I think some guys get nervous when they don't have their fix of real NBA games.
Let's start that new season already !!! :fight
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I think some guys get nervous when they don't have their fix of real NBA games.
Let's start that new season already !!! :fight
It was simply a trade idea. Nothing more.
But I'm getting tired of people putting words in my mouth. Take the idea for what it is...an idea. If you think it's shit then fine. If you like it then fine. I was simply voicing an idea that came to me.
Any of the suggested trades would be too premature right now. Spurs FO would be wise to wait it out and see if Mahimni/ Blair/ Haislip sink or swim even at the expense of some of the Red Rockets PT.
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Originally Posted by ericb
i know this is just a trade idea.....but HELL NO! Ian is a big who is still young and has potential which he has not had much of a chance to show....no way bigs are hard as hell to find
I can never understand all the hate on Ian. He has done everything that the Spurs have asked of him & he has never questioned them. He got hurt. MRI's, xrays, catscans, none of them picked up the floating bone fragment. How is that Ian's fault? Let the kid play at least full season on the Spurs before making judgment on whether he is a "bust" or not.
As for the trade idea. I like Thabo. I think he would be a good fit here. You never really trade a big for a small unless, you are getting the best player in the deal. At this point, I dont know how anyone can say Thabo is better than Ian, or vice versa. They dont play the same position, you cant teach heigth, big men are definitly harder to come by than swingman. We now have RJ, so unless they would give Thabo up for Fin & a future pick, I think it would be idiotic to trade potential for potential. Ian has a higher ceiling than Thabo, no pun intended.
I think Sefolosha is a pretty good player, and I agree that sometimes it's wise to trade potential to fill an immediate need. However, given where the Spurs typically draft, I think having a young center with real potential is too valuable to give up. An athletic 5 is a much more difficult position to find than a defensive 3.
It seems that for many people, Mahinmi has risen in the last week from an always-injured underachieving Big back up to a beloved untouchable prospect. James Gist has dropped from the mythic heights of best summer league player '08 and inspiration for long laudatory threads down to a guy who ain't gonna cut it in the USA.
It'd be funny if Marcus Williams turns out to be better than either one of them.
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Originally Posted by Tully365
No kidding. You'd think I said to trade Duncan.
Ian will get limited chances this year to prove himself. If he proves himself like we know Blair will, then He could possilby crack the rotation...(long shot).
As far as the team is concerned, I like the amoount of vets and youngsters. All the best spurs teams had a nice combination of vets and athletes.
Vets like Fin and Dice will be important for the team to lean on.
I kinda think our Team is fine as it is. Give up the Trades already ,,,with out a major injury, the Spurs are set.
:lol internet sports forum junkies are very sensitive people... you don't want to upset their delicate fickle balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkwaters
I'd love to see how hairston does playing some decent minutes at the SF spot, so no.
Holy shit, this thread turned into the Inquisition v 2.0... burn Darkwaters, burn! :lol
Seriously, if there's a reason why I wouldn't jump at this trade, it's because after events unfolded in the past few months, I think at the moment the Spurs need a bigman more than they need a swingman, and Oklahoma needs a seasoned guard more than they need a raw bigman, so likely neither would pull the trigger. But other than that, this isn't half bad an idea.
We all know the Spurs window of opportunity is closing. And since it isn't Christmas every day, to get something we'd likely have to part with something of value, namely the rights to Splitter, Gist, or Mahinmi himself. GMs love youth and potential, and those they have.
And considering Ian may live up to his promise, or he may not, and even if he does, he may not do so within the next 2/3 years (which is where the Spurs should commit all their resources), if a trade came through that would favour the Spurs in the short term, then you have to do it... even if we end up losing in the long term.
So call me crazy, but I don't think pondering a trade of one of the young prospects on Spurs constitutes any kind of heresy, it's simply the reflection of what our needs are and how to get there, nothing more, nothing less...
Or the trade proposed makes no sense at the moment. Either or.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tully365
Are they?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkwaters
Or is SpursTalk searching for one?
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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
Besides...any trade that does not include unloading Bonner is not worth discussing.
:lol Very true... but how would spurstalk have reacted two weeks ago to a thread suggesting Marcus Williams is a better prospect than James Gist, which now seems to be the case?
Why? Bonner had one of the best 3 point shooting percentages in the entire league last year. His weakness lay in the fact that he was asked to do too much last season. If you make him the 4th big then hes pretty stellar actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Plus hes relatively cheap and expiring.
Why the Bonner hate? He'll be gone in 12 months if nothing else if not before the deadline.
SpursTalk of course. Nobody ever really knows what the Spurs are doing which is why speculative threads like this thrive so much in this forum. Thats the fun in being a Spurs fan! :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
We agree he has some value then. :tuQuote:
Originally Posted by Darkwaters
The Spurs are seemingly moving towards more athletic players off the bench. As MB said, they are beginning to look past the Duncan era and into the Parker era with the players they are acquiring. Bonner just doesn't seem to fit anymore.
:lol Timvp said the exact same thing about the spurs looking for another defensive minded wing a week ago. But he's infallible on spurstalk, so nobody dares to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
He may have sources, but I haven't seen any other indications.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tully365
I'm actually thinking they are ready to roll into the season with the 14 players they currently have under contract barring some LLE bargain or SL/training camp revelation.
But that is sheer speculation on my part.
Absolutely. Haislip looks like Bonner's athletic replacement. We'll see if he can unseat him or if he does the Oberto routine for a season.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Still, Bonner is a guy with knowledge of the system that played a big role last year. He still has a lot to give this season...though it will probably be his last in the silver and black.
I agree. Though I think the point Darkwaters was trying to make-- that people had over-reacted to a simple proposal is true, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper