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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Originally Posted by
Nathan Explosion
In this current Spurs era, if you could choose a player not named Tim Duncan to be the embodiment of the Spurs, Bowen's name would pop up more than a few times.
Bowen did whatever it took to win. He wasn't stylish and didn't make SportsCenter, but he was a professional through and through. Night in and night out he did the dirty work needed to slow down elite players.
Kobe may have scored points on Bruce, but he scored at a clip of a point a shot, which is not a good percentage. The more shots an elite player takes, the less he's getting his team involved and is actually hurting the team's cause. That was Bowen's job.
Bowen's game is never going to show up in the numbers. Bowen's game was about winning, not stats, and in that, he was up there with some of the Spurs greats.
BTW, the Lakers equivelant of retiring Bowen's number would probably be Horry. Horry hit countless big shots, but the underrated part of his game was doing whatever it took to win, especially defensively.
Horry and Bowen are smart, smart players who win games without showing up in the boxscore.
Well guess what? Lakers arent retiring Horry's number...they love the guy to death for what he did, he will always be remembered, and will likely get some type of tribute but he wont get his number retired. Also Rodman was the best defensive player of his time, best rebounder, etc and he has yet to have his number retired by the Bulls and it appears that it will never happen. IMO Rodman is even more deserving of the Bulls retiring his jersey than Bowen having the Spurs retire his.
Bowen was a huge part of our teams, no doubt...just like Horry was for the Lakers and Rodman was for the Bulls but at the end of the day they are still simply very good role players. Retiring their jerseys completely cheapens the act itself.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
Abso fucking lutely.
His jersey will be retired and should be retired. Some people are posting on here like we was a hired gun Pop used to get the team over the hump for two years. Have you guys not been watching the past 8 years?
There is such a thing as intangibles.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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baseline bum
lol, 7-8 from 3-point range. More proof he doesn't belong, let's see if he gets that without Duncan sucking up his defender nearly ever possession.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Originally Posted by
FkLA
Bowen was a huge part of our teams, no doubt...just like Horry was for the Lakers and Rodman was for the Bulls but at the end of the day they are still simply very good role players. Retiring their jerseys completely cheapens the act itself.
+1,000,000
You retire the jersey of franchise level players not role players who gave you 6 seasons of great defense and 7 points and 2 rebounds per game.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
Bowen's impact on the game AS A SPUR is incalculable, defense prowess then in early millenium years was not sexy, you can't dismiss the years when the Spurs success was predicated on defense first and offense second. Bowen led the parade. Bruce's All Defensive NBA team honors, how he was the call guy for lockdown late game assignments, Pop would Trust In Bruce and let loose the dog of war. Where's the ladder, hooks and rope, I'll put his jersey up there myself.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
I understand why everyone loves him but he wasn't great just very good so I don't think he belongs
Take a.j down to
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Originally Posted by
DMX7
lol, 7-8 from 3-point range. More proof he doesn't belong, let's see if he gets that without Duncan sucking up his defender nearly ever possession.
Yeah... 3 point shooting = bad.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
Everyone who thinks Bruce's jersey should NOT be retired here needs to be immediately fucking pinked.
I cant BELIEVE some supposed Spurs fans would argue against it just because of stats. The dude brought WAAAAAAYYY fucking more than just numbers. The guy was robbed 3 years out of DPOY nevermind his community contributions which supposedly was a major factor in A.J.'s jersey retirement.
bottom line, fuck you assholes who think his jersey shouldnt be retired... FUCK. YOU.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Originally Posted by
Kori Ellis
Playoffs 2005
Carmelo Anthony
Against Spurs, 19.2 ppg on 42%.
Ray Allen
Against Spurs, 21.5 ppg on 43%. (In the first round he had averaged 32ppg)
Shawn Marion
Against Spurs, 7.8 ppg on 39%. (Over the first two rounds he had averaged over 22ppg on over 50% shooting)
Rip Hamilton
Against Spurs, 16.7 ppg on 39%. (Over the first three rounds he had averaged over 20ppg on nearly 50% shooting)
Thank you for that. I knew that was my recollection that Bowen did some major work in that run, but it's nice to see the actual numbers. And the ownage of Shawn Marion was actually even worse than I thought!
