White House adviser won't say no to tax increase
(AP) – 5 hours ago
WASHINGTON — A top White House adviser says he can't rule out a tax on middle-class Americans to pay for President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.
As a candidate, Obama pledged not to raise taxes for most Americans. But economic adviser Larry Summers says he cannot promise that Obama will stick to that campaign pledge.
Summers says it's too early to tell what will be needed to pay for a broad restructuring of how people receive health care.
Summers says controlling health care costs will be crucial to reducing the deficit. He says the health of the economy is directly tied to how Americans take care of their own health.
Summers appeared on CBS's "Face the Nation" and NBC's "Meet the Press."
08-02-2009
Wild Cobra
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Anyone who thinks this can be passed without major tax hikes is a fool.
Isn't he already breaking that promise by wanting to go to Carbon Credits? Just a tax with a different name that will affect all!
08-02-2009
Vinnie_Johnson
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Anyone who thinks this can be passed without major tax hikes is a fool.
Isn't he already breaking that promise by wanting to go to Carbon Credits? Just a tax with a different name that will affect all!
Yes I can't believe the fools who bought his hype and lies.
08-02-2009
boutons_deux
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
"how Americans take care of their own health"
True.
Who wants to pay for somebody else's self-inflicted diseases (diabetes, cardiovascular, smokers) for atrophied fat-asses who can't keep their gluttonous mouths shut?
08-02-2009
Vinnie_Johnson
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by boutons_deux
"how Americans take care of their own health"
True.
Who wants to pay for somebody else's self-inflicted diseases (diabetes, cardiovascular, smokers) for atrophied fat-asses who can't keep their gluttonous mouths shut?
You nailed it we need a Fat tax.
08-02-2009
Wild Cobra
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by Vinnie_Johnson
You nailed it we need a Fat tax.
If nationalized health care passes, I'm all for that.
How about a one-for-one?
Make a persons tax rate on income equal to their body fat percentage?
08-02-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinnie_Johnson
White House adviser won't say no to tax increase
(AP) – 5 hours ago
WASHINGTON — A top White House adviser says he can't rule out a tax on middle-class Americans to pay for President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.
As a candidate, Obama pledged not to raise taxes for most Americans. But economic adviser Larry Summers says he cannot promise that Obama will stick to that campaign pledge.
Summers says it's too early to tell what will be needed to pay for a broad restructuring of how people receive health care.
Summers says controlling health care costs will be crucial to reducing the deficit. He says the health of the economy is directly tied to how Americans take care of their own health.
Summers appeared on CBS's "Face the Nation" and NBC's "Meet the Press."
This would be political suicide and obama knows it. I guess you idiots are just going to have to wait/hope to see if this comes to fruition.
08-02-2009
Vinnie_Johnson
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
If nationalized health care passes, I'm all for that.
How about a one-for-one?
Make a persons tax rate on income equal to their body fat percentage?
Yep base it on BMI.:toast
08-02-2009
baseline bum
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by Vinnie_Johnson
Yep base it on BMI.:toast
BMI. :lol
More proof our healthcare system is currently run by morons (unless you consider LeBron James overweight).
08-02-2009
Spursmania
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
If nationalized health care passes, I'm all for that.
How about a one-for-one?
Make a persons tax rate on income equal to their body fat percentage?
I would love that!!!:toast
08-03-2009
Vinnie_Johnson
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
I was not a fan of Bush, but come on now it's Bush's fault that obama lied? Was he aware of the war in Iraq? Did anyone tell him about TARP? He either made a statement without the facts (Crowely) or He is horrible at math, or HE LIED. Denying he lied ruins any crediblity you might of had.
Here are a couple more lies from the chosen one.
