Anything good to say about Obama

Obama knows about Chicago community organizing. He knows what it is to achieve the American dream, especially as a black man in this country.

He knows absolutely nothing about health care or how it works. This bill is a mess, and he just wants to be known as the president who passed health care despite the consequences of it for our country.

Why do people come to the US for health care?? Because they don't like the care they receive in their respective countries, including Canada and Great Britain. This bill is not about quality it's just about giving everyone some sort of base health care. But Obamacare will affect the way the rest of us receive health care.

While everyone gets basic health care, the rest of us will get lower quality care at a severe cost. Don't even think about your parents' health care. Our medical choices will be taken away from us and by the time we know it it will be too late for us to get our individual choice back. Americans will have to follow what the government says we can and cannot have.

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Originally Posted by Spursmania

He knows absolutely nothing about health care or how it works. This bill is a mess, and he just wants to be known as the president who passed health care despite the consequences of it for our country.

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it's not if you win or lose it's how you look doing it.

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Originally Posted by Spursmania

Why do people come to the US for health care?? Because they don't like the care they receive in their respective countries, including Canada and Great Britain.

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didn't you hear, silly. they come here 'cause they like to "splurge". geez, don't you know in these hard times people just "splurge" on things that just aren't of good quality.

Some good things: Obama represents real progress for blacks in this country; thus far, Obama's foreign policy isn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be; it's nice to have a president who is popular in other countries.

You know what bothers me about Obama, more than anything else? His pretense.

He thinks he knows everything about everything. Executive compensation, financial regulation, health insurance, police procedure in the Skip Gates case, red pills and blue pills, tonsillectomies . . . which is a fine and acceptable quality in a douchebag friend who likes to pontificate . . . but when it's the president you have to be concerned about governmental overreach. His arrogance leads him to substitute his own judgment for that of the private sector more often than not.

The best thing about Obama: He has not declared any stupid war.

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Originally Posted by MB20

The best thing about Obama: He has not declared any stupid war.

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No, but Obama is escalating in Afghanistan. Which could make things considerably more difficult for Pakistan, currently in a hot war with elements of the Taliban.

Unless the escalation is a bid to force a political settlement (i.e., talks with the Taliban), it appears to be part of a policy of open-ended nation-building in Afghanistan. If Afghanistan turns out to be a *generational* commitment, a large share of the responsibility for this will go to Obama.

I'll say one nice thing. Obama hasn't fucked up Afghanistan yet. It seems he's going to get out of the way and let Gens McChrystal and Petraeus do their thing. He needs to make sure he doesn't say, "absolutely not" to sending more troops if needed. He also didn't release the torture pictures or decide to let his AG go after CIA operatives...Yet

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

No, but Obama is escalating in Afghanistan. Which could make things considerably more difficult for Pakistan, currently in a hot war with elements of the Taliban.

Unless the escalation is a bid to force a political settlement (i.e., talks with the Taliban), it appears to be part of a policy of open-ended nation-building in Afghanistan. If Afghanistan turns out to be a *generational* commitment, a large share of the responsibility for this will go to Obama.

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Afghanistan is so damn screwed... There isn't any way, short of just nuking the whole damn place, to fix it. Soviets tried brute force, it failed. We are trying a combination of brute force and being "nice" for lack of a better term, its failing.

Without a multi-generational commitment from the industrial world, I don't see how we can convert the people of Afghanistan to a more "civilized" way of life.

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Originally Posted by symple19

I'll say one nice thing. Obama hasn't fucked up Afghanistan yet. It seems he's going to get out of the way and let Gens McChrystal and Petraeus do their thing. He needs to make sure he doesn't say, "absolutely not" to sending more troops if needed. He also didn't release the torture pictures or decide to let his AG go after CIA operatives...Yet

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Obama has no official say on what the Attorney General does. In fact, the Attorney General MUST be apolitical and not be seen to be influenced by the President, for obvious reasons.

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Anything good to say about Obama

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He makes Forest Gump look smart!

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

He makes Forest Gump look smart!