As for everyone saying it would "cheapen the act of retiring a jersey", what does that even mean? There is no criteria for retiring one, no set of regulations. You do it for the players that meant the most to your team. I don't see how honoring a guy who was a CRITICAL part of 3 championships teams is in anyway cheap. Maybe other franchises wouldn't do it, but the Spurs won 4 titles doing a lot of things other franchises wouldn't do. Bruce may very well be the embodiment of that mindset right there. It's a crime if his jersey doesn't get raised.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Originally Posted by
phyzik
Everyone who thinks Bruce's jersey should NOT be retired here needs to be immediately fucking pinked.
I cant BELIEVE some supposed Spurs fans would argue against it just because of stats. The dude brought WAAAAAAYYY fucking more than just numbers. The guy was robbed 3 years out of DPOY nevermind his community contributions which supposedly was a major factor in A.J.'s jersey retirement.
bottom line, fuck you assholes who think his jersey shouldnt be retired... FUCK. YOU.
no fuck you ok so you want us pinked becuse we don't agree with you what the fuck is this spursreport
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Originally Posted by
phyzik
Everyone who thinks Bruce's jersey should NOT be retired here needs to be immediately fucking pinked.
I cant BELIEVE some supposed Spurs fans would argue against it just because of stats. The dude brought WAAAAAAYYY fucking more than just numbers. The guy was robbed 3 years out of DPOY nevermind his community contributions which supposedly was a major factor in A.J.'s jersey retirement.
bottom line, fuck you assholes who think his jersey shouldnt be retired... FUCK. YOU.
Spurs are the 4th most winningnest franchise in basketball in regards to titles...behind the Celtics, Lakers, and Bulls. There are standards for retiring jerseys and even moreso if you are one of the best franchises in the NBA's history. We cant just be retiring every single great role player's, that shit is ridiculous and cheapens the act.
You think the Lakers are retiring Fisher's and Horry's? You think the Bulls are retiring Kerr's or Rodman's? Those player played just as huge of roles on their respective teams as did Bowen on the Spurs. We should thank Bruce, always remember him, and tribute him but thats it. He does not deserve to have his jersey retired.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Originally Posted by
DMX7
lol, 7-8 from 3-point range. More proof he doesn't belong, let's see if he gets that without Duncan sucking up his defender nearly ever possession.
Check out Kobe's shooting percentage for that game as well. Bowen was a ridiculous .833 from the field. That's a fluke.
However, what wasn't a fluke was Kobe's shooting percentage, 27 points, 9 for 24 from the field, .333 FG percentage.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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pkbpkb81
no fuck you ok so you want us pinked becuse we don't agree with you what the fuck is this spursreport
He does have a point, whoever dosent think Bowen shouldent get his number retired is stupid :lol
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Originally Posted by
El Jefe
As for everyone saying it would "cheapen the act of retiring a jersey", what does that even mean? There is no criteria for retiring one, no set of regulations. You do it for the players that meant the most to your team. I don't see how honoring a guy who was a CRITICAL part of 3 championships teams is in anyway cheap. Maybe other franchises wouldn't do it, but the Spurs won 4 titles doing a lot of things other franchises wouldn't do. Bruce may very well be the embodiment of that mindset right there. It's a crime if his jersey doesn't get raised.
Exactly.
Malik Sealy is retired in Minny and Bobby Phills retired in N.O. just because they died. (No offense .. RIP) The Magic have number 6 retired as "Fans Sixth Man". There's no rules. If the Spurs just had David and Iceman up.. then I could see arguing that Timmy would be the only other to go up (relatively) soon. But with Sean, AJ etc in the rafters, I don't doubt for a second that Bowen is in their plans.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Originally Posted by
pkbpkb81
no fuck you ok so you want us pinked becuse we don't agree with you what the fuck is this spursreport
What Im saying is if A.J.'s jersey is retired there is NO FUCKING EXCUSE to NOT retire Bruce's jersey. He brought WAY more than that scrub who got 1 lucky shot in.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Originally Posted by
BuzzerBeater
Bowen's impact on the game AS A SPUR is incalculable, defense prowess then in early millenium years was not sexy, you can't dismiss the years when the Spurs success was predicated on defense first and offense second. Bowen led the parade. Bruce's All Defensive NBA team honors, how he was the call guy for lockdown late game assignments, Pop would Trust In Bruce and let loose the dog of war. Where's the ladder, hooks and rope, I'll put his jersey up there myself.
TRUE DAT !!! What he said ^
I'll hold the ladder for you.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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FkLA
Spurs are the 4th most winningnest franchise in basketball in regards to titles...behind the Celtics, Lakers, and Bulls.
