The 2009 French NT thread

After bad results in 2007 and 2008, French NT must play a qualifying tournament for the 2009 Euro that will happen in Poland this September.

The roster:

Tony Parker (Spurs) PG
Joseph Gomis (Malaga, Spain) PG/SG
Yannick Bokolo (Gravelines, France) PG/SG
Nando De Colo (Valencia, Spain) PG/SG
Nicolas Batum (Blazers) SG/SF
Mamoutou Diarra (free agent) SF
Boris Diaw (Bobcats) SF/PF
Florent Pietrus (Valencia, Spain) PF
Ronny Turiaf (Warriors) PF/C
Alain Koffi (Joventut, Spain) PF/C
Ali Traoré (ASVEL, France) PF/C
Alexis Ajinca (Bobcats) PF/C
Joakim Noah (Bulls) C
Johan Petro (free agent) C

That's 14 players, 2 players will be cut.
Noah should be one because Chicago wants him back to work with him. The other one should be Petro or Ajinca.


Schedule:

July 13th: Start of the training camp.

Preparation games:
July 24th: France - Austria
July 25th: France - Belgium
July 26th: France - Czech Republic
July 30th: France - Hungria

Qualifications for the Euro:

First stage: 3 teams tournament, the best one advances to the qualification finale:
August 5th: Italy - France
August 8th: France - Finland
August 14th: France - Italy
August 17th: Finland - France

Final stage: 2 games (home and away) against the winner of the other qualification group (Belgium, Bosnia and Portugal). The winner advances to the euro.
August 27th: first game.
August 30th: second game.

2009 Eurobasket in Poland : 7th - 20th September.

Links:

French NT website (in French)
Euro 2009 website

do you know if they're going to be online? i really want to see Nando De Colo play

Thanks for the info.

I assume France is the favorite in that play-in tourney. Then who? Italy?

Hopefully Parker stays healthy and De Colo plays well.

Why does Ian not play, same with Pietrus? I know Pietrus is not favored to highly by many of the other national team members/coaches, but why? I am pretty sure Ian plays with the "youth" national team, but does he ever get to play with the full side?

Some news of the first week:

Spurs related:
- TP hasn't played for nearly 2 months and a half. He isn't in great shape for the moment. Spurs' have send Mike Brungardt in France to work with him.
- Nando De Colo has arrived one day late because of the signing of his new 3 years contract with Valencia. Word is that he has played well this week. He was France best scorer in a scrimmage the team has had this Sunday.

Others:
- Larry Brown has spend the week with the team in France. Even if he isn't paid, he works with the coaching staff to give tips/advices.
- There were an agreement between France NT and Chicago that Noah would be back at the end of the month to Chicago to work with Bulls. Noah played very well this week and they will try to keep him for the whole summer.

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Originally Posted by timvp

I assume France is the favorite in that play-in tourney. Then who? Italy?

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France and Italy are the favorites. France should be a little better we never know with them...

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Why does Ian not play, same with Pietrus? I know Pietrus is not favored to highly by many of the other national team members/coaches, but why? I am pretty sure Ian plays with the "youth" national team, but does he ever get to play with the full side?

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Mike Pietrus is out because of a wrist injury. He hasn't been cleared by Magic medical staff.

Ian has been injured for one year. The best for him and the NT is that he stays with Spurs to practice and plays SL. Ian has never played for the senior French NT. He should have played in 2007 but has had a pectoral injury. If he has a good season, he will likely join the NT next summer.

spurs offseason plan was to let spur players rest
duncan could not do much and looks like tp could not either

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Originally Posted by Bruno

- Larry Brown has spend the week with the team in France. Even if he isn't paid, he works with the coaching staff to give tips/advices.

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amazing

some Larry Brown quotes this week:


"Tony (Parker), Boris, Ronny (Turiaf) are having long seasons but they do not want to rest this summer," notes Larry Brown, who is "admirative".

"Alexis (Ajinca) is becoming better by coming here," he adds. I recommend this experience to all players. Joakim (Noah) does things here that he never do in Chicago."

"The French team has great champions, athletes and incredible competitors. I am concerned about the teams who will use zone defense, but agressive defense can counter this coz the team will have to run and creat open space. But Batum and De Colo can shooter, Boris has done very well with us and Tony progresses."

link in french

It sucks for Noah, he is playing great and Collet seems to be very high on him.

from L'équipe

A la fin de cette semaine, Joakim Noah va retourner à Chicago, déjà, après quinze premiers jours marquants en équipe de France. «Il apporte beaucoup donc s'il part, cela fera un manque qu'il faudra pallier rapidement», juge Mamoutou Diarra. «S'il part»... Lors de l'annonce de la présélection, il était clair que celui qui portait le n°21 lors du scrimmagene ferait qu'un passage. «On ne va pas se fâcher avec eux (les Bulls) mais maintenant qu'il est là, on va essayer de revenir à la charge, explique Patrick Beesley, le directeur de l'équipe de France. On ne va pas demander à Larry Brown (le conseiller spécial des Bleus) de batailler mais de leur dire qu'il serait mieux qu'il reste. L'agent de Joakim est un des anciens joueurs (de Brown) donc...»