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Well we ca all agree that he is smarter than you are so now we have:

1. forrest gump
2. Barak Obama
3. WC

:lmao

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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR

Obama has no official say on what the Attorney General does. In fact, the Attorney General MUST be apolitical and not be seen to be influenced by the President, for obvious reasons.

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:lmao

Kind of like Inspectors General are supposed to be immune from administration influence?

I don't think this president believes those rules apply to him.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

:lmao

Kind of like Inspectors General are supposed to be immune from administration influence?

I don't think this president believes those rules apply to him.

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Of course he doesn't. Any time someone disagrees with him, his minions can chalk it off as racism, and change the story.

Obama has been President for 7 months and has passed 2 giant bills. The stimulis and '' the bailout''. Some economist like Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman said his stimulis was too small for the size of the hole we had in our economy. Most economists said we needed both the bailout and the stimulis in some capacity. The bickering was over what size it should be. Understanding this is political kindergarten and it really isn't up for debate. McCain would have done the same thing , just on a smaller scale. We will see if this leads to a quicker recovery, but this economic theory is legitimate. The Dow already went over 9k this week and will only rise from here. Usually the market recovers first then the jobs come. Unemployment will probably start going down next year.

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Originally Posted by Upstate

Obama has been President for 7 months and has passed 2 giant bills. The stimulis and '' the bailout''. Some economist like Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman said his stimulis was too small for the size of the hole we had in our economy. Most economists said we needed both the bailout and the stimulis in some capacity. The bickering was over what size it should be. Understanding this is political kindergarten and it really isn't up for debate. McCain would have done the same thing , just on a smaller scale. We will see if this leads to a quicker recovery, but this economic theory is legitimate. The Dow already went over 9k this week and will only rise from here. Usually the market recovers first then the jobs come. Unemployment will probably start going down next year.

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Or he could have had zero earmarks,spend more than 10 percent of the money in the first 7 months,lower everyones taxes,stop wasting time on cap and trade,FREE health care for everyone and start kicking illegals back to there countries so we can give those millions out of work a shot at a job.

This is cute. Conservatives are butt hurt because after 8 years of Bush, jr. they couldn't come up with a single thing to answer this very question so now they are tying to put it on the democrat when its oh so obviously too early to tell.

This thread is just sour grapes and nothing more.

Domestic policy:

Bailout: too early to see what happens with GM et al.
Stimulus: too early even with the increase in consumer spending. it takes at least a year anyway to see how economic policies are going to work
Sotamayor: shes not even confirmed.
Health care: the bills aren't even out of committee.

Foreign policy:

Shift of military focus from Iraq to Afghanistan: the campaign isn't even fully executed. The new general was only put in charge less than a month ago.

You cannot say hes not done anything. That would be ludicrous. OTOH for policies that have only been instituted a couple of months you guys sure want to jump the gun.

What I really find disgusting are the people rooting for these policies to fail. At home, that means that people are going to lose their jobs and homes and overseas, it means our servicemen and women are going to lose their lives. Its despicable.

:worthy::worthy:Obama...

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Originally Posted by Upstate

Usually the market recovers first then the jobs come. Unemployment will probably start going down next year.

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No shit, and the markets would have recovered much faster without the bailout.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

This is cute. Conservatives are butt hurt because after 8 years of Bush, jr. they couldn't come up with a single thing to answer this very question so now they are tying to put it on the democrat when its oh so obviously too early to tell.

This thread is just sour grapes and nothing more.

Domestic policy:

Bailout: too early to see what happens with GM et al.
Stimulus: too early even with the increase in consumer spending. it takes at least a year anyway to see how economic policies are going to work
Sotamayor: shes not even confirmed.
Health care: the bills aren't even out of committee.

Foreign policy:

Shift of military focus from Iraq to Afghanistan: the campaign isn't even fully executed. The new general was only put in charge less than a month ago.

You cannot say hes not done anything. That would be ludicrous. OTOH for policies that have only been instituted a couple of months you guys sure want to jump the gun.

What I really find disgusting are the people rooting for these policies to fail. At home, that means that people are going to lose their jobs and homes and overseas, it means our servicemen and women are going to lose their lives. Its despicable.

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Give it a rest. Obama is a fail. Obama dems are a fail. 3 years 5 months left. People should be ashamed of themselves putting a man in charge that has ZERO experience. ASHAMED.... Clinton should be our president and YES she would have stimulated the economy and she would not have done a number of bullshit things this fag has done. Seriously...No bullshit...This guy has hurt our country. His mask has been lifted and he is a socialist left winger Jimmy Carter would not be proud of.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

Give it a rest. Obama is a fail. Obama dems are a fail. 3 years 5 months left. People should be ashamed of themselves putting a man in charge that has ZERO experience. ASHAMED.... Clinton should be our president and YES she would have stimulated the economy and she would not have done a number of bullshit things this fag has done. Seriously...No bullshit...This guy has hurt our country. His mask has been lifted and he is a socialist left winger Jimmy Carter would not be proud of.

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TARP has been showing a profit.

Consumer spending, home sales and the stock market are up. The bill itself left out provisions for small business which IMO is a big issue but the economy has and is showing signs of improvement.

Sotomayor is a former corporate lawyer that I personally do not trust. OTOH she hasn't even overseen one case.

Health care: bills aren't even out of committe but the CBO is saying that the senate plan actually will lower current costs and that the house plan is very fucked up.

Afghanistan: the joint attacks by us and the pakistanis are pushing the Taliban out of provinces that had been in their control for over a year and were fucking up their poppy crop.

Thats not fail. Thats you being a partisan douchebag.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

No shit, and the markets would have recovered much faster without the bailout.

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LMAO, I love this new conservative tactic. No serious economic recession has self adjusted since the great depression.

The Great Depression took the $300 billion that was WW2.

The depression after the 1978 oil crisis took Reagan making massive tax cuts and creating a trillion dollar debt.

The recession in the early 90s took major restructuring of the tax code and Clinton repealing Glass-Steagall which gave us out roaring 20's but has put us in the clusterfuck we're in right now.

Markets don't correct themselves. It was the huge issue in the late 19th and early 20th century where people like you thought they would. Go read some Keynes and learn something about economics.

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Thats not fail. Thats you being a partisan douchebag.

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He is a fail and no I am not a partisan. Wake up. Rest of America is.

When someone disgrees with u,,,u call them a partisan. Can you say hypocrite? Remember this, never think this is not true for one moment.... Not one single second when you reply to Jack Sommerst. I wanted Clinton for Prez not McCain. But I voted for McCain because Obama (what was SOOOOOO Obvious then) a man with no humility,little self respect,zero experience and a liar.So go fuck yourself faggot.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

He is a fail and no I am not a partisan. Wake up. Rest of America is.

When someone disgrees with u,,,u call them a partisan. Can you say hypocrite? Remember this, never think this is not true for one moment.... Not one single second when you reply to Jack Sommerst. I wanted Clinton for Prez not McCain. But I voted for McCain because Obama (what was SOOOOOO Obvious then) a man with no humility,little self respect,zero experience and a liar.So go fuck yourself faggot.

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Ad hominem. The last bastion of those with no leg to stand on.

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Originally Posted by Gallup Polls

July 24, 2009

Obama Widely Perceived as a Strong and Decisive Leader
Sixty-seven percent of Americans say that Obama is a strong and decisive leader and another two-thirds say that he understands the problems Americans face in their daily lives.

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http://www.gallup.com/video/121853/T...ve-Leader.aspx

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Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins

Ad hominem. The last bastion of those with no leg to stand on.



http://www.gallup.com/video/121853/T...ve-Leader.aspx

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:lmao

Was it Gallup or another leading pollster that got caught fudging in the last presidential election? Could have been Zogby, I don't remember.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

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You can laugh all you want but youre claiming that americans are 'waking up' when 2/3 disagree with you. The facts show you to be dead wrong. I'm sure thats common for you.