Beer Summit!

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

Look at Chumpy battle for Obama. "Blacks will kill us all" God dude...Un tuck ur nuts and be a man. Obama is in operation kiss ass mode. He fucked up.

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I already said he made a mistake.

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That dude deserve to be arrested.

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No, he did nothing illegal.

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It calmed the nut job down. No telling how far this old man with a cane would have went. Cuff the motherfucker,take his dumb racist ass downtown and perhaps, just perhaps know it all, stop the old man from doing something the police would not have dropped.

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The black man will kill us all.

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Fucking drama queen.

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Still looking for the right man, I see. You will find the man of your dreams one of these days.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Hey, you can believe suitcases are backpacks. That doesn't make it so.

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I have an Eagle Creek Switchback. Softsided suitcase with backpack straps. What was Mr. Gates carrying?

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

Yay police power!!

Yelling at a cop should be a crime; why it isn't already a felony of some sort is beyond me!

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Is hysterical hyperbole your only argument anymore? You use to do better.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I have an Eagle Creek Switchback. Softsided suitcase with backpack straps. What was Mr. Gates carrying?

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The eyewitness said suitcases and maybe a Hispanic.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Is hysterical hyperbole your only argument anymore? You use to do better.

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You never did better. You have always been a lying, ignorant, partisan hack.

Dissent about how an officer conducts himself simply cannot be tolerated in this dangerous world. The concern for cops being hurt by barbed words or sharp disagreement is really underappreciated.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no First Amendment right to free speech for those who choose to be critical of police officers.

To paraphrase: Arrest here. Arrest now.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

What evidence do you have this arrest was based on race? You don't think a white person, acting like Gates did, has never been arrested? :lmao

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show me where a handicapped old white man that needs a cane to walk was arrested in his own home for yelling at a cop.

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What my experience with racism?

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your racism was with you long before your "episode".

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People with no experience in law enforcement should really educate themselves before speaking to this issue. You only look stupid...except to others like yourself.

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what experience? the kind where you make shit up before you arrest someone?

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

Dissent about how an officer conducts himself simply cannot be tolerated in this dangerous world. The concern for cops being hurt by barbed words or sharp disagreement is really underappreciated.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no First Amendment right to free speech for those who choose to be critical of police officers.

To paraphrase: Arrest here. Arrest now.

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You're missing the point. He was going to kill everyone there.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

You're missing the point. He was going to kill everyone there.

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remember, there were two probable killers.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Is hysterical hyperbole your only argument anymore? You use to do better.

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Hey buddy, you're the one talking about the officer teaching these academic goody-goody, white tower princes about the dangers of having an upset citizen yelling! I'm just suggesting that if the situation is as dangerous as you think the officer could have believed it to be, why not actually come up with a real crime to support arrests in those situations - something other than the trumped-up, insupportable charges that seem to frequently be the manifestations of police anger?

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Originally Posted by clambake

remember, there were two probable killers.

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OMG the other one is still out there!!!!!111!!1!!

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

Hey buddy, you're the one talking about the officer teaching these academic goody-goody, white tower princes about the dangers of having an upset citizen yelling! I'm just suggesting that if the situation is as dangerous as you think the officer could have believed it to be, why not actually come up with a real crime to support arrests in those situations - something other than the trumped-up, insupportable charges that seem to frequently be the manifestations of police anger?

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you don't understand. yoni knows the pain and suffering of being yelled at by an old black man.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

The eyewitness said suitcases and maybe a Hispanic.

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During the 911 call. What was said by her and others, after the officer reached the scene?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

During the 911 call. What was said by her and others, after the officer reached the scene?

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did he ever apologize to that poor woman?

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Originally Posted by clambake

show me where a handicapped old white man that needs a cane to walk was arrested in his own home for yelling at a cop.

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Well, I know of many elderly white men (some with canes even) that were arrested for disorderly conduct at their own house.

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Originally Posted by clambake

your racism was with you long before your "episode".

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I don't have a racist bone in my body. Point to anything I've ever said that even remotely indicates I'm a racist.

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Originally Posted by clambake

what experience? the kind where you make shit up before you arrest someone?

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One that assembles all information when writing an incident report.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

During the 911 call. What was said by her and others, after the officer reached the scene?

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Oh, you want to make up more shit.

Right on cue.

