Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

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07-22-2009
vednam

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

In all honesty, it is much better to have a dominate big man than a dominate guard. If I had a choice between building around a 22 year old Duncan or a 22 year old Bryant it would be Duncan all the way. With the exception of the Jordan teams, the team that dominates the paint wins. Why? Because the paint is where the easy baskets are scored. If you score more easy baskets than the other team then you have a good chance of winning.

Please, it's "dominant big man" not "dominate big man".
07-22-2009
daslicer

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

I would say 2003 Duncan was better then any great years that Kobe had including his MVP season last year. Duncan had broken Wilt Chamberlain's record for most consective 30-10 games during tha playoff run in '03. Thats just how dominant he was that year on both ends of the floor. On top of that he had no all-stars on that '03 team and still manage to win the title. Bottom line Kobe needs a shitload of talent to win more then anyother superstar thats why I would say he's not as big of a game changer Duncan is.
07-22-2009
Johnny RIngo

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Well when you're playing with Kobe, there's a chance that he'll make a video about you, asking for you to be traded, and throwing you under the bus..why would anybody want to go through that?..

There's also the chance that he tries to take over an entire series to get out of your shadow..in the NBA Finals of all places..

Oh, and don't forget the possibility of him snitching on you if he knows anything personal about you..

There's also the chance that he'll quit on your team in a game 7, because he feels like you aren't worthy of being his teammate..

what a great teammate and all-around human being..

shit, Duncan never complained when the Lakers used to swarm him, but nobody on the perimeter could ever make a shot until he got help a few years later in 2003, leading to countless meltdowns in the 4th quarter..he's never complained about not having a legit big man to help him out since Admiral left..he didn't complain last year when we were eliminated in the 1st round, clearly needing more talent..

when he didn't have any all-star caliber players in 2003, but had some improving players that were coming up..what did he do?..he carried us to a title..

the FO repaid him by getting him players out of respect, as Holt and RC have said..

what does Kobe do when he's upset?..he threatens to sign with the Clippers if Shaq isn't gone..he cries to the media for weeks about wanting to leave, makes videos about Bynum, throws the entire organization under the bus like a baby..asks to go to Chicago, but refuses to let the Lakers get anything back in return..

finally Jerry West helps him out by giving him an All-Star for nothing, and now he's happy again..we'll see for how long..

what a piece of shit..

Don't forget the fact that Kobe refused to play for any team but the Lakers when he was drafted.
07-22-2009
BoricuaCJA

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

When you guys say Kobe or LBJ would eat up his minutes, I think that is just a dumb reason. They would just change positions. SG-Kobe SF- Dr.J SG-Dr.J SF LBJ vice versa. Now it is true he would rather play with Duncan b/c easy buckets, rebounding, blocking, post player etc.
07-22-2009
ChumpDumper

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

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Originally Posted by lakaluva

He could do that as well, but he would easily go from star to supporting cast. Thats my whole point.

Like when Kobe was part of Shaq's supporting cast.
07-22-2009
benefactor

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

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Originally Posted by lakaluva

Dude, losses to the Mavs may as well be missed playoff seasons. Stop reaching for crumbs. Kobe led his team to team of the decade.

So missing the playoffs altogether and 42-40 = losing to the Mavs in the first round...for the first time in 9 years.

Sounds like I'm not the one that is reaching.
07-22-2009
FireDavidStern

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

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Originally Posted by lakaluva

Dude, losses to the Mavs may as well be missed playoff seasons. Stop reaching for crumbs. Kobe led his team to team of the decade.

"The team of the decade" spent three seasons missing the playoffs, losing to the (Amar'eless) Suns 4-3 (with Kobe quitting in game 7) in the first round and then losing in the first round to the Suns 4-1. As oppose to the Spurs who lost 2 in the first round and both times was because of injury to a main player (Duncan 2000, Ginobili 2009) and they have won the same number of titles and had a better winning percentage in the decade. But of course the lakers are the "team" of the decade
07-22-2009
Nathan Explosion

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

First off, the Spurs are the team of the decade. They have a higher winning percentage and Duncan has the same amount of rings as Kobe. Plus, Duncan never played alongside the most dominant big man of his generation.

