Possible targets with the Bonner+ Finley (+ Mason + Willams + X) package

Bell seems like the best fit. Perhaps Pop can talk LB into being our Jerry West. :)

I would also think that Bell is a great fit, but I agree with Bruno, why should the Bobcats want to trade him, especially for nothing (or not much) in return.
I mentioned DeShawn Stevenson as an trade target several times.
after the trade with the Wolves the Wizards back court is totally overloaded (Arenas, Foye, Crittenton, James, Mike Miller, Young, Butler, Stevenson) and they are tax payers. IMO they will try to move at least 2 players out of this group and I'm pretty sure they will listen to offers for Stevenson. hell, the Wizards are one of the few teams that would actually do god in trading a player straight for Bonner. (to replace Songaila). they would save money (1.4 million this season including tax and 4.1 next season) and balance their roster.

Bell is the most Spurslike. Maggetie and Jacks are volume shooters we no longer need. Miller would be a good fit starting at the #2. Nocioni's minutes would come from where?

Jared Jeffries is a nice athletic defender when healthy who can match up with the LO-types.

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Originally Posted by 2Cleva

Jared Jeffries is a nice athletic defender when healthy who can match up with the LO-types.

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I don't know much about him, honestly. New York would probably be willing to get rid of him for just Bonner + Finley (no picks or anything else), because they'll gain $6.5M in 2010 cap space.

But would the Spurs be willing to take on that much extra salary for another year? You'd think there would be a limit to how much they're willing to spend.

It's funny that Jeffries was signed to be a center in New York, but he's really a SF.

And if the Spurs wanted him, they probably wouldn't have signed Haislip. I don't know what the hurry was on Haislip anyway; the Spurs have sacrificed some roster flexibility by signing him so early in the offseason.

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Originally Posted by spursbird

Here's my list for possible targets:
C.J. Miles, Matt Harpring, Nick Young, James Singleton, Gerald Green, Ryan Gomes, Andreas Nocioni, Raja Bell, Jarvis Hayes, Luc Richard Mbah a Moute, Charlie Bell.

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I like Miles, Bell and Mbah a Moute a lot. Gomes could be a major asset as well. Gomes and Miles would be the perfect fits between SG/SF.

I don't think anyone is obsessed with trading Mason or hoping he's dumped at any cost.

It's just realistic that whoever this wing player they're looking at would eat all the sg minutes along with Ginobli. Throw in Hairston and the comments about Hill getting minutes at the 2 where does Mason get time?

So basically the reasoning behind these players' being traded is the people making the posts don't like them.

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Don't see why people want to trade roger mason he was many of times the go to guy at end of games.

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Don't see why people want to trade roger mason he was many of times the go to guy at end of games.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

It's more of thinking somewhat rationally. We won't get anything significant back for Finley/ Bonner combo. The only thing we probably can get back is a contract in a 6-7 million dollar range for a fringe rotation player at best. Like a Jason Kapono.

If we want anything significant back, our best shot to attain a Raja Bell/ James Posey/ Nocioni would be to include Mason.

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Some reasoning why Mason is expendable:

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Mason is expendable. His minutes and shots will be cut drastically next year with Manu and R.J taking up 60-65 minutes that were Mason and Finley's last year. Not to mention Mason's contract is up next year and Spurs have the dilemma of resigning Manu.

Mason is also a one trick pony and can't defend worth a lick.

All that being said trading Mason/ Bonner will give us a better piece back in return than Bonner/ Finley.

Mason/ Bonner and a 1st should catch the attention towards the Hornets for James Posey/ Bobcats for Raja Bell/ Kings for Nocioni. I think those three would be the best fits for us in needed a defensive wing that can hit the 3 ball. We don't need a volume shooter like Stephen Jackson for instance or even Mason at times.

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That's a lot to give up for a niche player. I don't see its happening.

Nocioni would make a lot of sense for the Spurs. Dealing him for expiring contracts which are less than his salary this year would also pare down the Kings' payroll this year.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

That's a lot to give up for a niche player. I don't see its happening.

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Not really considering the minutes Bonner and Mason are going to be fighting for ( 20 minutes a game at most). To get a guy like Nocioni who is multi -dimensional and better offensively and defensively than both Mason and Bonner. It would be adding more threatening 25 minute per game rotation guy that can start and be highly effective on both ends of the floor in all phases of the game.

Not to mention more versatile by playing the small ball/ spread the floor- power forward without giving up rebounding either ( rebounds just as well as bonner) and being able to play the wing and defend 2's and 3's ( better defender than Mason). Nocioni can still 40 percent from 3 point land as well ( same as Mason).

Bonner/ Mason and 1st for Nocioni is not a lot to give up with the depth that we have at both positions.

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Not really considering the minutes Bonner and Mason are going to be fighting for ( 20 minutes a game at most). To get a guy like Nocioni who is multi -dimensional and better offensively and defensively than both Mason and Bonner. It would be adding more threatening 25 minute per game rotation guy that can start and be highly effective on both ends of the floor in all phases of the game.

Not to mention more versatile by playing the small ball/ spread the floor- power forward without giving up rebounding either ( rebounds just as well as bonner) and being able to play the wing and defend 2's and 3's.

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No, it really is a lot to give up for a niche player since you already said RJ and Manu will be playing so many minutes.

Not to mention we would already have 6 players that can play PF.