Parker : «Je comprends Joakim»


«Techniquement, un club NBA n'a pas le droit de t'empêcher de jouer en équipe nationale»,précise Tony Parker. Sauf que les franchises renaclent encore souvent à libérer leurs joueurs étrangers, mais sans jamais être sanctionnées. Tout se joue dans le rapport de force entre un (jeune) homme et ses dirigeants. «A 19 ans, je venais d'être drafté et les Spurs voulaient que je fasse de la musculation, rappelle "TP". J'ai dit non et je suis allé à l'Euro. Mais je comprends Joakim.Tu essayes de faire plaisir à ton club car ce sont eux qui paient ton salaire. Quand un club NBA te met la pression, ce n'est pas facile. Il progresserait plus vite avec nous qu'à faire des work-outs (exercices) dans un gymnase où il n'y a personne. Je l'ai fait une année en 2004, ce n'est pas comme ça que tu progresses. Les matches contre l'Italie, la Finlande, ce sont de vrais matches. Et la musculation, il peut la faire avec nous. Joakim est d'accord là-dessus, mais ce n'est pas facile, ce n'est que sa deuxième année».

The French staff is going to try to negociate with the bulls to see if he can stay.
TP remembered that technically Chicago cannot prevent him from playing but trying to force the thing is never positive. He added that at 19 years old, the spurs wanted him to work in SA but TP refused to not play the Euro but he understands Joakim situation.

I don't understand why the Bulls don't want Joakim to play.... he is young and healthy... and he is loving being there...

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. On ne va pas demander à Larry Brown (le conseiller spécial des Bleus) de batailler mais de leur dire qu'il serait mieux qu'il reste. L'agent de Joakim est un des anciens joueurs (de Brown) donc...»

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We're going to ask Larry Brown to tell the bulls it would be better for Noah to stay. Joakim's agent is a former LB's player so...



Let's hope it's gonna work.

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Originally Posted by urunobili

I don't understand why the Bulls don't want Joakim to play.... he is young and healthy... and he is loving being there...

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They want that he adds some weight and works on his jumpshot. It's easier to do if the player is at their practice facility than playing in Europe.

About Larry Brown:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9w...es-bleus_sport
It's press conference with him. He starts to talk at the 7min mark.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

They want that he adds some weight and works on his jumpshot. It's easier to do if the player is at their practice facility than playing in Europe.

About Larry Brown:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9w...es-bleus_sport
It's press conference with him. He starts to talk at the 7min mark.

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i think it's better for the player and Chicago to learn european play against old and experience player and he can lift some weight with the team

Tony interview in french

"Tony Parker, all your teamnates are saying it's a very intense preparation. How do you feel about this?
We're trying not to laugh and joke too much and stay focused while training because we have only three weeks of preparation. Everyone is motivated. It's not that we weren't motivated the previous years, but compared to what happened last year, we want to show a new image of the French team.

You will play a tournament this week in Strasbourg. Are you eager to play again?
Personally, I think training is good. This is important. This is sometimes one of our weakness, we're not disciplined enough. We have to work on how to deal with zone defense. So I'm glad we're training. The most important, it's August the 5th (first match in Italy).

Florent Pietrus said that the French team has always had potential but it more obvious this year. Is this your opinion?
Each year, we have potential. But this year it is clear that we have a lot of it. We have many bigs, it's pretty impressive. Petro, Ajinca and Noah, a lot of player inside.

With Laurent Foirest injured, there is no real veterans on the team.
But we are the veterans! Or I don't know the definition of veteran. Boris (Diaw), Flo (Pietrus), me will have to lead the team. It will be my fifth European Championship, more than Cyril (Julian) or Laurent Sciarra.

How do you feel personally?
It was two and a half months, I hadn't done nothing. I just played with the children during my Camp. This is the first time I'm stopping that much, so I slowly get back to work. But it's ok, it's like a training camp.

At Vichy, you are here with a physical trainer.
(He cut) It was his choice to come because he wanted to be sure I'd do my strength training. Because of Ginobili since the last two times (in selection), he was injured. It has nothing to do with the Federation. The Spurs did not even sent me an assistant, but the main guy (the head of physical preparation of the Spurs, Mike Brungardt). After, he helped Alexis (Ajinca), Joakim Noah, Joseph (Gomis), those who wanted to do a little muscle. It was not an obligation. "

It was his choice to come because he wanted to be sure I'd do my strength training. Because of Ginobili since the last two times (in selection), he was injured

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It was his choice to come because he wanted to be sure I'd do my strength training. Because of Ginobili since the last two times (in selection), he was injured

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:rolleyes

He just got injured ONCE with the NT... in Beijing... re-aggravating an injury he had against PHX on the second game of the 2008 playoffs...