1. End income tax for seniors making less than $50,000
2. Allow five days of public comment before signing bills
3. Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials
4. Create a $3,000 tax credit for companies that add jobs
5. Allow penalty-free hardship withdrawals from retirement accounts in 2008 and 2009
6. Recognize the Armenian genocide
7. Negotiate health care reform in public sessions televised on C-SPAN
As for fiscal responsiblity, he turned the dems in congress loose and granted them everything they ever wanted.
• $2 billion earmark to re-start FutureGen, a near-zero emissions coal power plant in Illinois that the Department of Energy defunded last year because it said the project was inefficient.
• A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.
• $650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.
• $88 million for the Coast Guard to design a new polar icebreaker (arctic ship).
• $448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters.
• $248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters.
• $600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees.
• $400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD's.
• $1.4 billion for rural waste disposal programs.
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• $125 million for the Washington sewer system.
• $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities.
• $1 billion for the 2010 Census, which has a projected cost overrun of $3 billion.
• $75 million for "smoking cessation activities."
• $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges.
• $75 million for salaries of employees at the FBI.
• $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction.
• $500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River.
• $10 million to inspect canals in urban areas.
• $6 billion to turn federal buildings into "green" buildings.
• $500 million for state and local fire stations.
• $650 million for wildland fire management on forest service lands.
• $1.2 billion for "youth activities," including youth summer job programs.
• $88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service.
• $412 million for CDC buildings and property.
• $500 million for building and repairing National Institutes of Health facilities in Bethesda, Maryland.
• $160 million for "paid volunteers" at the Corporation for National and Community Service.
• $5.5 million for "energy efficiency initiatives" at the Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration.
• $850 million for Amtrak.
• $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint.
• $75 million to construct a "security training" facility for State Department Security officers when they can be trained at existing facilities of other agencies.
• $110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems.
• $200 million in funding for the lease of alternative energy vehicles for use on military installations.
08-03-2009
Trainwreck2100
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinnie_Johnson
Yep base it on BMI.:toast
except bmi's a crock of shit anyone with too much muscle would be considered overweight
08-03-2009
Vinnie_Johnson
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100
except bmi's a crock of shit anyone with too much muscle would be considered overweight
Okay fine Body Fat then.:toast
08-03-2009
Wild Cobra
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by Spursmania
I would love that!!!:toast
So would I. Not long ago, I used to vary between 5% and 10%. Now I'm about 25% bodyfat, maybe more. It would motivate me to lose weight like other things haven't.
08-03-2009
Wild Cobra
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100
except bmi's a crock of shit anyone with too much muscle would be considered overweight
I agree, the BMI index is a crock. There's a more accurate ways to determine Bodyfat than BMI. It can be done.
Anyway, we cannot simply use bodyfat alone. There is an optimum range by sex and age. Say for example the optimum range was 12% to 17%, someone has 25%, tax them 8%.
08-03-2009
DarkReign
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Color me unsurprised. This travesty of a healthcare plan, if passed (looks like it will), will require taxes to be raised on everyone.
The disincentive to work only grows. No Adult Left Behind.
08-03-2009
jack sommerset
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
"Read my lips" Mark another Obama lie.
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by jack sommerset
"Read my lips" Mark another Obama lie.
hasn't happened yet therfore not a lie. Thanks for playing
08-03-2009
SonOfAGun
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
These RATS steamroll bullshit agenda through the nation that we do not want and then force us to pay for it. Win or lose (country), they make off like bandits unaffected by their actions.
Fuck these snakes.
08-03-2009
Wild Cobra
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by SonOfAGun
These RATS steamroll bullshit agenda through the nation that we do not want and then force us to pay for it. Win or lose (country), they make off like bandits unaffected by their actions.
Fuck these snakes.
Hey now...
Careful who you call a snake. They aren't good enough to call snakes. They are lower than pond scum.
08-03-2009
jack sommerset
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
hasn't happened yet therfore not a lie. Thanks for playing
Son, he already lied about raising taxes on people who make less than $250,000....this one is just more fuel for the fire. Thanks for playing. Try again.
