Because, hey, I can sell you food. It must not be a right...
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Because, hey, I can sell you food. It must not be a right...
To be fair, I'm sure many people would argue it IS a good.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
I believe in Nietzsche's idea that the more 'useless' people a society can support, the stronger that society will be viewed. I'm ok with programs that give food, shelter and clothing to those without.
However, many libertarian-minded individuals argue that people should not be FORCED into contributing to those things with taxes, and instead, believe money should be funneled to those in need through charities, donations, etc etc.
I'm ok with the former in most cases, but I think the latter is more morally acceptable.
Obviously a single food payer arrangement is needed then.
Non-state run charity? Imagine that.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
Do you think I have a right to make someone provide food for me? Why isn’t that slavery?
Food is not a right.
And saying, "hey, I can sell you ___" is a bullshit argument. Everything can theoretically be bought and sold. Everything has a price. Everything.
Even those things that we consider to be rights---such as our procedural and substantive due process rights, for instance---have a price and can theoretically be bought and sold.
Only if you're willing to sell or buy them.Quote:
Originally Posted by doobs
If you're "not" willing to sell . . . that just means your price is high.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
Make no mistake. Everything is for sale.
Strangely enough, obesity is a serious problem affecting the underprivileged class.
Eh, I disagree. What of people who died instead of renouncing their religion during the Spanish Inquisition? What about those who stormed the beaches in Normandy? What about the man who stood in front of that tank at Tianemen Square?Quote:
Originally Posted by doobs
I would argue that some people's beliefs CAN'T be bought or sold. Some people hold their beliefs too close to themselves, and would rather die than sell/give them up.
From what I've read, it's mostly due to the high-caloric but low-nutrient value of 'cheaper' foods. The body still craves sustenance due to low nutrients, but people don't know any better and buy high-caloric food to fill themselves up.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
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Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
40 oz malt beverages don't help either.
Maybe we should put all low income people on vegan diets. The govt knows what's best for the people.
Or, maybe we should put that "will work for food" theory to the test.
Your examples are, um, puzzling.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
The man who stood in front of the tank at Tiananmen? What do you think he would have done if the CCP offered him a million dollars that morning to stay home? Five million dollars? Ten million dollars? A billion dollars?
The soldiers who stormed the beaches in Normandy? All of them had a price. They were risking life and limb for their country . . . but there was some dollar amount that would have convinced them to not fight. I don't mean that to sound disrespectful. I'm sure most of them had a price that was astronomically high.
The Jews during the Inquisition? Again, they all had a price. It's just that the Inquisitors weren't giving them a good offer. It was: (1) convert and live as second-class citizens in Spain; or (2) die for their beliefs. Had the Inquisitors sweetened the deals with land and money and such . . . you get what I'm saying. Even the most principled and religious Jews had a price---it's just that the Inquisitors weren't offering them that price.
Give me an example of something you're not willing to do for a price, or something that you're not willing to part with for a price. At some point, you will agree to accept an offer.
I'll bite... There's plenty of things I would not do for any price. Renounce my freedom, give up my family, kill myself. That's just off the top of my head. There's definitely plenty more.Quote:
Originally Posted by doobs
You got duped, we get it. No need to spam every thread with your junk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursmania
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Originally Posted by ElNono
No need to be upset with a different opinion. I hardly call this spam.This thread is somewhat of a satire is it not? Thus, my pic.
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I'm not upset with your opinion. I'm annoyed that you repeatedly post Pajama TV press releases and your favorite cartoon on multiple threads. That's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursmania
I have no authority to stop you from doing it, I just figured I would communicate my disgust with the spamming.
spam (spm)Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursmania
- noun.
1. To send (a message) indiscriminately to multiple mailing lists, individuals, or newsgroups.
I posted the pjtv.com once on one thread. I posted this here (clearly a satirrical thread) and on one more thread. How is that "multiple" posts and "multiple threads?"Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Just because you don't agree with my opinion doesn't mean you have to be a tightwad. And thankfully, you are not a moderator.:toast
Therefore, your definition of spam is wrong as a description for my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
1. Renounce your freedom:Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
This is pretty vague, but let's assume you mean going to jail for life. Let's say you look exactly like Bill Gates. What if he murdered someone, was caught on videotape, and he offered you and your family a billion dollars if you accepted responsibility for the crime? You wouldn't take that offer? That's a billion dollars. Your family would be set for life. What about ten billion dollars?
2. Give up your family:
Are you sure there's no price you'd consider? Really? No doubt the price would be extremely high, but my point is that there is a price.
3. Kill yourself:
Again, imagine someone offers you a billion dollars to kill yourself. Your family would be set for life. People do this in real life, actually, and for less money. (Life insurance proceeds.)
You know how to count?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursmania
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=193
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...22&postcount=2
Nope. Not even 10 quadrillion or any sum bigger than that. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by doobs
I really wouldn't. You can call me a fool or whatever.
Still, I don't count multiple, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
So, I forgot about that article. Big deal. 2 posts of much interest to those of us who want to see this comparison on Canadian healthcare versus U.S. healthcare on Thursday. What's the problem with that?
Wow- 2 posts on 2 threads-one being a satirical thread. Give me a break:rolleyes
You'll get a break wether I like it or not. Like you said, I'm not a mod.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursmania
I don't think you're a fool, I just don't think you're being honest with yourself. Your price, I'm sure, is prohibitively high. That's what makes you a decent person and not a whore.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
But there is a price.
It is a travesty that in a country as advanced as ours, that we could have a for-profit food industry.Quote:
Originally Posted by RandomGuy
I am. I would rather die the poorest man ever than to sell that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by doobs
Plus don't forget that past a certain amount, offering more really makes no difference: That much money simply doesn't exist.
guns = a right = you have the right to buy them
health care = a right = you have the right to buy it
That would have a lot to do with the cheapest foods (McDonald's 99 cent menu anyone?) being the foods that are the worst for you. It's expensive to eat organic, healthy, complementary proteins.Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
Eh, this sort of theoretical game is near useless. You could always keep upping the ante in a pointless manner.Quote:
Originally Posted by doobs
"Oh yeah? So people have died for their country? I bet they wouldn't have for A GAZILLION DOLLARS!"
If you say everyone has a price in terms of dollar amounts, I heartily disagree, and really, there's no way to prove either of us right or wrong.