I hope Tony Parker stays healthy. The French basketball team has really gotten better over the years. I also hope De Colo plays well and shows some promise. Hopefully Nando can be a big part of the Spurs in the post-Duncan era.

one question- Can these games be seen online?

FRA – Parker: ‘I have to be honest, I love playing for France’

Tony Parker is as eager as ever to put on the blue shirt and represent France.

The San Antonio Spurs point guard will next month attempt to lead his team into the EuroBasket via the Additional Qualifying Round and if they make it to Poland, the French can then go after a place at the 2010 FIBA World Championship in Turkey.

"It was strange for me to be on holidays for so long,” Parker said of his break after San Antonio’s early play-off exit.

“But it was good for my body after six demanding years …

"I am really motivated to achieve success with Les Bleus.”

For France to reach the EuroBasket, they must finish top of Group B in the Additional Qualifying Round ahead of Italy and Finland and then beat the winners of Group A (Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina or Portugal) in a home-and-away tie.

"We have to be positive, motivated and need all the players love to play together,” Parker said.

“I have to be honest, I love playing for France. If we are able to quality for the EuroBasket, we will be in a good position to do well at the tournament.

"It's going to be a great challenge for my generation. The time has come to either succeed or fail. We have three or four years left and the next three years will be crucial.”

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FRA – Parker: ‘I have to be honest, I love playing for France’

Tony Parker is as eager as ever to put on the blue shirt and represent France.

The San Antonio Spurs point guard will next month attempt to lead his team into the EuroBasket via the Additional Qualifying Round and if they make it to Poland, the French can then go after a place at the 2010 FIBA World Championship in Turkey.

"It was strange for me to be on holidays for so long,” Parker said of his break after San Antonio’s early play-off exit.

“But it was good for my body after six demanding years …

"I am really motivated to achieve success with Les Bleus.”

For France to reach the EuroBasket, they must finish top of Group B in the Additional Qualifying Round ahead of Italy and Finland and then beat the winners of Group A (Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina or Portugal) in a home-and-away tie.

"We have to be positive, motivated and need all the players love to play together,” Parker said.

“I have to be honest, I love playing for France. If we are able to quality for the EuroBasket, we will be in a good position to do well at the tournament.

"It's going to be a great challenge for my generation. The time has come to either succeed or fail. We have three or four years left and the next three years will be crucial.”

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As always, thanks D228 for the find !

Don't see a team doing great with Tony Longoria being the No.1 guy, that's why the Spurs should never give him the crown even after Duncan retires, unless the Spurs turn into rebuilding mode someday and Spurstalk switched its name to Mavstalk as a result.

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Don't see a team doing great with Tony Longoria being the No.1 guy, that's why the Spurs should never give him the crown even after Duncan retires, unless the Spurs turn into rebuilding mode someday and Spurstalk switched its name to Mavstalk as a result.

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Hell of a segue there. :lol

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:rolleyes

He just got injured ONCE with the NT... in Beijing... re-aggravating an injury he had against PHX on the second game of the 2008 playoffs...

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i can remember manu limping his way onto the tean as a rookie with a bad ankle. didnt he hurt it at the world championships in 2002?

Noah won't stay, and Ajinca should be the last guy cut.

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i can remember manu limping his way onto the tean as a rookie with a bad ankle. didnt he hurt it at the world championships in 2002?

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I knew someone would bring that up... He had never played with the Spurs back then...

I think France will make it... if they embrace each other and put their ego's aside they have a great chance to overcoming this tournament and do great at the European ship since they will be rolling once the tournament starts....

You have to watch out for GB with Gordon, Deng and Mensa Bonsu on the roster...

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Originally Posted by urunobili

I think France will make it... if they embrace each other and put their ego's aside they have a great chance to overcoming this tournament and do great at the European ship since they will be rolling once the tournament starts....

You have to watch out for GB with Gordon, Deng and Mensa Bonsu on the roster...

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It was not a problem of ego, they were a terrible shooting team with no ball movement. We finally have a good coach, Diaw sucked for 2 years after his contract year or wasn't there because of insurance problem. Flo Pietrus was injured last year and i think he's the most important player with tony and diaw.

But i'm a little worried about this tournament. If they succeed though, i think they're one of the favourites to win the Euro.

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France and Italy are the favorites. France should be a little better we never know with them...



Mike Pietrus is out because of a wrist injury. He hasn't been cleared by Magic medical staff.

Ian has been injured for one year. The best for him and the NT is that he stays with Spurs to practice and plays SL. Ian has never played for the senior French NT. He should have played in 2007 but has had a pectoral injury. If he has a good season, he will likely join the NT next summer.