In fact, both Duncan and Shaq have a higher winning percentage than Kobe. Again, winning is the name of the game, and Duncan has a higher winning percentage than Kobe, therefore, Duncan is better than Kobe.

ESPN and Kobe lover may not like it, but Duncan is the best player of this generation.
07-22-2009
Nathan Explosion

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

Oh yeah, and for those that wouldn't pick Magic as your PG, you're just on crack. Magic is hands down the greatest PG ever and arguably one of the 5 best players to ever play the game.

Name me another PG that could run the break like Magic, play the PG position as well as him, and then in a pinch, slide over to center in the Finals and lead you're team to victory.
07-22-2009
Nathan Explosion

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

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Originally Posted by lakaluva

Six finals appearances to three. Same conference. Lakers have the head to head advantage. Its a wash. Doesnt matter who played with who, its a team sport.

Winning is important, right? And Duncan is a greater winner than Kobe. That's not an opinion, but a fact.

FACT: The Spurs have the highest winning percentage of any team in the NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL since Duncan arrived.

FACT: Duncan has a higher winning percentage than Kobe.

FACT: Duncan has more individual accolades than Kobe does.

How is this even a discussion?
07-22-2009
Cry Havoc

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

The 2003 Spurs MIGHT have made it out of the first round with Kobe.

Instead of, you know, winning a title with Tim at the reins.
07-22-2009
Nathan Explosion

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

ALL-TIME PLAYER WINNING PERCENTAGES
PLAYER REG. SEASON PLAYOFFS
Larry Bird .736 .604
Manu Ginobili .724 .654
Sam Jones .718 .649
Bill Russell .717 .648
Tony Parker .716 .615
Tim Duncan .712 .631
Scottie Pippen .688 .654
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar .688 .650
Magic Johnson .674 .740
Shaquille O'Neal .672 .601
Robert Horry .671 .635
Michael Jordan .659 .665
Bob Cousy .655 .578
Jerry West .638 .569

There are some interesting things about this list, but for the most part, the players on this list are all time greats. Only a handful of players weren't all time greats and I think we all know who they are when we see them.

If you notice Duncan is on this list, and I'd highlight Kobe's winning percentage except, it doesn't show up on the list.
07-22-2009
elbamba

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

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Originally Posted by wildbill2u

The game has changed so much because of the 'play nice with other rules'. I don't know if Tony could have played back in the day when some real nasty dudes patrolled the paint and absolutely would take a guy's head off. Enforcers like Maurice Lucas and Rich Jones weren't worried about suspensions or fines because they didn't really exist for just 'rough play'.

I think Tony would have been fine. There were plenty of small guards that played in those times, look at Calvin Murphy. Players would adapt as they need to. Plus, Tony played overseas where they play rough. He was also playing with men when he was 15-16 years old.
07-22-2009
elbamba

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

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Originally Posted by lakaluva

Six finals appearances to three. Same conference. Lakers have the head to head advantage. Its a wash. Doesnt matter who played with who, its a team sport.

Kobe was not good enough to get his team to the level of the Spurs in 2005, 2006 and 2007. Spurs dominated LA all three of those years and probably would have won 4-0 or 4-1.

Tim has also won 4 finals not three. And Tim performs on the highest level, he has never let his team fail in the finals, unlike Kobe.
07-22-2009
Gino20

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

The Doctor knows what he is talking about!!! Great (traditional) big men are hard to come by during these NBA days. Guards are a dime of dozen...no surprises here!!!
07-22-2009
Russ

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

Dr. J is an ABA loyalist from way back. Don't lose sight of that little wrinkle. :)
07-22-2009
RenaldoBalkman

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

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Originally Posted by Nathan Explosion

Oh yeah, and for those that wouldn't pick Magic as your PG, you're just on crack. Magic is hands down the greatest PG ever and arguably one of the 5 best players to ever play the game.

Name me another PG that could run the break like Magic, play the PG position as well as him, and then in a pinch, slide over to center in the Finals and lead you're team to victory.

Shaun Livingston.

6'9 Point Guard.
07-22-2009
exstatic

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

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Originally Posted by Seventyniner

Of course, this devolved into a pissing match between Spurs and Lakers fans over who is better all time: Duncan or Bryant.

There's a strong case to be made for each, and fans are going to support their own player.

Actually, there is no case to be made for Kobe as GOAT. He isn't even the GOAT at position. He'll always be L'il Mike.
07-22-2009
SteelerNation

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

I've always said I could careless who is better than who as long as the rings keep coming in. Just like people telling me Peyton Manning is better than Big Ben. I shrug and laugh and say Big Ben has 2 rings...Peyton 1. I dont care if Big Ben completes 30% of his passes and Peyton 100%...as long as the Steelers keep winning championships. Do you think people in Utah can feel good that Karl malone is better than Horace Grant even though Horace Grant is a 4 time NBA champion?
07-22-2009
SouthTexasRancher

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

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Originally Posted by lakaluva

Dude, losses to the Mavs may as well be missed playoff seasons. Stop reaching for crumbs. Kobe led his team to team of the decade.

laka, laka, lakaluva, may I remind you that Kobe does NOT play for the Spurs. Everyone worldwide considers the Spurs as the team of the Decade!!! Teams of the Decade do NOT get their asses kicked twice in the Finals. Sheeeeeeshhh kid, are you really this out of touch with reality! Also the rapist did NOT lead the LaLa Land Fakers to anything other than this past season's championship....a weakened version I might add. Everyone on the planet knows had KG not been knocked out of the playoffs with the knee injury that your little girlieboy team would have had their sorry asses kicked two years in a row. That ass-kicking your team took in the 2008 NBA Finals at the hands of the Boston Celtics was probably the most embarrASSing Finals for a team as any of us ever witnessed. Even more embarrASSing than the 2006 Mavettes ass-kicking by the Shaq led Miami Heat. You and your little faker friends need to get this through your numbskulls! :ihit
07-22-2009
mabrignani

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

Well when you're playing with Kobe, there's a chance that he'll make a video about you, asking for you to be traded, and throwing you under the bus..why would anybody want to go through that?..

There's also the chance that he tries to take over an entire series to get out of your shadow..in the NBA Finals of all places..

Oh, and don't forget the possibility of him snitching on you if he knows anything personal about you..

There's also the chance that he'll quit on your team in a game 7, because he feels like you aren't worthy of being his teammate..

what a great teammate and all-around human being..

shit, Duncan never complained when the Lakers used to swarm him, but nobody on the perimeter could ever make a shot until he got help a few years later in 2003, leading to countless meltdowns in the 4th quarter..he's never complained about not having a legit big man to help him out since Admiral left..he didn't complain last year when we were eliminated in the 1st round, clearly needing more talent..

when he didn't have any all-star caliber players in 2003, but had some improving players that were coming up..what did he do?..he carried us to a title..

the FO repaid him by getting him players out of respect, as Holt and RC have said..

what does Kobe do when he's upset?..he threatens to sign with the Clippers if Shaq isn't gone..he cries to the media for weeks about wanting to leave, makes videos about Bynum, throws the entire organization under the bus like a baby..asks to go to Chicago, but refuses to let the Lakers get anything back in return..

finally Jerry West helps him out by giving him an All-Star for nothing, and now he's happy again..we'll see for how long..

what a piece of shit..

haha what a great rant. i agree totally, you should get on jim rome's radio show.
07-23-2009
draft87

Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan

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Originally Posted by lakaluva

Rick Barry wouldnt even make the all-star in todays game. He was a player of his time. Dr. J was a beast for his time as well. I saw what a 19 year old Rookie Magic did to Dr. J in the finals. Thats all I need to know.

try saying that to ol' rick's face. we'll see how wise that filthy mouth of yours is.....

p.s. what did the 19 year old kobe do in the finals? oops, he didn't make it. the 20 year old kobe? um, he got SWEPT* in the 2nd round.
*fucked up by a bunch of 'old' dudes.

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