08-03-2009
jack sommerset
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
I already hear ur lame ass excuse for when he goes after even more of our taxes! BUSH.....:lol
08-03-2009
boutons_deux
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
"that we do not want"
100M+ people said they would use a public insurance option, making that insurance pool bigger than any private insurance company. Just a poll, so cut it in half. 50M, still dwarfs any private insurance company.
Fuck the private insurance companies, they aren't needed.
Obama “Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.” Vote for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Son, he already lied about raising taxes on people who make less than $250,000....this one is just more fuel for the fire. Thanks for playing. Try again.
Oh that's right jack any increase for the middle class obama get's the blame for it. my happy meal went up in price..Oh know it's Obama's fault :rolleyes.. you're such a loser.. you belong on the losing team..
So now we have jack on record as stating any increase to the middle class, whether Obama has anything to do with it or not, is oabma's fault therefore makes him a liar... jack being intellectually dishonest AGAIN..
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Obama “Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes.” Vote for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He never said that..you're lying again jack...
08-03-2009
jack sommerset
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
He never said that..you're lying again jack...
08-03-2009
johnsmith
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
He never said that..you're lying again jack...
:lol That video is Bush's fault.
08-03-2009
Wild Cobra
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Good. He's going to make sure congress reauthorized the Bush tax cuts then, right?
08-03-2009
DarrinS
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Damn. GGA just got owned by that video.
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by jack sommerset
so when did he raise the taxes?
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
Damn. GGA just got owned by that video.
How? he hasn't raised the taxes yet?
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
Good. He's going to make sure congress reauthorized the Bush tax cuts then, right?
Not for the top 2%.
08-03-2009
jack sommerset
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
so when did he raise the taxes?
Raised taxes on smokes.
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Raised taxes on smokes.
I didn't realize this fell under income,payroll, etc taxes.. got it.:rolleyes
Your so lame and dishonest...
08-03-2009
johnsmith
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
How? he hasn't raised the taxes yet?
I'd say it was when you called Jack a liar and said Obama never said that.
08-03-2009
jack sommerset
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
How?
You said I lied AGAIN and he never said that. Show some freaken humility....Just once.
08-03-2009
jack sommerset
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
Your so lame and dishonest...
Classic denial.
08-03-2009
johnsmith
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
I didn't realize this fell under income,payroll, etc taxes.. got it.:rolleyes
Your so lame and dishonest...
I have absolutely no evidence to back this up, but I would bet that a majority of smokers are low to middle income folks.
Not defending this point, because I think if you smoke then it's your own choice, but I can see how you could use this to say Obama jacked up taxes.
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsmith
I'd say it was when you called Jack a liar and said Obama never said that.
jack lies so often it's hard to keep up. my point was he hasn't raised any taxes on the middle class and he reiterated that again today.. so fine he said it.. still makes jack a liar..
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsmith
I have absolutely no evidence to back this up, but I would bet that a majority of smokers are low to middle income folks.
Not defending this point, because I think if you smoke then it's your own choice, but I can see how you could use this to say Obama jacked up taxes.
Ok, where do you draw the line? With this rationale any increase could be pinned on Obama.
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Classic denial.
He hasn't raised taxes.. still lying ..
08-03-2009
johnsmith
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
Ok, where do you draw the line? With this rationale any increase could be pinned on Obama.
Under what administration did taxes on smokes go up?
08-03-2009
jack sommerset
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
jack lies so often it's hard to keep up. my point was he hasn't raised any taxes on the middle class and he reiterated that again today.. so fine he said it.. still makes jack a liar..
HAHAHA look at you go sport. You might not like my opinions but when have I lied? Again show some humility.
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsmith
Under what administration did taxes on smokes go up?
I have no idea. I would assume all of them.
08-03-2009
jack sommerset
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
He hasn't raised taxes.. still lying ..
