Seriously. Has this guy and his adminstration done anything good for our country?
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Seriously. Has this guy and his adminstration done anything good for our country?
I thought and I thought and I thought and I thought....
but I couldn't think of anything...
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
He and other democrats, have shown just how pathetic they are!
Seriously, I kept coming back and forth to this thread and really tried to think of something and I coudn't.
Other than showing how pathetic democrats are, I can't either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursmania
Ah, more partisan douchery.
Anyone who says anything positive wil be automatically gainsayed by the Republibots, so no need say anything except jack is a gay drama queen.
He's boiling the frog quickly.
He's gotten black people interested in politics. Well, he did during October and November of last year. He's given a lot of work to photographers since they take his picture so much. And how many presidents can say they wore mom jeans?
hmm, well he speaks well, "listen......blah, blah blah" "listen, blah, blah, blah". Ha. I keed, I keed. But really he hasn't done anything besides propose shitty health plans, appear on ESPN to fill out his bracket, pitch at the world series, and "try" to relate to the every day man by talking sports and relaxing with a beer. He's actually very likeable by what he says, it's the whole obama train, but honestly I don't like anyone who judges so quickly because of party. My parents/grandparents are pretty damn conservative, but I've grown to be pretty moderate-tho still right by a little-but this is just honest criticism, nothing has been done, ha, really. Given not much time has gone by so im willing to give him his term to judge. He did come into a bear of a mess, which yes the bush admin did create some of BUT congress created most of. And congress continues to fail miserably-it's fucking annoying having all these people that represent us be such douchebags and really mostly concerned about personal agendas-only a few really care about the countries future...fuckin sad. Either way obama as pres i was like you know i like that it shows the us is ready to vote as a majority for a black pres, but the reasons behind it were well, retarded. It wasn't who would be better, it was look what bush did and mccain is in the same party as him....done and done. it was over then and there. Bush had many faults, i just don't like people who switch on the tube, listen to msnbc,cnn,fox, whatever and take their views from them. Bush didn't solely put this economy where its at - it was many many congressman,banks,ceo's, mangers, people in general that were shady. Ok, im going way off im a little faded... but yea we will see what happens and ill be the first to give props if he can actually turn some things around.
What I have enjoyed is the resident conservatives butt hurtness after america rejected their kind of politics..he has accomplished that!
Its a young presidency, so FWIW at this early of a stage, I'll actually answer the OP's question.
No, he hasnt done anything I would consider "good" or "better" than its been done before. So far, he's another puppet in a recent string of puppet Presidents. He's agenda driven and the Dems know majorities dont last long so theyre jam-packing their schedule passing all the legislation theyve failed to do over the past (almost) 20 years.
Its kind of pathetic and alarming at the same time. Cant say I didnt expect it, though. Majorities are always bad, regardless of party.
This may be a "young" presidency, but he has accomplished a lot in seven months. (With Congress, he has already increased the budget deficit by 400% or something.) It's fair to say, at this point, whether or not he's done anything good.
I disagree with almost everything he says and does. His handling of the Iranian elections was pretty decent at times, though.
I think it got a bunch of posters here really pissed off. That brought out what they REALLY think. That's a positive in my book. :tu
Where is the change that he promised? He bashed McCain all the time saying that McCain was running for Bush's 3rd term. Couldn't it be said that Obama is serving Bush's 3rd term?
First: We haven't been hit by a terrorist attack (if it's an accomplishment for Bush, it is for Obama, as well.)
Second: Tocqueville (one of my favorites) continues to be proven particularly prescient.
Third: (I'm thinking)
You can't think of anything either. It really is tough.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
He's not a venal, criminal Repug.
But he is a venal, criminal democrap.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
The banks that were going to put us into a depression are making money again.
The US is (slowly) getting out of Iraq.
and shoes
Which was planned long before Obama took office. Try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurster
Oh, you're right. I'm sure they had plans in 2003 for getting out.Quote:
Originally Posted by IceColdBrewski
Goldman and JP Morgan are bank receivers, not traditional banks. Their profits come mainly from electronic trading and mergers, i think. The banking sector is still in the dumps. Too many loan losses, too much tied up in untradable "legacy" assets.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurster
Also given that TARP transparency is almost zero, it's impossible to be sure how much of these so-called profits are government assisted.
Im not a fan AT ALL of Obama... and hope he is a 1 termer... but I do like the fact that he is allowing us to fund stem cell research again.
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Originally Posted by Winehole23
I thought Bank of America and Citibank were making profits, too, as of late.