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Wow, I had no idea Ian had become so fragile...

And interview of Nando:
http://www.lequipe.fr/Basket/breves2...n-dernier.html

Translation of the interesting part:

What was your reaction after having being drafted by San Antonio?

It's very good. It's very good team with a very well organized. For me, there is nothing better. Next year, I will first play with Valencia. I have a three years contract with options after every year. They are in close relationship with Spurs, so it's even better.

Will you move from a versatile SG spot to a the PG spot with Valencia ?

Everyone sees me as a PG and I want to be back at that spot where I know I can be very efficient. I've played PG for the last 5 games with Cholet and it went well. When I was a child, I've been more a PG than a SG. I've later moved to SG to work on certain aspects of my game but I will now be back at the PG spot.

First preparation game:
France 98
Austria 57

Nando: 16 pts, 6 ast in 26 min
TP: 9 pts in 12 min

Stats: http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches.../50nSFhNmrsU5A
Pictures: http://www.sigbasket.fr/edf2009/vendredi-match2/

Thanks Bruno for the update. Looks like Noah and Petro had a good game too. Interesting ...

Thanks Bruno. Appreciate the update.

:toast

good to see Nando play well and Parker playing limited minutes

TP played only 12 minutes because of a thigh bruise. Without it, he would have played more minutes.

Diaw looks like he gained some weight and is out of shape.

Tony does look like he was breathing pretty heavy for 12 minutes of pt.

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Diaw looks like he gained some weight and is out of shape.

Tony does look like he was breathing pretty heavy for 12 minutes of pt.

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both are out of shape ! apparently TP did absolutely nothing during his holidays :)

Too bad Noah has to come back to Chicago, he was the best player during this game.

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both are out of shape ! apparently TP did absolutely nothing during his holidays :)

Too bad Noah has to come back to Chicago, he was the best player during this game.

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Apparently Reinsdorf has more control over his players activities than Holt or Johnson, Jordan, and Haynes. Too bad. At least it seems like Manu is wising up albeit a couple of years and a few million of Holt's money late.

TP is out for few days because he sprained his right ankle yesterday.

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TP is out for few days because he sprained his right ankle yesterday.

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here we go again :bang

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TP is out for few days because he sprained his right ankle yesterday.

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IRM tomorrow, hope it's not serious

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IRM tomorrow, hope it's not serious

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He has had the MRI today, nothing serious.
http://www.lnb.fr/index.php?pid=50&i...cursor_start=0

thanks bruno

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Already done, it's nothing serious.

http://www.france-info.com/spip.php?...&sous_theme=69

Euro-2009/préparation - Tony Parker arrêté quelques jours
25/07/2009-[18:43] - AFP

STRASBOURG, 25 juil 2009 (AFP) - Tony Parker, touché à la cuisse et la cheville droite vendredi en match de préparation aux repêchages à l’Euro-2009 face à l’Autriche, est arrêté quelques jours, a-t-on appris samedi auprès de l’encadrement de l’équipe de France de basket.

Le meneur de jeu des Bleus est donc forfait pour les deux derniers matches du tournoi de Strasbourg face à la Belgique samedi soir et la République tchèque dimanche. Après douze minutes de jeu, il avait quitté la rencontre face à l’Autriche sur une béquille à la cuisse droite. Sur le coup, la douleur étant "vive", le joueur ne s’était pas rendu compte qu’il souffrait également d’une légère entorse à la cheville droite. "Une fois au repos, le soir, la douleur s’est réveillée" et la cheville "a commencé à gonfler", explique Parker dans un communiqué de la Fédération française (FFBB). L’entorse est "bénigne, sans aucun arrachement osseux, ni lésion ligamentaire", selon la FFBB. "L’IRM et l’échographie passées ce (samedi) matin sont rassurantes, je suis donc soulagé, ajoute Parker. Je suis frustré de devoir arrêter quelques jours ma préparation mais je serai présent pour Italie-France", premier match des repêchages, le 5 août à Cagliari. Parker devrait reprendre l’entraînement progressivement la semaine prochaine. Lors de la préparation à l’Euro-2007, le meneur des San Antonio Spurs avait été rappelé aux Etats-Unis par son club afin de passer des tests médicaux complémentaires après avoir été touché à la cheville, gauche cette fois. Il avait rejoint l’équipe de France cinq jours plus tard.

I don't care if it is serious, just a bad sign. It is never smart to play with the NT when you are completely out of shape. That is when injuries happen. Hopefully he is smart.

The over/under for the number of pages on ST about this news is 23. :stirpot:

petro had his best game with the NT, i didn't really thought he could contribute but maybe it's a good sign.

Where is Johan Petro playing now or is he still a FA?

still a FA

A thigh bruise and a sprained ankle already? How come Parker turns into a china doll when he plays for the French NT?

