Beer Summit!

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Wow... I'm surprised that took you so long!

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So you don't have anything better to do that respond to me. Stick around then, flaglot.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

So you don't have anything better to do that respond to me. Stick around then, flaglot.

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At the moment, I have nothing to do. It's been real amusing reading your absolute stupidity. I can watch and play for a few more minutes.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Which is why you have to imagine Gates did something to warrant his arrest. The facts that are known don't support you, so you ahve to make shit up.

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I don't have to imagine it. The officer wrote it in his report and the other officer's backed the arrest.

Neither you nor I know all the facts. You're speculating as much as I am. I have the advantage of having had been in that circumstance numerous times. You don't.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

As long as you keep making up shit, I'll just keep giving you the facts.

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I've made nothing up...I've speculated based on the known facts and a number of years of experience. You and Clambake are the ones falsely ascribing behaviors to people by saying the police are blindly backing Sgt. Crowley and saying Gates was only yelling from his porch.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

He shouldn't have been thrown in jail for yelling at the police from his porch. It's not against the law.

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I know they should have just let him keep on yelling. No big deal. They should have know he was an esteemed Professor at Harvard and should have treated him delicately. I mean everybody should be able to yell and rant and rave at cops, especially when they are only there to ensure no one is robbing your home. Crazy cops...

Poor Chump. He wasn't able to suck Gate's dick for one night. No wonder he's so worked up over this.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

He shouldn't have been thrown in jail for yelling at the police from his porch. It's not against the law.

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No one has said it was against the law. That's why I'm arguing he was doing more than just yelling from his porch...and, apparently, it involved tumultuous behavior of some sort.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I don't have to imagine it. The officer wrote it in his report and the other officer's backed the arrest.

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Except the never described anything he did that could be prosecuted as disorderly conduct under Massachusetts law.

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Neither you nor I know all the facts. You're speculating as much as I am.

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No, I am working with the facts that were given. I'm not making anything up.

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I have the advantage of having had been in that circumstance numerous times. You don't.

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Well you did prove that law enforcement officials can be ignorant of the law, so thank you for that. I think that is the case here.

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I've made nothing up...I've speculated based on the known facts and a number of years of experience.

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You made shit up, adn the shit you made up is your only support for an arrest.

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You and Clambake are the ones falsely ascribing behaviors to people by saying the police are blindly backing Sgt. Crowley

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I don't think the police are blindly backing Crowley; their backing was easily calculated considering it was a minor incident.

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and saying Gates was only yelling from his porch.

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No one has said he did anything else. Not one person.

You made up some shit claiming he did, but that was shit you made up.

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Originally Posted by Spursmania

I know they should have just let him keep on yelling. No big deal. They should have know he was an esteemed Professor at Harvard and should have treated him delicately. I mean everybody should be able to yell and rant and rave at cops, especially when they are only there to ensure no one is robbing your home. Crazy cops...

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It's not against the law.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Poor Chump. He wasn't able to suck Gate's dick for one night. No wonder he's so worked up over this.

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You post about gay sex too much to not want it yourself.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Except the never described anything he did that could be prosecuted as disorderly conduct under Massachusetts law.

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Because that was an incident report, not a criminal complaint.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

No, I am working with the facts that were given. I'm not making anything up.Well you did prove that law enforcement officials can be ignorant of the law, so thank you for that. I think that is the case here.

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You made up that the officer were covering for Sgt. Crowley. You made up that the only thing Gates was doing was yelling from his porch. You can't know any these things to be true.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

You made shit up, adn the shit you made up is your only support for an arrest.I don't think the police are blindly backing Crowley; their backing was easily calculated considering it was a minor incident.

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I haven't made one thing up. Not one.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

No one has said he did anything else. Not one person.

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Sgt. Crowley said he engaged in tumultuous behavior...an element of disorderly conduct.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

You made up some shit claiming he did, but that was shit you made up.

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I didn't make it up, it's right there in the report.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

It's not against the law.

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No, but he did enough to warrant the arrest, IMO. If I was gambling in Vegas, I'd bet on the cops big on this one.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

No one has said it was against the law. That's why I'm arguing he was doing more than just yelling from his porch...and, apparently, it involved tumultuous behavior of some sort.

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I'm arguing that the yelling was the tumultuous behavior, because if you just go by the statute you can claim it to be just that. The case law circumscribes the yelling part quite a bit though -- so Gates could have been ignorant of the law like you were, or he could have just feigned ignorance, knowing that any charge would be dropped because of the case law, but at least Gates would shut up.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Except the never described anything he did that could be prosecuted as disorderly conduct under Massachusetts law.