At least he is bringing transparency to America and auditing the fe....
nvm
BoA and Cititbank made huge, ONE-TIME profits last quarter, from asset sales to raise capital. Next 2+ qtrs will probably show them to be still bankrupt and propped up by taxpayers.
btw, banks are raising fees to depositors and card holders (NO raise in service quality) that should bring them $4B additional this year, sucked out of citizens' after-tax pockets.
stock market is up..Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
dumbass:lmao:lmao
Don't believe the hype. 57 banks have failed this year so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by spurster
If you believe financial reporting in this market, you're a simpleton.
They're cheating and lying their asses off.
I'll dig up the links if you doubt me, Spursmania.
Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
I just looked. They indexes are basically flat for the last 2 months, at about the same level he took office at.
Do you have any humility? Stock market is not up fag. If you have anything good to say about him please feel free to share. Don't make up shit. I'm sure he has done something good for our country. Let me know.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
and 5,000 dollar purses now.Quote:
Originally Posted by SonOfAGun
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Originally Posted by Winehole23
That is correct. They used the government's bailout money to invest. They did not make the money via the traditional banking method.:toast
Don't doubt you, that is true.:tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
When that words-on-screen doohicky thingy is working, he's a fantastic speaker.
I thought President Obama handled the situation with Iran decently.
He seems to be a likable dude. Of course, our previous President seemed like a likable dude too.
ah, the modern day political debate. exchanges of subjective interpretation and a battle of links.
Feel free to drop some old school debate here, with newspaper clips too if you dare. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by rjv
every once in a while one can read a decent post on such a thread but you have to admit there is a lot of wasted bandwidth spent on such topics.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
i mean how many "(fill in the blank) candidate or politician sucks" posts are floating around in cyberspace?
Too many. But it's also undeniable that people bite right into it. It's also better than TV or newspapers, because you can get to participate in the drivel if you want to. Ultimately it all comes down to the fact everyone has their opinions, and are more than willing to share them.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjv
he looks cool smoking a square
Unrelated to politics, he seems to be a good father and husband.
understood and agreed. it would just be read some depth from some of the posts now and then. for instance, if one could discuss the anglo iranian oil company or the balfour declaration when discussing the middle east and not just skimming the surface with the latest from CNN.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aM0zj0YsJ8fk
If the economy recovers, we will see all of these naysayers posting thread after thread admitting they were wrong about our president.
Yeah right... that would be the day.
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Originally Posted by ratm1221
I think the economy will recover, so long as Obamacare and cap'n tax are soundly defeated.
In other words, it will recover if Obama doesn't continue fucking it up.
Obama should have done what President Hoover did when he saw the economy going down the toilet. Laissez faire fixes everything.
Prepare for severe disappointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
i will if it happens. i'm cynical, but will give credit where it's due.Quote:
Originally Posted by ratm1221
Oh, he signed the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay act. That was a good move, as the court case that led to the law seemed to be a dumb judgment.
Good thought, but that result is not logical considering the means being used to try and get us there.Quote:
Originally Posted by ratm1221
Inside secret to blow your mind in 3...2....1....
Recovering the economy is not their goal.
:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow:wow
Yeah, massive government spending is dumb. I mean look how bad it failed to get us out of The Great Depression. WWII cost us around 5 trillion (300ish billion at the time, inflation's a bitch). Crushed us didn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by SonOfAGun
Obama thought like everyone else the economy would naturally recover. He bullshited everyone on that stimulus bill, played chicken little, threw in all the earmarks to help his buddies out and now that is has gotten worse he will not get that benifit of the doubt he has been getting from the common folks. There thinking he should have actually put together a stimulus package instead of putting together a bill to fund policy changes the dems could not get past over the years. Plus no way in hell the 5 million votes that put him over McCain thought Obama was this far left. Cap and trade equals BULLSHIT. That health plan is fucking BULLSHIT.
The more I know about the stimulus bill, the more I realize we were duped. The more I know about Obama's health care the more I feel we are headed in the wrong direction.
He is not the moderate Dem I thought he would be when me and my spouse mistakenly jumped party and voted for him. Never again will we jump party to follow tax and spend liberals. This president is more socialist than I ever dreamed possible.
You forgot to throw a homophobic slur into this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
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Dow tops 9,000 as home sales rise for 3rd month
Stocks extend rally after jump in home sales; Dow crosses 9,000 for first time since January
By Tim Paradis and Sara Lepro, AP Business Writers
On Thursday July 23, 2009, 12:02 pm EDT
NEW YORK (AP) -- The Dow Jones industrials are back above 9,000 for the first time since the beginning of January.
Investors are snapping up stocks across the market Thursday, sending major indexes up about 2 percent, after a report showed existing home sales jumped for the third straight month.