Hopefully the Spurs have a few doctors there . . .

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The over/under for the number of pages on ST about this news is 23. :stirpot:

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I you want a beautiful meltdown, you need to throw that news in a new thread. There's not a lot of people who read the French NT thread.

Now, with a new thread with a title like "Breaking News : Parker injured with French NT !!!", you could have something... epic. :lol

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I you want a beautiful meltdown, you need to threw that news in a new thread. There's not a lot of people who read the French NT thread.

Now, with a new thread with a title like "Breaking News : Parker injured with French NT !!!", you could have something... epic. :lol

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I didn't want to put the news in a specific thread to avoid the traditional meltdown but I'm sure someone else will create this thread soon.

Well what do you expect? Most people seem to think TP is very out of shape and now he is trying to play with his NT? That is not smart. He should have been keeping in shape knowing he was going to be playing.

No one minds him playing (or at least I do not) but be smart. He is an elite athlete and he knows that you cannot go from 0 to NT without risking injury.

that is not good... hopefully TP bounces back with no physical issues to lead the team to the Eurocup

Damn it Tony, I read that he was out of shape but when I saw only 12 mins i let out a sigh of relief. But damn it...

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I you want a beautiful meltdown, you need to threw that news in a new thread. There's not a lot of people who read the French NT thread.

Now, with a new thread with a title like "Breaking News : Parker injured with French NT !!!", you could have something... epic. :lol

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This is so true :lol

So now Parker rests and comes back for NT play even more out of shape. Sweet.

Fuckin NT play. Start kissing all that money you sank to re-arm the Spurs goodbye Holt.

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So now Parker rests and comes back for NT play even more out of shape. Sweet.

Fuckin NT play. Start kissing all that money you sank to re-arm the Spurs goodbye Holt.

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Slow your roll and look at the big pic. He is out of shape and that is not smart, but the injury was minor and it is too early to say the season is over. He just has to be smart and not rush anything. He needs to work to get back into shape before trying to compete at a high level.

Some guys are prone to injury and some guys (due in part to body type) are not.

TP seems like the latter so I wouldn't be too worried.

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Slow your roll and look at the big pic. He is out of shape and that is not smart, but the injury was minor and it is too early to say the season is over. He just has to be smart and not rush anything. He needs to work to get back into shape before trying to compete at a high level.

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Screw that. I've always been against NT play including the US. Manu screwed the Spurs over with a stress injury, a cumulative injury that almost certainly wouldn't have happened with summer's rest. Now Parker continues to fuck up his ankle with cumulative, repetitive injuries, each one making the next one a little easier to occur.

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No one minds him playing (or at least I do not) but be smart. He is an elite athlete and he knows that you cannot go from 0 to NT without risking injury.

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You're fast to draw some conclusions while you haven't even seen how the injury has happened.

Parker was hit in the tigh by an Austrian player and twist his ankle during the same play. He doesn't look like an injury related with not being in shape.

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Now Parker continues to fuck up his ankle with cumulative, repetitive injuries, each one making the next one a little easier to occur.

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TP hurt his right ankle yesterday. He has had troubles with his left ankle.

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You're fast to draw some conclusions while you haven't even seen how the injury has happened.

Parker was hit in the tigh by an Austrian player and twist his ankle during the same play. He doesn't look like an injury related with not being in shape.

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Is he in top shape? I do not care how the injury happened. If you are not in good shape you are susceptible to injury. This is not rocket science. When you are in shape, your balance and ability to avoid injury is much better. When you are out of shape, you can get hit then roll your ankle because your legs are too weak to bounce off and your balance is poor.

This is widely known. My beef is not so much with the current injury as it is with a few saying he looks in very bad shape. That can lead to injuries and he should work himself back in slowly and monitor his minor injuries.

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I don't care if it is serious, just a bad sign. It is never smart to play with the NT when you are completely out of shape. That is when injuries happen. Hopefully he is smart.

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Well what do you expect? Most people seem to think TP is very out of shape and now he is trying to play with his NT? That is not smart. He should have been keeping in shape knowing he was going to be playing.

No one minds him playing (or at least I do not) but be smart. He is an elite athlete and he knows that you cannot go from 0 to NT without risking injury.

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Slow your roll and look at the big pic. He is out of shape and that is not smart, but the injury was minor and it is too early to say the season is over. He just has to be smart and not rush anything. He needs to work to get back into shape before trying to compete at a high level.

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You're fast to draw some conclusions while you haven't even seen how the injury has happened.

Parker was hit in the tigh by an Austrian player and twist his ankle during the same play. He doesn't look like an injury related with not being in shape.

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Looks like you were the one drawing conclusions because you feel defensive over the issue.

No where did I say that his fitness was the direct cause of the injury. I was responding to a few saying he looked out of shape and that is when injuries CAN happen.