Not to mention everyone is assuming perfect health for Manu next year.

We'll see. I just think the Spurs have made all the moves they are going to make for awhile.

The Kings seem pretty high on Nocioni. I think they look to trade Martin before him.

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No, it really is a lot to give up for a niche player.

Not to mention we already have 7 players that can already play PF.

Not to mention everyone is assuming perfect health for Manu next year.

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I disagree.

Nocioni isn't a power forward. He's a small forward first and foremost. But he has the ability to play multiple positions. Therefore your justification is irrelevant.

If Manu is hurt, Jefferson can easily slide to the 2 guard spot and Nocioni can play the 3 with Finley/ Hill/ Hairston backing them up. And yes Jefferson can play the two just like Hedo did in 04' and Jackson did in 03'. The wing positions are interchangeable.

If Manu was to get hurt, I rather have a rotation of Jefferson/ Nocioni/ Finley/ Hill/ Hairston than Jefferson/ Mason/ Finley/ Hill/ Hairston.

I wouldn't trade anybody..

let's see what we have..if we're missing anything, make a move at the deadline..

this roster has too many ?s to make any moves right now, some of these guys can end up being good enough to make an impact..

I disagree. He's a small forward first and foremost so he will be playing behind Jefferson. And at PF he is behind at least three or four players. Therefore your contention he will play any more than Mason is irrelevant.

If Manu is hurt, there are a now a bunch of guys who can't really score who can play his minutes.

If Manu was to get hurt, what you would rather have is irrelevant -- that's why I don't see this trade happening.

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Therefore your contention he will play any more than Mason is irrelevant.

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Did you watch the Mavericks series?

Mason's minutes were diminished because his shot was off and he couldn't guard anyone. He was a liability on the defensive end, which in turn will give Finley/ Hill more minutes at the wing this year. ( If Mason would stay for the year)

That wouldn't be the case with getting Nocioni. Finley's potential minutes that he would get from Mason being 0-4 in the first half, would be Nocioni's at the wing because he is not a liability on either side of the court. The only way Finley would see time with Nocioni on the team is if Manu or RJ are hurt or in early foul trouble.

That is how Nocioni would see more minutes than Mason.

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He's a small forward first and foremost so he will be playing behind Jefferson. .

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Jefferson can play the two. Look at our starting lineup in 2003 and 2004( Jackson and Hedo at the SG.

Our wing positions are interchangeable.

As long as one of the wings can defend the oppositions best two or 3.

Of course I saw them, I wouldn't expect Nocioni to play any more than Mason did.

Look, I like Nocioni and I think he would be fine on the team -- I just don't see the trade happening. Everybody wants to trade players they don't like for players they do, and Mason, Bonner and Finley (and for no reason whatsoever Williams) are everyone's favorite whipping boys, but that's not based in reality. Is there even any indication Nocioni is on the block?

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Of course I saw them, I wouldn't expect Nocioni to play any more than Mason did.

Look, I like Nocioni and I think he would be fine on the team -- I just don't see the trade happening. Everybody wants to trade players they don't like for players they do, but that's not based in reality. Is there even any indication he's on the block?

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None at all. That's what I keep saying. The Kings FO love him and he became a fan favorite on arrival.

There's been plenty of talk that Martin could be on the block again though. Not that I think the Spurs would be in the hunt but it's more likely they'd dump his contract over Nocioni's.

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

I wouldn't trade anybody..

let's see what we have..if we're missing anything, make a move at the deadline..

this roster has too many ?s to make any moves right now, some of these guys can end up being good enough to make an impact..

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Harlem,

I actually agree with you, unless a deal is available right now that makes the team significantly better. An ideal move (if it is available, and I doubt that it is, at least currently) would be to obtain Raja Bell for the Finley/Bonner/etc. package that it would require, because he is still an expiring contract you can offer at the deadline if an even better deal is available.

There are good reasons for doing a deal before training camp...namely the chemistry that a team builds on the court over the course of camp, preseason and the first 40 games of the year. However, if the deal available right now does not actually make you much better (or save a good chunk of money), then you wait and see what teams are ready to give up talent this year for expirings, once their own seasons have tanked.

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Of course I saw them, I wouldn't expect Nocioni to play any more than Mason did.

Look, I like Nocioni and I think he would be fine on the team -- I just don't see the trade happening. Everybody wants to trade players they don't like for players they do, but that's not based in reality. Is there even any indication he's on the block?

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Based on reality? Then why does 90 percent of ST believe Finley/ Bonner can get the Spurs a player of Nocioni's caliber?
Thinking rationally, the only way we can wind up with a player of that caliber is to include Mason ( nothing against him).

Kings have been rumored to wanting to shed payroll. Then again they opted for Nocioni's contract in a trade for Salmons and Brad Miller in favor of salary dumps in other potential trades. So who knows?

Nocioni can be clumped in the potential trading scenarios between Posey/ Bell/ Battier ( all of which I'd offer Mason/ Bonner if that's what it took)

I was just reasoning why Nocioni would see more time than Mason, I don't know if he's on the block or not.

All I know is all this Finley/ Bonner combination in a trade won't get us back a player worthy of cracking the rotation. Therefore Mason would be the most realistic asset to bring back somebody of Nocioni's caliber.


In my opinion I think Finley/ Bonner trade bait can maybe get us a Jason Kapono, not a Shane Battier or Nocioni.