A 3.6-percent increase in June home sales has investors excited that the hard-hit housing market might be improving. The National Association of Realtors said sales came in at 4.89 million last month, above the 4.84 million analysts had been expecting.
Several better-than-expected earnings reports also helped boost investor sentiment. Ford Motor Co. surprised the market with a second-quarter profit of $2.3 billion due mainly to a huge gain for debt reduction, while drug maker Wyeth, cigarette maker Philip Morris International Inc. and candy maker Hershey Co. all raised their profit forecasts for the year.
Investors were able to look past a government report showing a bigger-than-expected rise in new jobless claims. The Labor Department said the number of new claims for unemployment benefits rose by 30,000 last week to 554,000, slightly above analysts' estimates. However, a Labor Department analyst said the report was distorted by the timing of auto plant shutdowns.
Also, total unemployment benefit rolls fell to the lowest level since mid-April.
After a month of wayward trading, stocks restarted the market's spring rally early last week after companies like Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Intel Corp. got earnings season off to a good start with solid reports.
"Things are getting much better and the market is pricing it in," said Phil Orlando, chief equity market strategist at Federated Investors.
In midday trading, the Dow rose 174.20, or 2 percent, to 9,055.46. The blue chips last traded and closed above 9,000 on Jan. 6.
The Standard & Poor's 500 index rose 21.79, or 2.3 percent, to 975.86, while the Nasdaq composite index rose 43.64, or 2.3 percent, to 1,970.02.
Advancing issues outnumbered decliners by about 6 to 1 on the New York Stock Exchange, where volume came to 491.8 million shares, compared to 414.6 million traded at the same point Wednesday.
A wave of merger-and-acquisition activity also supported the market. Bristol-Myers Squibb Co. said it plans to acquire Medarex Inc. for about $2.1 billion, the latest in a string of acquisitions by the drug maker. Medarex surged $7.47, or 89 percent, to $15.87, while Bristol-Myers rose 35 cents to $20.64.
Meanwhile, Amazon.com Inc. agreed to buy Zappos.com Inc., a privately held online shoe store, in a deal worth about $850 million. Amazon rose $4.72, or 5.3 percent, to $93.51.
Ford's profit was a huge improvement over the record $8.7 billion loss the company reported the same quarter a year earlier. Without one-time gains, the car maker would have lost $424 million, or 21 cents per share. That is still smaller than the loss of 50 cents per share analysts had been expecting. Ford rose 63 cents, or 9.9 percent, to $7.01.
Wyeth posted a better-than-expected 13 percent jump in second-quarter profit, as cost cuts overshadowed lower sales. It rose 29 cents to $47.15.
Philip Morris said earnings fell 9 percent as the stronger dollar shrunk profit earned in other currencies. The stock jumped $2.64, or 6 percent, to $46.52.
And Hershey said its quarterly profit leapt 72 percent thanks to a price hike and a new advertising effort. The shares rose $2.18, or 5.6 percent, to $41.13.
AT&T Inc. and 3M Co. reported drops in earnings, but their results exceeded analysts' expectations. AT&T rose 21 cents to $26.11, and 3M rose $3.60, or 5.6 percent, to $68.27.
Bond prices fell, pushing their yields higher, as money flowed back into the stock market and out of safe-haven investments. The yield on the benchmark 10-year Treasury note, which is closely tied to home mortgage rates, rose to 3.65 percent from 3.55 percent late Wednesday.
The dollar mostly fell against other major currencies, while gold prices dipped.
Oil prices rose $1.44 to $66.83 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
The Russell 2000 index of smaller companies gained 14.46, or 2.7 percent, to 543.16.
Overseas, Japan's Nikkei stock average closed up 0.7 percent. Britain's FTSE 100 rose 1.5 percent, while Germany's DAX index jumped 2.5 percent and France's CAC-40 rose 2.1 percent.
Since the dead enders have stated this is Obama's economy now shouldn't they be celebrating his economic policies? The economy is getting better regardless of what anyone states..
So let's see if any of you kool aid drinkers have any intellectual integrity to give Obama's policies props...
Or maybe you need to rethink this It's Obama's economy now' mantra...
Of course its getting better short term, I don't think that is the real concern with any of this, we threw hundreds of billions of dollars at the problem, lets see whether the economy actually gets fixed, with business models changing to match the change in peoples spending, or if we just continue on our path of being a credit driven society, where no one really pays off their debts. Long term, I still think that we are screwed economically, and the fall is just going to be that much harder now.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
Although, for getting better, we still aren't seeing any real uptick in consumer spending, and we are still losing jobs, with not much if any increase in hiring.