I never said he was out of shape and it caused him to roll his ankle. He needs to be careful and smart and work himself slowly in. That is all. You were jumping to conclusions.

Game 2:
France 82
Belgium 44

De Colo 6 points in 23min.

Stats: http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches.../50nSFhNmrsU5A
Pictures: http://www.sigbasket.fr/edf2009/samedi-match2/

These are easy wins against bad teams. The FT shooting is very Spurs like ( 9/21 in the first game, 14/27 in the second one). :lol

Is De Colo running point for this last game with TP out? Or does he play SG only for the NT?

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Is De Colo running point for this last game with TP out? Or does he play SG only for the NT?

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He played PG in this game.

When everybody is healthy, he only plays SG. TP is the starting PG and Joseph Gomis is the backup PG.

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He played PG in this game.

When everybody is healthy, he only plays SG. TP is the starting PG and Joseph Gomis is the backup PG.

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I know it was not the best competition, but how does he do at running the point? Is he better than Gomis at the PG position?

I know from some comments, he said he is transitioning back to a PG for his club.

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Originally Posted by dpg21920

is he in top shape? I do not care how the injury happened. If you are not in good shape you are susceptible to injury. This is not rocket science. When you are in shape, your balance and ability to avoid injury is much better. When you are out of shape, you can get hit then roll your ankle because your legs are too weak to bounce off and your balance is poor.

This is widely known. My beef is not so much with the current injury as it is with a few saying he looks in very bad shape. That can lead to injuries and he should work himself back in slowly and monitor his minor injuries.

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[quote=Bruno;3588363]Game 2:
France 82
Belgium 44

De Colo 6 points in 23min.

... and 10 assists!

[QUOTE=Pauleta14;3588594]

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Game 2:
France 82
Belgium 44

De Colo 6 points in 23min.

... and 10 assists!

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Just passing the ball to a teammate against an outmanned team is likely to count as an assist. The 6 points in 23 minutes seems more significant.

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... and 10 assists![/B]

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No, 2 assists.

http://www.basketfrance.com/_fbs/0910/edf_4.pdf

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Looks like you were the one drawing conclusions because you feel defensive over the issue.

No where did I say that his fitness was the direct cause of the injury. I was responding to a few saying he looked out of shape and that is when injuries CAN happen.

I never said he was out of shape and it caused him to roll his ankle. He needs to be careful and smart and work himself slowly in. That is all. You were jumping to conclusions.

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Well I don't know why you would have expected him to be in basketball shape. Though he obviously works out regularly in the summer, he can't be in basketball shape (have his wind, legs, etc) unless he plays basketball. And after the season ends, most of the players are told to take a couple months off of basketball. And then midsummer they start working themselves back into basketball shape through scrimmages, team play, etc.

Anyway, I don't think getting kneed in the thigh has to do with being in shape or not. Remember the 2006 in the playoffs when he got kneed in the thigh very badly? He definitely was in shape then and it didn't stop the issue.

pop told tp and duncan not to do anything this summer
I am not thrilled tp is over there
you get in basketball shape by playing only
for the ones that want him to be in basketball shape he has to play to get in shape

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Well I don't know why you would have expected him to be in basketball shape. Though he obviously works out regularly in the summer, he can't be in basketball shape (have his wind, legs, etc) unless he plays basketball. And after the season ends, most of the players are told to take a couple months off of basketball. And then midsummer they start working themselves back into basketball shape through scrimmages, team play, etc.

Anyway, I don't think getting kneed in the thigh has to do with being in shape or not. Remember the 2006 in the playoffs when he got kneed in the thigh very badly? He definitely was in shape then and it didn't stop the issue.

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I don't expect him to be in game shape. I expect him to be in decent shape or to have started training a little early knowing that he would be playing for his NT. I am just going off of what people say, that he looks very out of shape.

Many players in the off season still run and play pick up basketball with other pros. I did not say that "getting kneed was due to him being out of shape". He also sprained his ankle, so it was not him just getting kneed. Once again, I said the injury did not bother me, it was the reports of him looking very out of shape that can lead to more serious injuries. That is how injuries happen. I said I want him to ease himself into it. I do not want him to go from very out of shape to trying to help the NT qualify just like that. I do not know how this particular injury happened or if him rolling his ankle after he got kneed had to do with him being un fit. Just now that the odds increase of other injuries if he is 1) out of shape 2)a little banged up 3) trying to compete at a high level.

Most people that are going to play for the NT start training a little earlier to start to get in shape. They know it is not smart to do very little, then try and play at a high level. Not only does it take a while to get back into shape, but you run the risk of getting injured in practice/games.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

I don't expect him to be in game shape. I expect him to be in decent shape or to have started training a little early knowing that he would be playing for his NT. I am just going off of what people say, that he looks very out of shape.