Haas would have said more information had been gathered at that time.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

Hey buddy, you're the one talking about the officer teaching these academic goody-goody, white tower princes about the dangers of having an upset citizen yelling! I'm just suggesting that if the situation is as dangerous as you think the officer could have believed it to be, why not actually come up with a real crime to support arrests in those situations - something other than the trumped-up, insupportable charges that seem to frequently be the manifestations of police anger?

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You weren't there so, you have no idea of the totality of the circumstances. Every other officer there, and there was a black and a hispanic officer present, said the arrest was legitimate.

And, I'm glad you at least tempered your argument by saying the cop was angry as opposed to being racist.

Gates was acting inconsistent with what would have been expected from a home-owner approached by a police officer investigating a possible burglary in progress at their home. Gates belligerent behavior continued throughout the Sgt. Crowley's presence. He created a scene for no reason, breached the peace, and according to the officers on the scene, committed acts that constituted disorderly conduct.

I may not have arrested him, they did...who are we to argue; particularly when we don't have all the facts?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Oh, you want to make up more shit.

Right on cue.

Haas would have said more information had been gathered at that time.

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I asked a simple question. You think the police didn't talk to witnesses after they arrived?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Well, I know of many elderly white men (some with canes even) that were arrested for disorderly conduct at their own house.

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go ahead, show me all the old white men with canes that were arrested in their own home by crowley.

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I don't have a racist bone in my body. Point to anything I've ever said that even remotely indicates I'm a racist.

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you spoke, in detail, about a black man that yelled at you. you've been yelled at by people your whole life........but you only mention your "black experience".

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One that assembles all information when writing an incident report.

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you mean one that creates false information.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

You weren't there so, you have no idea of the totality of the circumstances. Every other officer there, and there was a black and a hispanic officer present, said the arrest was legitimate.

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Cops back one another up.

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And, I'm glad you at least tempered your argument by saying the cop was angry as opposed to being racist.

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That's what we've all been saying. Your insistence to inject race into the argument with straw men and the like only distracted the focus.

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Gates was acting inconsistent with what would have been expected from a home-owner approached by a police officer investigating a possible burglary in progress at their home. Gates belligerent behavior continued throughout the Sgt. Crowley's presence. He created a scene for no reason, breached the peace, and according to the officers on the scene, committed acts that constituted disorderly conduct.

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Except none of his action that have been recounted broke Massachusetts law. Only the imaginary ones you think the police continue to hide from the public for no reason.

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I may not have arrested him, they did...who are we to argue; particularly when we don't have all the facts?

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Were there any other facts to provide, they would have already been provided.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I asked a simple question. You think the police didn't talk to witnesses after they arrived?

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If the recording wasn't edited, it doesn't sound like there was enough time to have a chat with the witnesses while a suspected burglary was taking place -- so in this case, I will say probably not.

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Originally Posted by clambake

go ahead, show me all the old white men with canes that were arrested in their own home by crowley.

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You can take it up with him. You suggested Gates was arrested because he was black. I think he was arrested because he was an asshole who became disorderly.

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Originally Posted by clambake

you spoke, in detail, about a black man that yelled at you. you've been yelled at by people your whole life........but you only mention your "black experience".

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I spoke in detail about an experience about a black man that yelled at me, threatened me, and intimidated my passenger; simply because I was white. I was describing an act of racism I experienced.

I only mentioned that experience because it was in the context of a discussion about racism. I've been called whitey, honkie, and other names, by blacks in other settings, that didn't bother me -- even though it demonstrated their racism.

This incident happened in Inglewood, California, shortly after the Rodney King riots and about 5 blocks from where Reginald Denney had been dragged from his truck and nearly beaten nearly to death.

I believe I had reason to be concerned. But, since it's giving you so much mileage, go ahead and continue to make an ass of yourself.

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you mean one that creates false information.

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No.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

If the recording wasn't edited, it doesn't sound like there was enough time to have a chat with the witnesses while a suspected burglary was taking place -- so in this case, I will say probably not.

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Not every interaction was recorded. You don't know what was said at the scene.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Not every interaction was recorded. You don't know what was said at the scene.

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As I said, it appears the passage of time was recorded. If that tape wasn't edited, the whole episode happened very quickly without time to chat up the witnesses.

i love that story. so, were his words threatening to you? was it the words? what were his words that had you so upset?

others have called you whitey and honkie? anyone that gets upset from that is a pussy.

a cracker pussy.