Trade Idea for Thabo Sefolosha

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Originally Posted by Tully365

I agree. Though I think the point Darkwaters was trying to make-- that people had over-reacted to a simple proposal is true, too.

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It wouldn't be SpursTalk if we didn't.

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Originally Posted by tully365

i agree. Though i think the point darkwaters was trying to make-- that people had over-reacted to a simple proposal is true, too.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

It wouldn't be SpursTalk if we didn't.

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Ok, granted.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

It wouldn't be SpursTalk if we didn't.

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Originally Posted by Darkwaters

Ok, granted.

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Originally Posted by vic petro

i think sefolosha is a pretty good player, and i agree that sometimes it's wise to trade potential to fill an immediate need. However, given where the spurs typically draft, i think having a young center with real potential is too valuable to give up. An athletic 5 is a much more difficult position to find than a defensive 3.

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I don't think it would be fine for the spurs to trade Mahinmi for Thabo.
I really don't believe that what Thabo can give the spurs now worths what Mahinmi may bring to the spurs in the future.The spurs have Ginobili,Mason,Finley,Hairston,Jefferson now in 2 and 3.Thabo can hardly give the spurs more even just because he wouldn't have enough time.I thinnk a hope that a bigman might become another David Robinson or even just Camby is better that Thabo for the current spurs.

wouldnt give up mahinmi finley+someone else maybe like miclinton+gist lol

No deal. Finley still can play spot minutes, can't believe I just said that. Mahinmi, on the other hand, at this age of swingmen, could become a really good big which is a rare specimen.

Alright then, it's settled. It is not worth giving up the potential Ian for the play of Thabo. Close the thread.

why would Presti even take the call on this proposed trade?

It's not like he came in and was stuck with Sefolosha. He went out and traded for him, hell, Sefolosha finished the season as a starter.

So trade him for a big who's one dunk attempt in practice away from a blown pec, one ankle sprain from invisible bone chips, and one hard foul and landing away from a lower back injury?

After they've already signed Ibaka ahead of expectations from last season?

After they've drafted Mullens?

I love Mahinmi, but I don't see how that's a realistic trade. A starter for a guy who missed an entire season when you have other young bigs in the wings? When everyone in the media is gushing over Ibaka, and the only praise for Mahinmi in SL are slight complements like Thorpe saying that he's always found Mahinmi intriguing?

And from the Spurs side, no, you don't give up on him yet. If the trade is there now it will be there after camp. And besides, Mahinmi still has potential that can be fulfilled. McDyess is only on the two years guaranteed. He could break down at any time. Blair is a different kind of player and has suspect knees. Haislip could go back to Spain if he feels like making real money again. Splitter might never come over. Mahinmi is a cheap insurance policy.

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Originally Posted by Big P

I can never understand all the hate on Ian. He has done everything that the Spurs have asked of him & he has never questioned them. He got hurt. MRI's, xrays, catscans, none of them picked up the floating bone fragment. How is that Ian's fault? Let the kid play at least full season on the Spurs before making judgment on whether he is a "bust" or not.

As for the trade idea. I like Thabo. I think he would be a good fit here. You never really trade a big for a small unless, you are getting the best player in the deal. At this point, I dont know how anyone can say Thabo is better than Ian, or vice versa. They dont play the same position, you cant teach heigth, big men are definitly harder to come by than swingman. We now have RJ, so unless they would give Thabo up for Fin & a future pick, I think it would be idiotic to trade potential for potential. Ian has a higher ceiling than Thabo, no pun intended.

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Exactly. Bigs are (very) hard to find and young bigs even more. You don't trade a 5 for a 2/3 except for a very very good 2/3.

Moreover, as Ian still hasn't played a single NBA season (he still hasn't played a full NBA game !) it's very hard to stop betting on him.

I think we're in a better position by keeping Finley+Hairston as back ups of RJ + Ian and Blair as a young duo of bigs to develop than having Thabo, as a back up of RJ and only Blair as a young big to develop (I don't include Gist as a big).

So, no I wouldn't do the trade.

Mahinmi needs to bottle up the agression and passion he played with in his last summer league game and bring it every night.

The spurs are still thin on the frontline with only Duncan, McDyess and Blair worth getting quality minutes. Bonner needs to have his minutes limited, Haislip is also not a heavy rotaion quality big and Rasho is not on the spurs.

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Originally Posted by Darkwaters

Absolutely. Haislip looks like Bonner's athletic replacement. We'll see if he can unseat him or if he does the Oberto routine for a season.

Still, Bonner is a guy with knowledge of the system that played a big role last year. He still has a lot to give this season...though it will probably be his last in the silver and black.

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Somehow I keep having this vision of Bonner guarding Haislip out on the wing in a practice session. Haislip fakes baseline and easily drives by him for a slam. Bonner looks around wondering what the hell happened. Again, it's only a vision.

Ian Mahinmi Is 22 years old....... If he were 26 and playing like this, then i would Understand.... Plus he was Hurt All of last year...... Give the Kid A Chance..... He Will be A Solid Big Man in this League.....

Pass. It'd be one thing if Mahinmi suffered a career threatening injury and has come back tentatively, but that's not the case. The injury he did suffer kept him from joining the rotation last season, which by all accounts the Spurs had penciled him in to do.

Spurs fans have dismissed Mahinmi for no other reason than that he was out last season. That's it. Fortunately, the Spurs have not done so.

Although Pop and the others in the FO talk about Ian like they found him at 281 and 410 yesterday and have no idea who he is.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Although Pop and the others in the FO talk about Ian like they found him at 281 and 410 yesterday and have no idea who he is.

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That kind of suggests he isn't being shopped, doesn't it?

True... there seems a difference in tone and level of enthusiasm coming from Pop and RC when talking about Hill or Blair as opposed to when the topic of Mahinmi comes up.