Who to Blame if Obamacare is not passed?

I wonder if Obama will sign the bill without a public option?

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Originally Posted by Spursmania

I wonder if Obama will sign the bill without a public option?

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I wonder how many will vote YES without reading the fine print?

Good find Yoni. What people don't realize is the fine print does lead to that end!

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Originally Posted by DeJuanitoBlair

I've read your posts and that seems like the only thing your doing. It's a pain to open one of these threads up and see all of this straw grabbing. I have an idea, why don't you come up with a solution to the big picture (health care expenses, improving the GDP, etc) and then post?

And please don't start that rhetorical vague bullshit that health care is not a right. You're a couple decades late on that argument. Our widely approved and judicially mandated laws already reflect that. Go into any emergency room without insurance and see how they are bound by law to care for you (which is another problem without funding). I guess you could continue to say that it isn't even though current judicial practice and theory has validated it for quite a while though.

All I see is 100% pure partisan hackery. For someone who talks about having an education (I'm also an engineer, but a doctorate), it would be nice if they use it for a SOLUTION.

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What's wrong with the health care we have?

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Originally Posted by DeJuanitoBlair

Well, in TX it's for profit for one. I'll have give my money to worthless financial managers (and yes, they are worthless) where 1 out 4 dollars goes to their profit and accommodating their corporate expense accounts rather than my service. In other states outside of TX, non-profit insurance is available. It'd be nice in TX for a change.

Currently, I'm giving my money to a bank where I can watch and control what is being done to it.

Do you want me to start on denial of coverage? (thus making hospitals and taxpayers take the bill anyway)

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So, the individuals, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies that spend billions learning the practice of medicine, developing clinical therapies, and inventing life-saving drugs aren't entitled to a profit?

Remove profit motive and back-alley abortions won't even be able to hold a candle to the atrocities that will be committed.

Latest example:

Patients forced to live in agony after NHS refuses to pay for painkilling injections

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

So, the individuals, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies that spend billions learning the practice of medicine, developing clinical therapies, and inventing life-saving drugs aren't entitled to a profit?

Remove profit motive and back-alley abortions won't even be able to hold a candle to the atrocities that will be committed.

Latest example:

Patients forced to live in agony after NHS refuses to pay for painkilling injections

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Hmmm.. that sounds familiarlly like "denial of coverage" to me.But seriously I don't think anyone here is attacking the idea of finding a better solution to the high cost of health care, what they are concerned about is a regime in the whitehouse with a shcoolboy infatuation with the romance of revolutionary somewhat like... che gueverra.Ignoring the concerns,and the voice of the people, who has no regard for the idea of represenative democracy, and who by hook or by crook wants to shape the world in his own narssistic vision of the gratefull masses crowded around his feet receiving the blessings and wisdom of THEIR BELOVED LEADER.And if that means telling a few lies or bending a few arms.......well can't make an omlette without breaking a few republics.

Shouldn't we blame the over-reaching control this authoritarian government wants? Please look at this:

White House: THE SECURITY YOU GET from health insurance reform:

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* No Discrimination for Pre-Existing Conditions
* Insurance companies will be prohibited from refusing you coverage because of your medical history.

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Can I get that with my auto insurance, after I wreck my car? I would love to not have to buy insurance until I need it.

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* No Exorbitant Out-of-Pocket Expenses, Deductibles or Co-Pays

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Who defines exorbitant?

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* Insurance companies will have to abide by yearly caps on how much they can charge for out-of-pocket expenses.

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Why? If the consumer doesn't like one company, go to another.

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* No Cost-Sharing for Preventive Care

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What exactly does that mean? That it's no co-pay?

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* Insurance companies must fully cover, without charge, regular checkups and tests that help you prevent illness, such as mammograms or eye and foot exams for diabetics.

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Yet the government will ration these at will

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* No Dropping of Coverage for Seriously Ill

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I'm OK with this one.

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* Insurance companies will be prohibited from dropping or watering down insurance coverage for those who become seriously ill.

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OK with this also.

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* No Gender Discrimination

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OK.

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* Insurance companies will be prohibited from charging you more because of your gender.

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Disagree. For one, men don't have babies.

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* No Annual or Lifetime Caps on Coverage

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But the government will.

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* Insurance companies will be prevented from placing annual or lifetime caps on the coverage you receive.

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But the government will.

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* Extended Coverage for Young Adults

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Fine.

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* Children would continue to be eligible for family coverage through the age of 26.

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I'm not so hot with this one unless they are college students under the control of their parents.

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* Guaranteed Insurance Renewal
* Insurance companies will be required to renew any policy as long as the policyholder pays their premium in full. Insurance companies won't be allowed to refuse renewal because someone became sick.

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I like this.

Interesting, if you read HB 3200, you find that the government will place cost controls, but require private insurance not to. This is one method that will insure the destruction of private insurance. If nothing else, the above policies will make it unaffordable except for the rich.