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The General Laws of Massachusetts; Chapter 272: Section 53. Penalty for certain offenses :

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Section 53. Common night walkers, common street walkers, both male and female, common railers and brawlers, persons who with offensive and disorderly acts or language accost or annoy persons of the opposite sex, lewd, wanton and lascivious persons in speech or behavior, idle and disorderly persons, disturbers of the peace, keepers of noisy and disorderly houses, and persons guilty of indecent exposure may be punished by imprisonment in a jail or house of correction for not more than six months, or by a fine of not more than two hundred dollars, or by both such fine and imprisonment.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

I'm arguing that the yelling was the tumultuous behavior, because if you just go by the statute you can claim it to be just that. The case law circumscribes the yelling part quite a bit though -- so Gates could have been ignorant of the law like you were, or he could have just feigned ignorance, knowing that any charge would be dropped because of the case law, but at least Gates would shut up.

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We'll never know if the case law you cite will ever be brought up in this case, because the case was dropped. Further, I've not heard Sgt. Crowley or anyone else from the Cambridge Police Department say the tumultuous was his yelling.

I won't accuse you of lying or making shit up. I'll just say you can't know that and your speculating.

My God, this is stupid.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

My God, this is stupid.

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:deadhorse

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Because that was an incident report, not a criminal complaint.

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They've had ample opportunity to describe Gates' actions in full outside of that report. I am of the opinion they have.

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You made up that the officer were covering for Sgt. Crowley.

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No, I believe the police want to retain the ability to arrest people in that situation. If you don't think that, you should explain why.

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You made up that the only thing Gates was doing was yelling from his porch.

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No one said he did anything else. I said I am basing my opinion on what was actually said to have happened.

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You can't know any these things to be true.

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I know no one has said anything to refute my opinion based on only the facts. You only counter has been to make things up.

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I haven't made one thing up. Not one.

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Of course you have. It's all you got.

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Sgt. Crowley said he engaged in tumultuous behavior...an element of disorderly conduct.

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What tumultuous behavior?

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I didn't make it up, it's right there in the report.

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You made up what you thought it to be. The only thing that has ever been said Gates did that can be described as tumultuous behavior is yelling at the police -- and that tumultuous behavior cannot be prosecuted in Massachusetts.

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Originally Posted by Spursmania

No, but he did enough to warrant the arrest, IMO.

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Enough of what? Be specific.

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If I was gambling in Vegas, I'd bet on the cops big on this one.

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On what? The legality of yelling at the cops? You'd lose big on that one.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Enough of what? Be specific.On what? The legality of yelling at the cops? You'd lose big on that one.

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

The General Laws of Massachusetts; Chapter 272: Section 53. Penalty for certain offenses :

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I have already addressed the statute and the relevant case law in the other thread. I can give you a link if you want, but you said you have better things to do like think about men having sex.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

We'll never know if the case law you cite will ever be brought up in this case, because the case was dropped. Further, I've not heard Sgt. Crowley or anyone else from the Cambridge Police Department say the tumultuous was his yelling.

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I've never heard them say he did anything else, and the yelling does meet a dictionary definition of tumultuous behavior, which is often used in instances such as these.

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I won't accuse you of lying or making shit up. I'll just say you can't know that and your speculating.

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I am only going by what the cops and witnesses have actually said. I know what they have actually said. If you think they are hiding or continually omitting something crucial about the incident that would have actually justified the arrest, fine. I don't.

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Originally Posted by Spursmania

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So you can't be specific. That's ok, but issues of the law can get that way.

i'm back!!!!!

flaglot!!! :lmao:lol:lmao:lmao:lol

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

They've had ample opportunity to describe Gates' actions in full outside of that report. I am of the opinion they have.

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I'm of the opinion no one's asked the question.

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No, I believe the police want to retain the ability to arrest people in that situation.

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You didn't say I believe. You stated it as fact. That's making shit up.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

If you don't think that, you should explain why.

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Because it's not been my experience after being involved in law enforcement my entire career.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

No one said he did anything else. I said I am basing my opinion on what was actually said to have happened.I know no one has said anything to refute my opinion based on only the facts. You only counter has been to make things up.

Of course you have. It's all you got.

What tumultuous behavior?

You made up what you thought it to be. The only thing that has ever been said Gates did that can be described as tumultuous behavior is yelling at the police -- and that tumultuous behavior cannot be prosecuted in Massachusetts.

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All asked and answered. Until the question is asked of the arresting officer, you've got nothing but speculation.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

So you can't be specific. That's ok, but issues of the law can get that way.

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Guess what CD, I am a lawyer. I assume you are not?

It's clear you have a different opinion, and that's you're right. I'm not going to bash you for it. My opinion is different. I've already viewed the ridiculous posts in the Gates fiasco, and I have no desire to engage in beating a dead horse argument over and over ad nauseum...