Dumbass...He raised taxes on Smokes
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
HAHAHA look at you go sport. You might not like my opinions but when have I lied? Again show some humility.
You stated he lied when he said he wasn't going to raise taxes. He hasn't raised them so that makes you a liar.
08-03-2009
johnsmith
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
I have no idea. I would assume all of them.
If I remember right, taxes were raised to pay for Obama's Health plan for children...........therefore, he is fairly responsible.
Having said that, I don't smoke, so I really don't care.
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Dumbass...He raised taxes on Smokes
Did he say that on the video dumbass? Did he ever campaign on not raising cigarette taxes dumbass? You're desperate..that's alright the economy is going to recover and your going to continue to look like a dumbass..
08-03-2009
johnsmith
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
Did he say that on the video dumbass? Did he ever campaign on not raising cigarette taxes dumbass? You're desperate..that's alright the economy is going to recover and your going to continue to look like a dumbass..
He actually said "any form of tax increase" right before he listed off a few examples.
So I suppose the moment a person who is from a family making less then 250 buys a pack of smokes, then Obama lied. There is a lot of smokers still, so I'd say he's lied ALOT.
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsmith
He actually said "any form of tax increase" right before he listed off a few examples.
So I suppose the moment a person who is from a family making less then 250 buys a pack of smokes, then Obama lied. There is a lot of smokers still, so I'd say he's lied ALOT.
:rolleyes
Good luckwith that. I hope you losers use that in 2012..
08-03-2009
jack sommerset
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
George....Honestly...No bullshit. I try not to engage in converstaions with you because you are a idiot. Not because I think u are a idiot because you are a idiot. I should not have posted that video. I should have kept ignoring you. My bad
08-03-2009
johnsmith
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
:rolleyes
Good luckwith that. I hope you losers use that in 2012..
Hey, I'm just stating the facts here, don't get so hurt.
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
George....Honestly...No bullshit. I try not to engage in converstaions with you because you are a idiot. Not because I think u are a idiot because you are a idiot. I should not have posted that video. I should have kept ignoring you. My bad
You're a liar.
08-03-2009
johnsmith
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
You're a liar.
And you're a very sensitive person.
08-03-2009
George Gervin's Afro
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsmith
Hey, I'm just stating the facts here, don't get so hurt.
So I guess I could say that if you don't smoke then you won't have an increase. right?
08-03-2009
johnsmith
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
So I guess I could say that if you don't smoke then you won't have an increase. right?
But if you do, then you will............and frankly, smoking is an addiction, a disease if I may. And I know how you guys are when it comes to helping out these poor souls. Honestly, I'm a little surprised that liberals are ok with further burdening people with a disease. Why do you hate people?
08-03-2009
boutons_deux
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
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Originally Posted by boutons_deux
"how Americans take care of their own health"
True.
Who wants to pay for somebody else's self-inflicted diseases (diabetes, cardiovascular, smokers) for atrophied fat-asses who can't keep their gluttonous mouths shut?
"Overall obesity-related health spending reaches $147 billion, double what it was nearly a decade ago,"
That is a big reason why America has the highest health care costs.
08-03-2009
Jacob1983
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
Obama is going to make Bush out to be a good president. Sad but true. How much money has Obama spent as president? I wonder what the stats are compared to Bush's first year as president? Personally, Obama is such a hypocrite and liar. He blasted Bush's balls for spending so much money on the war in Iraq. Obama wants to spend more money on a communistic epic fail health care plan than Bush ever spent on the war in Iraq. And about broken promises by Obama, wouldn't the closing of Gitmo be one of them? I mean it's still going to be open at the end of the year right?
08-04-2009
Nbadan
Re: Here comes your tax increase Fools.
So much disinformation, so little time
Quote:
"The president was clear during the campaign about his commitment on not raising taxes on middle-class families," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said Monday afternoon. "I don't think any economist would believe that, in the environment that we're in, that raising taxes on middle-class families would make any sense."