Many players in the off season still run and play pick up basketball with other pros. I did not say that "getting kneed was due to him being out of shape". He also sprained his ankle, so it was not him just getting kneed. Once again, I said the injury did not bother me, it was the reports of him looking very out of shape that can lead to more serious injuries. That is how injuries happen. I said I want him to ease himself into it. I do not want him to go from very out of shape to trying to help the NT qualify just like that. I do not know how this particular injury happened or if him rolling his ankle after he got kneed had to do with him being un fit. Just now that the odds increase of other injuries if he is 1) out of shape 2)a little banged up 3) trying to compete at a high level.

Most people that are going to play for the NT start training a little earlier to start to get in shape. They know it is not smart to do very little, then try and play at a high level. Not only does it take a while to get back into shape, but you run the risk of getting injured in practice/games.

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The French NT team began training camp the 12th of July. And Tony played 12 min against a really bad team after 2 weeks of training.
A little spained ankle for a basketball player... it's a minor injury !
Get over it. Tony will, in 1 or maybe 2 weeks.

Parker says de Colo will be a SG with the Spurs, he plays SG for the NT but for his new Spanish team he'll be playin PG, y is that Bruno? Do the Spurs want him to improve his playmaking ability more than his scoring ability?

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

I don't expect him to be in game shape. I expect him to be in decent shape or to have started training a little early knowing that he would be playing for his NT. I am just going off of what people say, that he looks very out of shape.

Many players in the off season still run and play pick up basketball with other pros. I did not say that "getting kneed was due to him being out of shape". He also sprained his ankle, so it was not him just getting kneed. Once again, I said the injury did not bother me, it was the reports of him looking very out of shape that can lead to more serious injuries. That is how injuries happen. I said I want him to ease himself into it. I do not want him to go from very out of shape to trying to help the NT qualify just like that. I do not know how this particular injury happened or if him rolling his ankle after he got kneed had to do with him being un fit. Just now that the odds increase of other injuries if he is 1) out of shape 2)a little banged up 3) trying to compete at a high level.

Most people that are going to play for the NT start training a little earlier to start to get in shape. They know it is not smart to do very little, then try and play at a high level. Not only does it take a while to get back into shape, but you run the risk of getting injured in practice/games.

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Well I doubt he's "very" out of shape. It's not like he's been laying on the couch eating gallons of ice cream and never going to the gym. People were just referring to him being winded and the such... in other words, not being in game shape.

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Originally Posted by ducks

pop told tp and duncan not to do anything this summer
I am not thrilled tp is over there
you get in basketball shape by playing only
for the ones that want him to be in basketball shape he has to play to get in shape

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I'm sorry, I tought you would be outraged by now with a Spurs player getting injured playing for his NT. I fully expected 'Now Tony will have a lot of time to update his Facebook page' or some such retarded comment from you.
You disappoint me ducks... :nope

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Slow your roll and look at the big pic. He is out of shape and that is not smart, but the injury was minor and it is too early to say the season is over. He just has to be smart and not rush anything. He needs to work to get back into shape before trying to compete at a high level.

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Originally Posted by timaios

The French NT team began training camp the 12th of July. And Tony played 12 min against a really bad team after 2 weeks of training.
A little spained ankle for a basketball player... it's a minor injury !
Get over it. Tony will, in 1 or maybe 2 weeks.

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Am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Well I doubt he's "very" out of shape. It's not like he's been laying on the couch eating gallons of ice cream and never going to the gym. People were just referring to him being winded and the such... in other words, not being in game shape.

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Fair enough. Just saying that being out of shape and going too hard can leave you more susceptible to injury if you are not careful. Just want him to take it easy. I know it is hard as an competitor to hold back even though you might not be completely ready.

I get your point that he cannot be game fit without playing in games. But I was referring to being in a little better shape so he was closer to game ready. That way, it is not like he is far behind or having to jump into competitive games while trying to get into game shape at the same time. But I could be off, and maybe he is not as out of shape as some are leading on...

Third preparation game:
France 84
Czech republic 66

De Colo: 6 points in 17 min.

stats: http://www.basketfrance.com/_fbs/0910/edf_6.pdf

KBP is gay. :D

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Third preparation game:
France 84
Czech republic 66

De Colo: 6 points in 17 min.

stats: http://www.basketfrance.com/_fbs/0910/edf_6.pdf

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Not too shabby...

Getting hurt in international play? Where have I seenthis before?

:pctoss

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Some guys are prone to injury and some guys (due in part to body type) are not. TP seems like the latter so I wouldn't be too worried.

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Tony gets hurt almost every summer he plays for the NT.

That pisses me off. I guess there isn't a whole lot the Spurs can do about it though. I wonder how long it will be until we start seeing something in their contracts about international play.

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Originally Posted by ploto

Tony gets hurt almost every summer he plays for the NT.

