Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan
Come to think of it, even though the Spurs lost this year in the first round; it's nothing compared to the magnanimity and humiliation that the Lakers received in the 08 Finals. Yeah I agree, if KG didn't go down this year, these Fakers are probably getting their collective nuts kicked. I wouldn't be too confident if I were the Lakers. They just won a championship when contending teams' best players were injured
Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan
:lmaoLaker fans rooting for rapist Kobe...:lmao
Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan
Timmy D seems to get a lot of respect and recognition from many of the greatest players who ever played the game. In a court of law that doesn't exactly translate into him being the best. But they are one hell of an endorsement.
Re: Dr. J: I'd Take Duncan
At the end of their respective careers, Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe. Kobe has to live under the shadow of MJ when everything is said and done. Duncan on the other hand is already considered the greatest PF to ever play the game, way before his retirement.
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i think being a contender every single year, and not drifting off into irrelevence like the Lakers did for three years, one of which they mssed the playoffs entirely, is the reason the Spurs should be considered the team of the decade.
you can argue both ways, but i believe the Spurs etched themselves the title of team of the decade on the 2010's tombstone because of their longevity, and the three championships that accompanied it.
and, just food for thought: :wakeup
amazing thing is if it weren't for a .4 shot and a very stupid foul by Ginbolili, the Spurs could very well have five championships this decade, basically making it a no-brainer that they are team of the decade.
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I hear where Dr.J is coming from ...notice he didnt mention Shaq? He also called Duncan a center ...duh! Been saying he is a center for years only Duncan and the SPurs FO try to masquerade him at PF he hasnt really been one since David left...especially in big moments or games ...
Duncan is the best big man of his era dont see how some Spurs fans could argue Shaq ...
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mingus
i think being a contender every single year, and not drifting off into irrelevence like the Lakers did for three years, one of which they mssed the playoffs entirely, is the reason the Spurs should be considered the team of the decade.
you can argue both ways, but i believe the Spurs etched themselves the title of team of the decade on the 2010's tombstone because of their longevity, and the three championships that accompanied it.
and, just food for thought: :wakeup
amazing thing is if it weren't for a .4 shot and a very stupid foul by Ginbolili, the Spurs could very well have five championships this decade, basically making it a no-brainer that they are team of the decade.
Sorry the only no brainer is to make that conclusive ...Spurs where the MOST consistent byt Lakers have 4 titles out of 10 with 6 Finals appearnces. It's either they are tied if you count finals ...Lakers are. Mavs made the playoffs all decade to what does that get them?
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FireDavidStern
"The team of the decade" spent three seasons missing the playoffs, losing to the (Amar'eless) Suns 4-3 (with Kobe quitting in game 7) in the first round and then losing in the first round to the Suns 4-1. As oppose to the Spurs who lost 2 in the first round and both times was because of injury to a main player (Duncan 2000, Ginobili 2009) and they have won the same number of titles and had a better winning percentage in the decade. But of course the lakers are the "team" of the decade
Excuses ! again titles all that matter ...so they are tied ..plus the Lakers had 2 other chances at it ...
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Seventyniner
I think Duncan's had a better career than Bryant
off the court especially :hat
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lakaluva
Dude, losses to the Mavs may as well be missed playoff seasons. Stop reaching for crumbs. Kobe led his team to team of the decade.
Shaq carried the Lakers to three consecutive titles, not Kobe. Who wins 3 Finals MVP during that period? Shaq, not Kobe. Stop fooling yourself.
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ezau
At the end of their respective careers, Duncan >>>>>>>>>>>>>Kobe. Kobe has to live under the shadow of MJ when everything is said and done. Duncan on the other hand is already considered the greatest PF to ever play the game, way before his retirement.
Very well said. :toast :toast :toast
Kobe tries all things "To Be Like Mike", including wagging his tounge while driving!
Duncan is comfortable being who he is!
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HarlemHeat37
what does Kobe do when he's upset?..he threatens to sign with the Clippers if Shaq isn't gone..he cries to the media for weeks about wanting to leave, makes videos about Bynum, throws the entire organization under the bus like a baby..asks to go to Chicago, but refuses to let the Lakers get anything back in return..
It's called being a prima-donna. :whine
Duncan is spelled m-a-t-u-r-e. He's all about team.
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ezau
Come to think of it, even though the Spurs lost this year in the first round; it's nothing compared to the magnanimity and humiliation that the Lakers received in the 08 Finals. Yeah I agree, if KG didn't go down this year, these Fakers are probably getting their collective nuts kicked. I wouldn't be too confident if I were the Lakers. They just won a championship when contending teams' best players were injured
Agreed. Put an (*) on their Shaq-less "title". :lmao
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HarlemHeat37
Well when you're playing with Kobe, there's a chance that he'll make a video about you, asking for you to be traded, and throwing you under the bus..why would anybody want to go through that?..
There's also the chance that he tries to take over an entire series to get out of your shadow..in the NBA Finals of all places..
Oh, and don't forget the possibility of him snitching on you if he knows anything personal about you..
There's also the chance that he'll quit on your team in a game 7, because he feels like you aren't worthy of being his teammate..
what a great teammate and all-around human being..
shit, Duncan never complained when the Lakers used to swarm him, but nobody on the perimeter could ever make a shot until he got help a few years later in 2003, leading to countless meltdowns in the 4th quarter..he's never complained about not having a legit big man to help him out since Admiral left..he didn't complain last year when we were eliminated in the 1st round, clearly needing more talent..
when he didn't have any all-star caliber players in 2003, but had some improving players that were coming up..what did he do?..he carried us to a title..
the FO repaid him by getting him players out of respect, as Holt and RC have said..
what does Kobe do when he's upset?..he threatens to sign with the Clippers if Shaq isn't gone..he cries to the media for weeks about wanting to leave, makes videos about Bynum, throws the entire organization under the bus like a baby..asks to go to Chicago, but refuses to let the Lakers get anything back in return..
finally Jerry West helps him out by giving him an All-Star for nothing, and now he's happy again..we'll see for how long..
what a piece of shit..
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Nathan Explosion
For those trying to argue that Kobe is a better player than Duncan, all you have to do is check the most meaningful stat of all.
Duncan has a higher winning percentage than Kobe, both regular season and post season.
Kobe didn't even break the Top 15. Simmons had the Elias Sports Bureau do the work to find that out and that's what happened.
Duncan has more Finals MVPs and Regular season MVPs than Kobe. And he wins at a better clip than Kobe.
And seeing as how the name of the game is to win, how can anyone argue that Kobe is better than Duncan win Kobe doesn't win as much as Duncan?
Mate.
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Phila_Chamberlain
In all honesty, it is much better to have a dominate big man than a dominate guard. If I had a choice between building around a 22 year old Duncan or a 22 year old Bryant it would be Duncan all the way. With the exception of the Jordan teams, the team that dominates the paint wins. Why? Because the paint is where the easy baskets are scored. If you score more easy baskets than the other team then you have a good chance of winning.
yup. this is elementary.
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lakaluva
So, you'd take Duncan over Magic?
Magic was a great player. Duncan was just as great. You could pick either and not be faulted for it. I would select Duncan only because he's a big.
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lakaluva
Exactly!!! Dr. J played the two guard, and the small forward position. He mainly played the 3 spot. If he played with James, he would only get spot minutes cause James plays huge minutes, and if he played with Kobe, he would get whatever Kobe left over. Both Kobe and James are far superior in talent than Dr. J. Dr. J even took back seat to Andrew Toney when he arrived, and it would be no different with James and Kobe.
It would only make sense that he would want to play with a big man, and he even stated that in the article, but stupid Spur fan twisted it as a diss to Kobe and James. I just put it in prospective, that's all.
just shut up, you are making yourself look stupid. I bet you think Jordan would backup kobe and Lebron? Dr J would be the premier guy in the league if he were in the league today, he did things back in the 70's and 80's that Lebron still couldn't do today.
Dr J was the first guy to dunk a basketball leaping from the free throw line. Kobe might be able to copy it but in the league right now there are probably 3 or 4 guys that have that ability.
Jordan would tell you he emulated his game after Dr J, Kobe emulated his game after Jordan. And even Dr J wasn't the original, that goes to Mr Connie Hawkins who was the first skywalker in the NBA.
I swear laker fans are the dumbest fans in the history of fans.
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HarlemHeat37
Well when you're playing with Kobe, there's a chance that he'll make a video about you, asking for you to be traded, and throwing you under the bus..why would anybody want to go through that?..
There's also the chance that he tries to take over an entire series to get out of your shadow..in the NBA Finals of all places..
Oh, and don't forget the possibility of him snitching on you if he knows anything personal about you..
There's also the chance that he'll quit on your team in a game 7, because he feels like you aren't worthy of being his teammate..
what a great teammate and all-around human being..
shit, Duncan never complained when the Lakers used to swarm him, but nobody on the perimeter could ever make a shot until he got help a few years later in 2003, leading to countless meltdowns in the 4th quarter..he's never complained about not having a legit big man to help him out since Admiral left..he didn't complain last year when we were eliminated in the 1st round, clearly needing more talent..
when he didn't have any all-star caliber players in 2003, but had some improving players that were coming up..what did he do?..he carried us to a title..
the FO repaid him by getting him players out of respect, as Holt and RC have said..
what does Kobe do when he's upset?..he threatens to sign with the Clippers if Shaq isn't gone..he cries to the media for weeks about wanting to leave, makes videos about Bynum, throws the entire organization under the bus like a baby..asks to go to Chicago, but refuses to let the Lakers get anything back in return..
finally Jerry West helps him out by giving him an All-Star for nothing, and now he's happy again..we'll see for how long..
what a piece of shit..
This is 100% on the money......I'm not just trying to bump an old thread, I haven't been on here in over a month, and this is the first chance I had to visit the board in a while.
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Phila_Chamberlain
In all honesty, it is much better to have a dominate big man than a dominate guard. If I had a choice between building around a 22 year old Duncan or a 22 year old Bryant it would be Duncan all the way. With the exception of the Jordan teams, the team that dominates the paint wins. Why? Because the paint is where the easy baskets are scored. If you score more easy baskets than the other team then you have a good chance of winning.
I hate doing this but I have to. I understand what you are saying but its false. You do know in the last 23 years in the Finals that the only big men to win the MVP are Duncan, Shaq, and Hakeem...right? The rest are guards and small forwards..Jordan, Thomas, Dumars, Worthy, Magic, Kobe, Pierce, Parker, Wade, Bird, and Billups.
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lakaluva
So, you'd take Duncan over Magic?
I would. And I'd take Magic over Kobe or James.
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SteelerNation
I hate doing this but I have to. I understand what you are saying but its false. You do know in the last 23 years in the Finals that the only big men to win the MVP are Duncan, Shaq, and Hakeem...right? The rest are guards and small forwards..Jordan, Thomas, Dumars, Worthy, Magic, Kobe, Pierce, Parker, Wade, Bird, and Billups.
Uhm actually what he said is true of course perimeter players are going to win the finals MVP more then bigmen because they get the ball the most which leads to more scoring opportunities. Plus the double teams the bigmen recieve it leads to more easy scoring opportunities for the guard to score. Look at the '07 finals Parker wasn't the best player on the spurs but because of the Cav's tripple and double teaming Duncan it lead to Parker getting easy baskets thus helping him win the MVP. Also your example is bs look at all those guys who have won the MVP besides Jordan and Dumars and you will see they all played on teams that had all-star 7fters or dominant 7fters. Worthy and Magic had Jabbar, Kobe had Shaq then Gasol, Pierce had KG, Wade had Shaq, Bird had Parish, Billups had Sheed. In all these scenarios take away that 7fter and their team doesn't win shit and maybe is a mediocre team. So I don't buy it in my book a talented 7fter will always be more valuable then a perimeter player. The only exception to this rule has been MJ and it could possibly apply to Lebron if he wins a few titles.
