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You waste a lot of Manu's value starting him. You have enough offense in the starting squad, enough shooters, enough slashers, enough facilitators.
Sliding him to the 2nd squad, like usual, ramps up his productivity and value, and creates a huge headache for opposing coaches. I agree these young players aren't as seasoned as we'd like, but they are dynamic, hungry, and learning.
Manu plays better when he starts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
Manu shouldn't start. He's the spark of the 2nd unit and is a perfect fit there. As far as Jefferson being better, I don't know about that. I'd rather a healthy manu than a healthy jefferson on my team. Manu creates more problems for the defense, thus opening up the spurs attack
I liked you better with the Zack Morris avatar.
Has this been proven?Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Manu at SF, no thanks.
lol..I just noticed yours..Bayside..nice..Quote:
Originally Posted by J.T.
Agreed. That was a pretty shitty article. Bad analysis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Extra Stout
Maybe Bonner back at SF would be a better idea, but then the backcourt would be crowded with fin, hill, and mason.
I bet there must be some stats out there comparing his numbers when he starts and when he comes off the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
Besides most of Manu's best games came with him on the starting line-up.
That would suck IMO...the only reason Bonner is worth a crap is because he spreads out the defense by being a big who shoots threes.Quote:
Originally Posted by WildcardManu
If Jefferson doesn't start, someone tampered with the lineup card.
I don't really care if Ginobili starts or comes off the bench. He's probably more useful off the bench due to his ability to carry the second unit. But if he starts, the wear and tear on his body will be less.
So it's a win-win.
I think it needs to be like this---Ian Mahinmi---Tim Duncan---Richard Jefferson---Roger Mason Jr.---Tony Parker....
I looked it up. There is no difference between Manu's productivity when he starts and when he comes off the bench whatsoever. I mean none. The only difference in his numbers are a result of him playing less minutes from the bench. It's downright freaky.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
Manu as a starter / Manu off the bench.
Games: 239 / 239
Minutes: 30:11 / 25:11
Points: 15.8 / 13.7 (16.4 when adjusted for 30:11 minutes)
Rebounds: 4.4 / 3.7 (4.4 adjusted to 30:11)
Assists: 4.0 / 3.2 (3.8)
Steals: 1.6 / 1.4 (1.7)
Blocks: 0.3 / 0.3 (0.35)
FG%: 45.4% / 45.4%
3pt%: 37.4% / 37.8%
FT%: 81.5% / 82.8%
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/...&type=Fielding
No, bad idea.
RJ needs to start, and Manu is better when coming off the Bench. I am surprised at how many people think Manu can start. We will have Tony, TD, RJ and Mason all in the Starting Lineup, and all of them can score. It's not good to have all your offensive weapons play and rest at the same time.
Manu works better by providing a huge spark off the Bench. Manu and Finley will lead the 2nd Unit, and Hill and Blair will follow. Our entire Team has a great mixture of veterans (Timmy, Tony, Manu, McDyess), young guys (Hill, Blair, Mahinmi, Hairston) and guys in their prime (RJ, Tony again, Mason and Bonner).
Definitely Manu off the bench, a ball handler, facilitator and vet in the 2nd unit to give leadership to the young guns. I would say he could be just as productive and an integral part of a talented and athletic 2nd unit.
Nice work. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
Yeah, Manu plays the same no matter the situation. You could lock him in the Coyote's dressing room for the first quarter and he'd come out firing in the second quarter.
He might be the only player I've ever seen who plays the same no matter the situation.
Manu will start the season as a starter until Dice and RJ get used to his game so when they starting closing contests they will be familiar with each others game... then Pop will sub him... as usual... :wakeup
If manu is in the second unit he can take some of the point pressure off hill, and with Hill Ian Blair Manu and hairston/finley it gives you a solid second unit. Plus you can have RJ tire LeBron and Kobe and have Manu come in after they are fatigued and run circles around them:toast
We should start 11 guys. Somebody find a loophole on the CBA so we can do that. :hat
Nice.:toastQuote:
Originally Posted by coyotes_geek
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Originally Posted by timvp
It'd be kind of hard to take on Bowen's responsibilities from the bench.
I've always preferred Manu of the bench, to limit his minutes and allow him to be the focal-point with the second unit, but I tend to agree with you now.Quote:
Originally Posted by timvp
Playing with the starting unit probably lessens his burden/wear and tear and the team now has the depth on the bench to not suffer Manu's loss, too much.
I think from a purely basketball standpoint, allowing Manu and Tony's minutes to not mirror each other's is better for them both as individuals and for the team, but it's not as glaring as it used to be with the added talent.
I haven't decided one way or the other, but I'd base my decision solely on what I believed was best for his health.
I guess it comes down to whether you believe Manu playing longer minutes with more talent is less taxing or playing shorter minutes with less talent is.
I personally rather see Manu off the bench for the main reason of limiting his minutes. Then factor the leadship he brings to the 2nd unit and him along with Hill running the offense you really can't go wrong. The spark Manu and Blair will bring will be a nice sight to see. :tu
Id rather Mason start at the 2 and Manu with the 2nd unit. Mason's quick release spot shot will shine from the inside play of TD and the drive and dish from RJ and TP. heck, RMJ might even average 12ppg this season.
Manu will be the vet leading the young 2nd unit with Hill and Blair. We will kick some ass!
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Originally Posted by DAF86
I don't mind that line-up unless Manu's minutes are limited to around 25 a game