-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
DrHouse
Anyone who is legitimately comparing the '07 Cavs to the '09 Magic needs to stop posting.
It's pretty sad that Spur fan can never admit reality. They can't admit when their teams lose. It's always blamed on the refs, injuries, or some other fluke excuses. They can't give credit to the teams that do win, always trying to poke holes and denigrate their accomplishments.
I've never seen a bigger collective group of sour grapes.
I agree actually, at least for some of the Spur Fans in this thread
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
DrHouse
Anyone who is legitimately comparing the '07 Cavs to the '09 Magic needs to stop posting.
It's pretty sad that Spur fan can never admit reality. They can't admit when their teams lose. It's always blamed on the refs, injuries, or some other fluke excuses. They can't give credit to the teams that do win, always trying to poke holes and denigrate their accomplishments.
I've never seen a bigger collective group of sour grapes.
Take a good look in a mirror!
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
DrHouse
Anyone who is legitimately comparing the '07 Cavs to the '09 Magic needs to stop posting.
It's pretty sad that Spur fan can never admit reality. They can't admit when their teams lose. It's always blamed on the refs, injuries, or some other fluke excuses. They can't give credit to the teams that do win, always trying to poke holes and denigrate their accomplishments.
I've never seen a bigger collective group of sour grapes.
The 07 Cavs were very bad for a Finals team. I just think that the 09 Magic (and the 09 Cavs for that matter) were quite overrated. Lots of talent, great shooters, bad coaching. Kind of like a worse version of the aforementioned 07 Suns.
So, you're saddened by the homerism of Spurs fans on a Spurs board, and are making as many generalizations yourself as you accuse us of. I ask, then, why do you even bother reading this board, let alone make what you know are inflammatory posts?
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
The 09 Magic would have destroyed the 07 Cavs. No contest. Probably beat them in 5.
That said, the Nuggets were not that great of a WCF team, the Rockets were a joke with their injuries, and the Jazz weren't going to beat anyone out West in the playoffs except maybe the Hornets.
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
To the title - no. 'Keepin it simple and peaceful since 2009' ;)
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Cry Havoc
The 09 Magic would have destroyed the 07 Cavs. No contest. Probably beat them in 5.
That said, the Nuggets were not that great of a WCF team, the Rockets were a joke with their injuries, and the Jazz weren't going to beat anyone out West in the playoffs except maybe the Hornets.
I did get carried away, I admit. 09 Magic >>> 07 Cavs, though I'm still not sold on the 09 Magic. Apologies.
If we're comparing the teams that the 07 Spurs and 09 Lakers faced in the playoffs, a better comparison is probably:
07 Suns vs. 09 Magic: 07 Suns were much better
07 Jazz vs. 09 Jazz: Wash (neither were a real threat)
07 Nuggets vs. 09 Nuggets: 09 Nuggets were much better
07 Cavs vs. 09 Rockets: Not sure
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
the 2007 Jazz were much better than the 2009 Jazz, no contest..the 2007 Cavs were a lot better than the 2009 Rockets without Yao, McGrady, and Mutombo..
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Spurstrodamus
The Cavs.
If you saw the games you would say otherwise
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Seventyniner
I did get carried away, I admit. 09 Magic >>> 07 Cavs, though I'm still not sold on the 09 Magic. Apologies.
If we're comparing the teams that the 07 Spurs and 09 Lakers faced in the playoffs, a better comparison is probably:
07 Suns vs. 09 Magic: 07 Suns were much better
07 Jazz vs. 09 Jazz: Wash (neither were a real threat)
07 Nuggets vs. 09 Nuggets: 09 Nuggets were much better
07 Cavs vs. 09 Rockets: Not sure
How about comparing by round, instead of switching it up to fit your agenda?
Example: 09 Magic>>>>>>>07 Cavs, Hell 09 Magic>>>>>>>09 Cavs
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
all the team needs is a raja bell type player who can guard other teams swingmen.
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Spurs_210
The Spurs have plugged the needed holes to get pass the Lakers. The one hole beyond control is health so as long as it doesn't become a problem then the series could go either way.
There's other teams in the west. Let's not look past them. Remember we lost to dallas. Of course not at full strength and our team has drastically changed but the fact remains. I see us in the wcf but it will be a hill to climb
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
carrao45
How about comparing by round, instead of switching it up to fit your agenda?
Example: 09 Magic>>>>>>>07 Cavs, Hell 09 Magic>>>>>>>09 Cavs
Those are both correct. However, you know that you don't necessarily face teams in order of increasing difficulty. The 07 Suns were far better than any other team that the 07 Spurs played, while the 09 Magic were probably the best team that the 09 Lakers played. My point of 07 Suns >>> 09 Magic stands.
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
The Lakers won and the Spurs did not. All that matters.
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Seventyniner
Those are both correct. However, you know that you don't necessarily face teams in order of increasing difficulty. The 07 Suns were far better than any other team that the 07 Spurs played, while the 09 Magic were probably the best team that the 09 Lakers played. My point of 07 Suns >>> 09 Magic stands.
A valid point. But i would point out that the Magic were the best defensive team in the league this year. And that strong defensive teams (for example: the spurs) were the Suns killers in 04-present. The suns thrived off teams that tried to outscore them. The Magic won because of their defense, and so, the 09 Magic would beat the 07 Suns IMO
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
carrao45
A valid point. But i would point out that the Magic were the best defensive team in the league this year. And that strong defensive teams (for example: the spurs) were the Suns killers in 04-present. The suns thrived off teams that tried to outscore them. The Magic won because of their defense, and so, the 09 Magic would beat the 07 Suns IMO
This is why DrHouse is on my ignore list and you aren't. Thanks for a rational discussion! I suppose I've been underrating the 09 Magic's defense (and that team as a whole). The 09 Cavs were fool's gold after all (which surprised me), but the Magic earned their spot in the Finals.
Of course, debating who would win between the 07 Suns and 09 Magic is just an extension of debating the hypothetical winner between the 07 Spurs and 09 Lakers, and we could go back and forth on that all day. We'll each take our teams, and there's no way to prove either wrong.
Great coaching is more important than superior talent, which is why none of the East teams scare me at all. If the Spurs can make it past the Lakers, the Spurs win the title. I'd give the Spurs between a 30% and 40% chance of doing it right now (I *am* a homer, remember), which can change depending on where Odom winds up and how the new Spurs jell in-season.
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Seventyniner
This is why DrHouse is on my ignore list and you aren't. Thanks for a rational discussion! I suppose I've been underrating the 09 Magic's defense (and that team as a whole). The 09 Cavs were fool's gold after all (which surprised me), but the Magic earned their spot in the Finals.
Of course, debating who would win between the 07 Suns and 09 Magic is just an extension of debating the hypothetical winner between the 07 Spurs and 09 Lakers, and we could go back and forth on that all day. We'll each take our teams, and there's no way to prove either wrong.
Great coaching is more important than superior talent, which is why none of the East teams scare me at all. If the Spurs can make it past the Lakers, the Spurs win the title. I'd give the Spurs between a 30% and 40% chance of doing it right now (I *am* a homer, remember), which can change depending on where Odom winds up and how the new Spurs jell in-season.
:toast Well any team with Mo Williams as their #2 guy isn't winning anything, and yes they were fools gold. The Magic were a good team, but not even best in the East. That was Boston, and being the homer that i am, i say LA would have defeated Boston as well.
About coaching, i agree, which is why i think the Champion will be from the West. And LA and SA are nearly evenly matched, which is why in a series i think it will come down to PJ vs Pop. Whichever coach does a better job between the two will take his team to the title IMO
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Seventyniner
This is why DrHouse is on my ignore list and you aren't. Thanks for a rational discussion! I suppose I've been underrating the 09 Magic's defense (and that team as a whole). The 09 Cavs were fool's gold after all (which surprised me), but the Magic earned their spot in the Finals.
Of course, debating who would win between the 07 Suns and 09 Magic is just an extension of debating the hypothetical winner between the 07 Spurs and 09 Lakers, and we could go back and forth on that all day. We'll each take our teams, and there's no way to prove either wrong.