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he got hurt 2 times before (2006 and 2007). He's playing for the NT since 2001.

In 2006, he got a broken finger because his finger got stuck in someone's jersey. He's not injury prone.

fuckkkkkkkkkk

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That pisses me off. I guess there isn't a whole lot the Spurs can do about it though. I wonder how long it will be until we start seeing something in their contracts about international play.

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The NBA already ruled that teams cannot do that. The reason is it means Team USA would have all NCAA players. Good luck with those 10th places Olympic finished if you send all NCAA players.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

TP is out for few days because he sprained his right ankle yesterday.

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Immediate reaction:

:wow:wow:wow:wow:depressed:depressed:bang:bang:ihi t:ihit:nope:nope

Now that I've got that out of my system: I'm glad it wasn't serious and he should heal quickly since he's a youngster. And if we recall, he injured his ankle early in the season and look how well he played so.........:king

Yes, for the moment no reason to panic. The injury seems small and they will be careful with him. France NT next and last preparation game is Thursday, TP likely won't play it by precautionary measure.

et merde..j'ai acheté 3 places pr le voir jouer...et il jouera pas...déjà quand je suis allé a san antonio je l'ai vu jouer que une fois sur 3!!
en même temps je préfére le voir assurer a san antonio plus qu'en EDF limite...

I never understand the exaggerated reactions that people have about off season play. These guys are basketball players-- that's what they do. If it wasn't organized basketball in Europe, it would be streetball or pick up games at a local gym or celebrity games with other players. Would people get mad if Parker was playing a pick up game at a gym in San Antonio with George Hill, Roger Mason, and Manu and sprained his ankle? It's ridiculous to expect an extremely talented professional basketball player who has been obsessed with playing basketball his whole life to just stop playing for 3 months, and besides it doesn't make sense. Why would someone at the top of his game want to let any amount of rust set in?

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I never understand the exaggerated reactions that people have about off season play. These guys are basketball players-- that's what they do. If it wasn't organized basketball in Europe, it would be streetball or pick up games at a local gym or celebrity games with other players. Would people get mad if Parker was playing a pick up game at a gym in San Antonio with George Hill, Roger Mason, and Manu and sprained his ankle? It's ridiculous to expect an extremely talented professional basketball player who has been obsessed with playing basketball his whole life to just stop playing for 3 months, and besides it doesn't make sense. Why would someone at the top of his game want to let any amount of rust set in?

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yep...so nice. someone who makes sense :toast

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Originally Posted by Tully365

I never understand the exaggerated reactions that people have about off season play. These guys are basketball players-- that's what they do. If it wasn't organized basketball in Europe, it would be streetball or pick up games at a local gym or celebrity games with other players. Would people get mad if Parker was playing a pick up game at a gym in San Antonio with George Hill, Roger Mason, and Manu and sprained his ankle? It's ridiculous to expect an extremely talented professional basketball player who has been obsessed with playing basketball his whole life to just stop playing for 3 months, and besides it doesn't make sense. Why would someone at the top of his game want to let any amount of rust set in?

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Playing pick up basketball and working yourself back into shape is different than playing high level world competition with your country's pride on the line. I love international basketball and there are always some inherent risks when playing sports.

But players should be smart about things and try and limit the injuries as much as possible. Just take care of yourself, work yourself back into shape, don't try and do too much and monitor any minor bumps and bruises so they do not become worse.

Parker trained with his NT for two weeks before the injury and he sprained his ankle against f-ing AUSTRIA !

Of course he was wearing a France jersey, but you cannot really say it was "high level world competition with your countries pride on the line". TP was simply working himself back into shape and happened to (mildly) sprain his ankle like he does so often because he's a little bit fragile at those areas.

He even said in an interview that he put his feet and ankles in buckets of ice after trainings and game - he's been paying attention, but that was not enough. So what? He'll be fine in a week.

^ Do you realize that Parker's "back in shape" program, has been established by Spurs. He was followed one week by Pop and another by Mike Brungardt.

You can continue to say that TO hasn't been "smart" while he has done what Spurs' staff wanted him to do.

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^ Do you realize that Parker's "back in shape" program, has been established by Spurs. He was followed one week by Pop and another by Mike Brungardt.

You can continue to say that TO hasn't been "smart" while he has done what Spurs' staff wanted him to do.

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I said I want him to be smart. I did not say he was an idiot. I said that trying to play at a high level when not in shape is not smart. I said I want him to take it easy and not try and do too much too fast because his competitive juices are flowing.

I am happy that he is being very careful with this minor injury and not pushing to play a ton of minutes, even though he probably could.

And I do not "keep saying it"...I have already said I may have overstated/misinterpreted the reports of him being out of shape. My main concern is that if he is very out of shape, that he do not try and rush it back and if he gets injured (like he has) that he take the proper precautions. He seems to be doing that, so I am fine.