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Originally Posted by sam1617
How or when will we ever know if the economy is fixed? I am not trying to be a smart ass but seriously will we ever know?
From what I read, looks like a good law. I just hope it had no pork attached to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
We won't. Its not like people can agree that the New Deal fixed the economy, or if WWII fixed it...Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
Things to look for in a fixed economy IMO, increased saving, moderate spending, decrease in debt, both government, corporate and personal. Increases in production of goods, starting to export more than we import. Increases in jobs. Gradual increases are better IMO.
The stock market isn't a great indicator to me... It was high for a long time, with a bad economic model that was doomed for failure, so if it increases, who cares.
Of course, I'm not an economist (cause they do such a good job), so my opinion very well could be wrong... I'm just going by gut feeling of what should be fixed, and how we can tell ;)
The economy is all better now.:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
I think this president has told more bald-faced, demonstrable lies than any previous president in modern history -- including Bill Clinton.
This guy has absolutely no relationship with facts.
No, he loves f.A.C.T.s:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Fabrications to Actively Control the 'Tards
Well let's just hope he has a better grasp of facts than the previous guy..the one who started a war based on 'facts'...Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Well, this president seems intent on continuing that policy. So, maybe there was more to the previous administration's position than this lying bastard is willing to admit.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
you mean dealing with the mess that was left him by a couple of lying bastards?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
What mess?Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
What lies?
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Originally Posted by Yonivore
I'm gonna say his heart is in the right place when it comes to healthcare. It's just not a realistic approach and there are definitely too many loose ends.
Decent hoops game.
And he has no shame in the mom-jeans.
Obama knows about Chicago community organizing. He knows what it is to achieve the American dream, especially as a black man in this country.
He knows absolutely nothing about health care or how it works. This bill is a mess, and he just wants to be known as the president who passed health care despite the consequences of it for our country.
Why do people come to the US for health care?? Because they don't like the care they receive in their respective countries, including Canada and Great Britain. This bill is not about quality it's just about giving everyone some sort of base health care. But Obamacare will affect the way the rest of us receive health care.
While everyone gets basic health care, the rest of us will get lower quality care at a severe cost. Don't even think about your parents' health care. Our medical choices will be taken away from us and by the time we know it it will be too late for us to get our individual choice back. Americans will have to follow what the government says we can and cannot have.
it's not if you win or lose it's how you look doing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursmania
didn't you hear, silly. they come here 'cause they like to "splurge". geez, don't you know in these hard times people just "splurge" on things that just aren't of good quality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursmania
Some good things: Obama represents real progress for blacks in this country; thus far, Obama's foreign policy isn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be; it's nice to have a president who is popular in other countries.
You know what bothers me about Obama, more than anything else? His pretense.
He thinks he knows everything about everything. Executive compensation, financial regulation, health insurance, police procedure in the Skip Gates case, red pills and blue pills, tonsillectomies . . . which is a fine and acceptable quality in a douchebag friend who likes to pontificate . . . but when it's the president you have to be concerned about governmental overreach. His arrogance leads him to substitute his own judgment for that of the private sector more often than not.
The best thing about Obama: He has not declared any stupid war.
No, but Obama is escalating in Afghanistan. Which could make things considerably more difficult for Pakistan, currently in a hot war with elements of the Taliban.Quote:
Originally Posted by MB20
Unless the escalation is a bid to force a political settlement (i.e., talks with the Taliban), it appears to be part of a policy of open-ended nation-building in Afghanistan. If Afghanistan turns out to be a *generational* commitment, a large share of the responsibility for this will go to Obama.
I'll say one nice thing. Obama hasn't fucked up Afghanistan yet. It seems he's going to get out of the way and let Gens McChrystal and Petraeus do their thing. He needs to make sure he doesn't say, "absolutely not" to sending more troops if needed. He also didn't release the torture pictures or decide to let his AG go after CIA operatives...Yet
Afghanistan is so damn screwed... There isn't any way, short of just nuking the whole damn place, to fix it. Soviets tried brute force, it failed. We are trying a combination of brute force and being "nice" for lack of a better term, its failing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winehole23
Without a multi-generational commitment from the industrial world, I don't see how we can convert the people of Afghanistan to a more "civilized" way of life.
Obama has no official say on what the Attorney General does. In fact, the Attorney General MUST be apolitical and not be seen to be influenced by the President, for obvious reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by symple19
He makes Forest Gump look smart!Quote:
Anything good to say about Obama
Well we ca all agree that he is smarter than you are so now we have:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
1. forrest gump
2. Barak Obama
3. WC
:lmao
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
Kind of like Inspectors General are supposed to be immune from administration influence?