Great coaching is more important than superior talent, which is why none of the East teams scare me at all. If the Spurs can make it past the Lakers, the Spurs win the title. I'd give the Spurs between a 30% and 40% chance of doing it right now (I *am* a homer, remember), which can change depending on where Odom winds up and how the new Spurs jell in-season.
OT for a sec: I forgot about the "ignore" feature. It does come in handy doesn't it?
Now back to the topic at hand.......:)
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
carrao45
:toast Well any team with Mo Williams as their #2 guy isn't winning anything, and yes they were fools gold. The Magic were a good team, but not even best in the East. That was Boston, and being the homer that i am, i say LA would have defeated Boston as well.
About coaching, i agree, which is why i think the Champion will be from the West. And LA and SA are nearly evenly matched, which is why in a series i think it will come down to PJ vs Pop. Whichever coach does a better job between the two will take his team to the title IMO
Yes, a healthy Boston would've made the Finals easily. That would've been an epic series, IMO; probably Lakers in 7.
And as much as I hate to say it, if a series comes down to PJ vs. Pop, I don't like the Spurs' chances. Spurs need HCA plus a positive talent differential to overcome that. The Spurs just might have more talent if Odom leaves (the Lakers bench would look awfully thin), but as it stands right now, I can't give the Spurs more than 40%.
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Seventyniner
Yes, a healthy Boston would've made the Finals easily. That would've been an epic series, IMO; probably Lakers in 7.
And as much as I hate to say it, if a series comes down to PJ vs. Pop, I don't like the Spurs' chances. Spurs need HCA plus a positive talent differential to overcome that. The Spurs just might have more talent if Odom leaves (the Lakers bench would look awfully thin), but as it stands right now, I can't give the Spurs more than 40%.
The Spurs won't get HCA over LA I'm sure of it. Only because Pop doesnt care about the Regular Season. But SA is historically a great road team. I would agree though about their chances being 40%
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
carrao45
The Spurs won't get HCA over LA I'm sure of it. Only because Pop doesnt care about the Regular Season. But SA is historically a great road team. I would agree though about their chances being 40%
First and foremost. Congrats to the lakers. The laker faithful really thinks ron is gonna help them repeat. Barring any major injuries the lakers have everything they can handle with sa.la is still a mentally weak team outside of kobe and ron. If its close sa will drown em. The magic were just happy to be there and didn't have the discipline to close out and win the games they couldve . If that's sa or even boston with kg in that position you lose everytime. Don't put your money on ron. The lakers still have weaknesses even with lodom and the spurs will exploit em. Book it.
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
spurspokesman
First and foremost. Congrats to the lakers. The laker faithful really thinks ron is gonna help them repeat. Barring any major injuries the lakers have everything they can handle with sa.la is still a mentally weak team outside of kobe and ron. If its close sa will drown em. The magic were just happy to be there and didn't have the discipline to close out and win the games they couldve . If that's sa or even boston with kg in that position you lose everytime. Don't put your money on ron. The lakers still have weaknesses even with lodom and the spurs will exploit em. Book it.
Yeah ok...the Lakers have no chance in close games, yeah that makes sense. LA is great in close games. And if it's close i expect the best closer in the game (Kobe) to prevail. And no, the Lakers are not mentally weak.
And, besides the PG issue, name a weakness this Laker team posesses.
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Ghazi
Spurs won in 2003 only because Dirk was hurt.
The Spurs went up 3-1 with Dirk playing.
Game 1 you also barely won thanks to 50 free throws. DON'T GIVE ME THAT BULLSHIT. That could have easily been a sweep if you take out the 50 free throws you got from the refs with Dirk playing.
You played better when Dirk went down.
-
Re: so if the lakers sign odom. do you think that prompts the spurs to get someone el
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Ice009
The Spurs went up 3-1 with Dirk playing.
Game 1 you also barely won thanks to 50 free throws. DON'T GIVE ME THAT BULLSHIT. That could have easily been a sweep if you take out the 50 free throws you got from the refs with Dirk playing.
You played better when Dirk went down.
This