As far as winning percentage is concerned, the Spurs are #3. FYI.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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FkLA
There are standards for retiring jerseys and even moreso if you are one of the best franchises in the NBA's history.
No, there really aren't.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Originally Posted by
FkLA
Spurs are the 4th most winningnest franchise in basketball in regards to titles...behind the Celtics, Lakers, and Bulls. There are standards for retiring jerseys and even moreso if you are one of the best franchises in the NBA's history. We cant just be retiring every single great role player's, that shit is ridiculous and cheapens the act.
You think the Lakers are retiring Fisher's and Horry's? You think the Bulls are retiring Kerr's or Rodman's? Those player played just as huge of roles on their respective teams as did Bowen on the Spurs. We should thank Bruce, always remember him, and tribute him but thats it. He does not deserve to have his jersey retired.
No, there are no "standards". Its not about Stats and being "the man". Just look up in the rafters and look at A.J.'s jersey for proof.
For the Spurs its about how they contributed to the team, regardless of stats, as well as how they contributed to the community.
If ANYONE fits those standards, its Bruce motherfucking Bowen.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Originally Posted by
Kori Ellis
Exactly.
Malik Sealy is retired in Minny and Bobby Phills retired in N.O. just because they died. (No offense .. RIP) The Magic have number 6 retired as "Fans Sixth Man". There's no rules. If the Spurs just had David and Iceman up.. then I could see arguing that Timmy would be the only other to go up (relatively) soon. But with Sean, AJ etc in the rafters, I don't doubt for a second that Bowen is in their plans.
Don't forget, Jordan's 23 is retired in Miami. If there were rules for this sort of thing, I'm pretty sure "Only players who have been on your roster" would be #1
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Nathan Explosion
You mean other than playing the best perimeter defense in the NBA for how many seasons now? If you need a reminder about how great Bowen was defensively, just take a look at the 2007 Finals again. Bowen was amazing guarding Lebron.
And if you need further proof of Bowen's superior defensive excellence, check out the waning moments of Game 7 of the 2005 NBA Finals versus the Pistons, when Bowen, out of a timeout, blocked Chauncey Billiups' game-ending shot at the buzzer.
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Nathan Explosion
Bowen deserves to have his jersey retired because his defense was a HUGE reason the Spurs won 3 titles. Not to mention how many timely shots he hit in the playoffs.
Bowen was THE elite, perimeter defender of his era and a perennial DPOY candidate - even thoiugh he never won the award. The Spurs entire defensive philosophy started with him. There's no doubt he deserves to have his number retired.
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As of late, the recent Spurs aren't your typical franchise. The Spurs just did what it took to win. Substance over style.
Bowen was the epitome of substance over style. Hence why he WILL get his number retired, regardless of what some people here think.
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Originally Posted by
phyzik
What Im saying is if A.J.'s jersey is retired there is NO FUCKING EXCUSE to NOT retire Bruce's jersey. He brought WAY more than that scrub who got 1 lucky shot in.
ok i see your point let's take a.j.'s down
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Re: Does Bowen's jersey get retired and hung from the rafters?
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Originally Posted by
Nathan Explosion
As far as winning percentage is concerned, the Spurs are #3. FYI.
Which is why I clearly said in regards to titles...Bulls have 6 fyi.
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Originally Posted by
phyzik
No, there are no "standards". Its not about Stats and being "the man". Just look up in the rafters and look at A.J.'s jersey for proof.
For the Spurs its about how they contributed to the team, regardless of stats, as well as how they contributed to the community.
AJ was the general of the 99' team homie, he was the point guard and ran the show...he wasnt just some 'scrub that hit a lucky shot'. With that said he was indeed an average player and I would be against his jersey retirement if it wasnt for the fact that he played a huge role in our very FIRST title. Winning the first title got the ball rolling for us, if we dont win that one who knows how things play out. The first of everything is usually very sentimental for everyone that is the only reason AJ's number is up there.
Again I ask u...Rodman and Kerr were equally as importan to the Bulls as Bowen to us, Fisher and Horry equally as important as Bowen to us. They arent getting their jerseys retired by those team, why should we? Look Bowen was great for the Spurs and he deserves tons of recognition noone is denying that, retiring a jersey though signifies alot though. And role players, regardless of how good they are do not deserve such a recognition.