I don't think this president believes those rules apply to him.
Of course he doesn't. Any time someone disagrees with him, his minions can chalk it off as racism, and change the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonivore
Obama has been President for 7 months and has passed 2 giant bills. The stimulis and '' the bailout''. Some economist like Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman said his stimulis was too small for the size of the hole we had in our economy. Most economists said we needed both the bailout and the stimulis in some capacity. The bickering was over what size it should be. Understanding this is political kindergarten and it really isn't up for debate. McCain would have done the same thing , just on a smaller scale. We will see if this leads to a quicker recovery, but this economic theory is legitimate. The Dow already went over 9k this week and will only rise from here. Usually the market recovers first then the jobs come. Unemployment will probably start going down next year.
Or he could have had zero earmarks,spend more than 10 percent of the money in the first 7 months,lower everyones taxes,stop wasting time on cap and trade,FREE health care for everyone and start kicking illegals back to there countries so we can give those millions out of work a shot at a job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Upstate
This is cute. Conservatives are butt hurt because after 8 years of Bush, jr. they couldn't come up with a single thing to answer this very question so now they are tying to put it on the democrat when its oh so obviously too early to tell.
This thread is just sour grapes and nothing more.
Domestic policy:
Bailout: too early to see what happens with GM et al.
Stimulus: too early even with the increase in consumer spending. it takes at least a year anyway to see how economic policies are going to work
Sotamayor: shes not even confirmed.
Health care: the bills aren't even out of committee.
Foreign policy:
Shift of military focus from Iraq to Afghanistan: the campaign isn't even fully executed. The new general was only put in charge less than a month ago.
You cannot say hes not done anything. That would be ludicrous. OTOH for policies that have only been instituted a couple of months you guys sure want to jump the gun.
What I really find disgusting are the people rooting for these policies to fail. At home, that means that people are going to lose their jobs and homes and overseas, it means our servicemen and women are going to lose their lives. Its despicable.
:worthy::worthy:Obama...
No shit, and the markets would have recovered much faster without the bailout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Upstate
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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
Give it a rest. Obama is a fail. Obama dems are a fail. 3 years 5 months left. People should be ashamed of themselves putting a man in charge that has ZERO experience. ASHAMED.... Clinton should be our president and YES she would have stimulated the economy and she would not have done a number of bullshit things this fag has done. Seriously...No bullshit...This guy has hurt our country. His mask has been lifted and he is a socialist left winger Jimmy Carter would not be proud of.
TARP has been showing a profit.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Consumer spending, home sales and the stock market are up. The bill itself left out provisions for small business which IMO is a big issue but the economy has and is showing signs of improvement.
Sotomayor is a former corporate lawyer that I personally do not trust. OTOH she hasn't even overseen one case.
Health care: bills aren't even out of committe but the CBO is saying that the senate plan actually will lower current costs and that the house plan is very fucked up.
Afghanistan: the joint attacks by us and the pakistanis are pushing the Taliban out of provinces that had been in their control for over a year and were fucking up their poppy crop.
Thats not fail. Thats you being a partisan douchebag.
LMAO, I love this new conservative tactic. No serious economic recession has self adjusted since the great depression.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
The Great Depression took the $300 billion that was WW2.
The depression after the 1978 oil crisis took Reagan making massive tax cuts and creating a trillion dollar debt.
The recession in the early 90s took major restructuring of the tax code and Clinton repealing Glass-Steagall which gave us out roaring 20's but has put us in the clusterfuck we're in right now.
Markets don't correct themselves. It was the huge issue in the late 19th and early 20th century where people like you thought they would. Go read some Keynes and learn something about economics.
He is a fail and no I am not a partisan. Wake up. Rest of America is.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
When someone disgrees with u,,,u call them a partisan. Can you say hypocrite? Remember this, never think this is not true for one moment.... Not one single second when you reply to Jack Sommerst. I wanted Clinton for Prez not McCain. But I voted for McCain because Obama (what was SOOOOOO Obvious then) a man with no humility,little self respect,zero experience and a liar.So go fuck yourself faggot.
Ad hominem. The last bastion of those with no leg to stand on.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
http://www.gallup.com/video/121853/T...ve-Leader.aspxQuote:
Originally Posted by Gallup Polls
:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
Was it Gallup or another leading pollster that got caught fudging in the last presidential election? Could have been Zogby, I don't remember.
You can laugh all you want but youre claiming that americans are 'waking up' when 2/3 disagree with you. The facts show you to be dead wrong. I'm sure thats common for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset