyess and manage his minutes, plus add more potency to your bench with Hill/Blair/Manu/McDyess.
I would not mind that at all and I think you would maximize what you get out of Bonner.
The problem with Bonner is that he needs a significant amount of regular minutes (over 20 a night) to be most effective offensively, while he's not that great of a defensive player. Playing him 15 to 20 minutes a night will ensure that your defense is not up to standard Spurs' defensive levels (circa 1999-2007). If you want an outside shooting threat in a bigman, it's best to go with someone like a Haislip who can potentially give you a different dimension if his shots aren't falling.
It's no coincidence that the Spurs' defense sucked hard last season and Bonner was getting heavy (for him) minutes.
How much of the degraded Spurs offense can be attributed to Bonner and how much to the heavy minutes played by Mason and Finley?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
I agree with that in theory, but Haislip is still a question mark. At least early on, we know Bonner can hit at a high clip. I do not want him to start, I just think it would not be the worst thing, especially early on if it happens.
Bonner played almost 2000 minutes last year on a very good Spurs team, and other than the few extra minutes he got when TD missed games, there's no reason to think his role will be significantly reduced this year.
There are 2400 other minutes from KT, Fabs, and Gooden that can be given to Dyess and a little to Ian, and there was close to 1000 minutes of small-ball last year. IMO Blair on the court can easily be considered "small-ball", and he could take a lot of minutes from that instead of from other big men.
I don't see Bonner playing less than 1400 minutes next year
TD . - 31
McD - 23
Bon - 18
Blair - 14
Ian - 6
Small Ball - 4
see? plenty of minutes to go around, who's getting shafted in that scenario? no one!
At least Bonner's $3.2 million or whatever it is comes off the books this season. If we have to give him run in the regular season to raise his value a bit, I'm fine with that, but he shouldn't be relied upon in a big way come the playoffs. He has proven to be able to stretch the defense as efficiently as any PF in the game during the reg. season, but was like 0-9 3FG in the last three games he played. Doesn't lack toughness and effort by any means, and we'll need him in a long regular season where injuries can occur. His ceiling is too low though, and I agree with Marcus Bryant in that our defense isn't up to par with him getting heavy minutes. Bonner shouldn't, and won't have to, be a starter this season... Haislip signing for the VET MIN can't look good for Bonner either, especially when he's talking up his outside shot... And here's to hoping DeJuan Blair and our 2005 first round pick can average at least 25 MPG combined going into march.
NO!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Drom John
You might have missed when we signed McDyess. He's the PF, Duncan is the C. Whatever, however you want to call them.
I don't mind Bonner anymore, now that we have real talent, starting quality talent. IMO, reflecting what others have said here, you keep him and Finley around to make sure the young players are covered. Trade at the trade deadline if anything. There may be some bargains.
You'll have to forgive T Park's occasional head-in-assness.Quote:
Originally Posted by init2winit
Bonner is the only Big with proven 3-point range. Haislip still has to prove that he can hit from long-range. Bonner can still serve a purpose in certain situations.
I don't care about Bonner. I care about McDyess and Blair. I see it as a win-win situation. If Bonner starts, then we will have McDyess coming off the Bench along with Ginobili to kick more ass while the Starters rest.
If Bonner is on the Bench and McDyess starts, then we can have someone that can rebound a lot better and play much better D on the Starting Lineup, and Bonner can have limited minutes and play with Ginobili and Blair.
Either way, I want McDyess to get more minutes than Bonner and I don't want Bonner to slow down the development of Blair. I just don't want Bonner screwing anything up. Just do your role and get out, and while you are at it, why don't ya grab some rebounds?