realgm podcast: idea for Iverson to spurs for vet min?

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Originally Posted by toki9

Well, it'd depend on how AI would take to Pop's practice sessions...yep...practice...that's what we're talking about...practice...

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lol:lol

I would love to have Iverson for the LLE. He would make it lot easier to put a trade package of Bonner/Mason/Finley together. I think Iverson would listen to Pop for a season or two. If we could ship out B,M,and F we could also have room to bring Bowen Back. Iverson would provide us with our 4th best scoring option right off the bat. Him and Manu would produce alot of steals out there.

I can see it now: imagine all of the opposing PG's running right past him to get to the rim every single time. Timmy would flame out by midseason having to cover for all of his defensive mistakes.

And then there's the problem with his ballhogging offense...

let me remind peopl who we're talking about here:

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Originally Posted by Allen Iverson

"A lot of people might look at it like it's a selfish thing or something like that," Iverson said. "Why wouldn't I start? I'm the franchise player here. I don't know any franchise players that come off the bench. I don't know any Olympian that comes off the bench. I don't know any All-Star that comes off the bench. I don't know any former MVP that comes off the bench. I don't know any three-time scoring champion that comes off the bench.

"I don't know any first team All-NBA (player) that comes off the bench. Why Allen Iverson? Why should I come off the bench? ... I think it is an insult to me. Who I am as a player, who I am to this organization, who I've been to this organization, that's an insult to me to come off the bench if I'm a starter."

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Parker, Ginobili, and Iverson would give the Spurs a rather potent offensive 3 guard rotation. With Hill and Mason filling out the rest of the rotation, and Jefferson at the 3 spot, the Spurs would be deadly on the perimeter and would ease the burden on TD all the moreso.

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Originally Posted by bugoy

that girl, leah dizon, in your sig is cute, is she filipino?

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she is 1/4 flipino 1/4 chinese 2/4 french

Iverson is the black player white fans love to hate on the most.

Iverson has been interested in teams like Memphis and The Clippers. He's not looking to win, he's looking to be relevant again. If he were willing to fill a role, then that's one thing...but in Detroit he already proved that isn't the case.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Iverson is the black player white fans love to hate on the most.

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well I ain't white but when it comes to hating I don't discriminate

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Iverson is the black player white fans love to hate on the most.

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Michael Vick?

His personal life, and the way he acted in Detroit is reason enough to dislike the guy. But you can make this a topic of race if it suits you better.

The years Iverson performed the best were his years with Larry Brown.

BUT, Pop is a better players coach than Larry Brown.


I've always been opposed to the idea, HOWEVER, his years in Denver showed me when on a good team, he's more than willing to be a team player.

That being said his style of play has been catching up with him lately in the form of injuries.

If he was willing to come for the LLE and you could move Finley and Bonner, then I'd say I'm for it.

Really, did the podcaster run this by Iverson first? I haven't seen anything suggesting Iverson would take a reduced role AND anything less than the MLE.

Two strikes.

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Originally Posted by __JaG__

Iverson has been interested in teams like Memphis and The Clippers. He's not looking to win, he's looking to be relevant again. If he were willing to fill a role, then that's one thing...but in Detroit he already proved that isn't the case.

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In Detroit he didn't have Pop as his coach.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Iverson is the black player white fans love to hate on the most.

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:lmao

http://www.jordanmills.net/Pictures/...rd%20black.jpg

For folks who don't remember --

When Allen Iverson and Chauncey Billups were traded for one another, it resulted in the Denver Nuggets having their best season in 25 years, and the Detroit Pistons collapsing into oblivion.

This happened instantaneously.

So if we are going to accept the premise that Allen Iverson can be a meaningful contributor on an NBA team, we also have to conclude that Chauncey Billups is one of the greatest players in NBA history.

Alternately, we can say that Chauncey Billups is merely very good, while Allen Iverson is a washed-up chucker with an attitude problem who can't get by with his athleticism like he did 10 years ago, and whose inability to adjust to the reality of getting old tears good teams apart.

White fans also like to respond to exposures of their latent racism with riffs on the 'race card.'

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

The only reason anybody could possibly disagree with me is because they are racist.

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No!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Darthkiller

she is 1/4 flipino 1/4 chinese 2/4 french

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Here's another filipino, but this girl is in a whole 'nother category. She's a fili-babe. Did any of you notice the 2 guys in Waynes World 1 & 2. Yeah, those were the stars of the show. Tia Carrere is a voluptuous woman. Her nude pics in Playboy is the stuff of legend.


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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

White fans also like to respond to exposures of their latent racism with riffs on the 'race card.'

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Yes MB, Basketball Fan has it out for black people. :rolleyes

If Iverson were white, he'd still be a chucker. As it stands, he's just a chucker with sweet dance moves.

It's amazing that a lot of the same people who reject Iverson 100% were in favor of bringing in Rasheed Wallace. They both have very pronounced negative sides, even if they are different negatives. If Wallace could somehow transform into a Spurs-type team player, there's no reason Iverson couldn't. It's a big "If", but I think Iverson has probably noticed that he doesn't have a ring.

Yes, Iverson puts up a lot of shots. But then again, he has averaged more than 41 minutes per game, over a 13 year career. On a per-36 basis, he probably shoots at a similar rate as players like Ray Allen or Paul Pierce - and those two volume shooters are getting along on the same team. And over his entire career, Iverson has gone to the line about 8 times per 36 minutes - more than Allen, Pierce, Kobe, LeBron, CP3, and probably anybody else you can think of. And while he was busy putting up shots, he somehow managed to dish out over 6 assists per game.

He's a guy who can get a shot at will, and who can force the other team to put him on the line. Think about those 8-minute scoring droughts the Spurs go on. Think about those times when the other team clamps down on defense, and we can't seem to get a shot off. Think about a playoff game when the Spurs are down by 1, with 5 seconds on the clock.

I would think the response to Iverson would be "IF". IF the price was right. IF he showed that he wants a ring at all costs. IF he would agree to a role on the team. Maybe he wouldn't agree to any of those things. But people do change, and I sure as hell wouldn't rule him out without talking. Because he is definitely capable of improving the Spurs' chances of winning another championship.

[Edit] I don't believe that he would sign for the vet minimum... but if he did, the league would pay half of his salary. He would cost less than a player with only 1 year in the league. At that price, there just isn't much risk. If he is a distraction, kick his ass out.

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Originally Posted by GSH

It's amazing that a lot of the same people who reject Iverson 100% were in favor of bringing in Rasheed Wallace. They both have very pronounced negative sides, even if they are different negatives. If Wallace could somehow transform into a Spurs-type team player, there's no reason Iverson couldn't. It's a big "If", but I think Iverson has probably noticed that he doesn't have a ring.

Yes, Iverson puts up a lot of shots. But then again, he has averaged more than 41 minutes per game, over a 13 year career. On a per-36 basis, he probably shoots at a similar rate as players like Ray Allen or Paul Pierce - and those two volume shooters are getting along on the same team. And over his entire career, Iverson has gone to the line about 8 times per 36 minutes - more than Allen, Pierce, Kobe, LeBron, CP3, and probably anybody else you can think of. And while he was busy putting up shots, he somehow managed to dish out over 6 assists per game.

He's a guy who can get a shot at will, and who can force the other team to put him on the line. Think about those 8-minute scoring droughts the Spurs go on. Think about those times when the other team clamps down on defense, and we can't seem to get a shot off. Think about a playoff game when the Spurs are down by 1, with 5 seconds on the clock.

I would think the response to Iverson would be "IF". IF the price was right. IF he showed that he wants a ring at all costs. IF he would agree to a role on the team. Maybe he wouldn't agree to any of those things. But people do change, and I sure as hell wouldn't rule him out without talking. Because he is definitely capable of improving the Spurs' chances of winning another championship.

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And that sounds oddly familiar.

If he were really willing to come for the LLE to be an important role player on the Spurs, I'm down for that. Most people bash Iverson on here, but a Parker, Ginobili, Parker, Mason, Iverson, Hill backcourt would be absolutely deadly.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

Parker, Ginobili, and Iverson would give the Spurs a rather potent offensive 3 guard rotation. With Hill and Mason filling out the rest of the rotation, and Jefferson at the 3 spot, the Spurs would be deadly on the perimeter and would ease the burden on TD all the moreso.

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on paper - yes. on the court, he would REALLY ease the burden on his teammates because he's a volume shooter who takes shots away from others. when he had a deadly mid-range game and got himself to the FT line, this was acceptable. but age + discontent last year pushed him towards pure chucker status.