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Dont get me wrong. Moses was a beast. I loved him as a player. If you looked in the dictionary for the definition of work ethic there would be a picture of Moses. You dont last 21 years in the pros without it. But Karl was a beast as well. He has the 2nd most points in NBA history only behind Jabbar and if it wasnt for MJ, he'd have his 2 rings.
25 of the last 30 titles belong to MJ, Magic, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Bird & Olajuwon. You can play that same game for every great player outside of those 7 for the last 3 decades. As Spurs fans we're spoiled because the combination of Tim Duncan, great surrounding talent and luck have given us over a decade's worth of title contention. Most great players aren't nearly that lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by mystargtr34
Moses Malone is definitely a center, he pretty much played his whole career as a center, and particularly those during his prime years with the Rockets and 76ers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain
As for strength of player, you have to put Artis Gilmore in there somewhere. Moses Malone wasn't really that strong, he was more agile and smart.
Mo Cheeks, John Lucas. Sure those two weren't HOF'ers, but they were damn good passers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain
Cmon now, Phila...I was giving you respect unitl you broke out some excuse why Karl malone wasnt good. Because of Stockton? Give me a break, man. You wanna go at this? Lets do it. You seem to have some personal vendetta against Karl malone. How about Jabbar? He is considered the best center ever. Are you gonna say he isnt because he played with Magic? Give it a rest, man. Karl malone is better than Moses. period. No excuses.
Hey, phila...I guess we can say MJ isnt that good because he played with a top 50 player in Pippen.
Didn't Jabbar win a Championship before he ever played with Magic?Quote:
Originally Posted by SteelerNation
And for the record, I'd take Moses over Karl in a heartbeat.
Moses Malone was better than Karl Malone. Karl Malone, despite his size and strength, tend to settle for mid range jump shots too much, and most of that is based on pick and roll. Karl was the better passer, but Moses was the better rebounder, defender, and generally wrecks havoc in the paint.
That being said, Moses Malone was still a center, so he doesn't come into this debate.
Whenever this question pops up, it should have just one response, 2 words: "Tim Duncan" and then locked.
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Originally Posted by Phenomanul
Elvin Hayes needs to be on that list. Hayes > McHale and even Barkley
Elgin Baylor was 6-5 not sure if he was considered a pf or not. But if so he needs to be on the list.
ive never seen kevin mchale played, but it seems like this guy is overrated...would he win leading the celtics without bird? same with parish also...
Agree. I watched him play.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
Basketball was only on TV once a week in the late 60s early 70s (Sunday afternoon).
Teams that were often on were the Celtics, Lakers, Bullets, Bucks, 76ers Bulls and Knicks.
McHale was not overrated, trust me. He is definitely one of the top 5 PF of all time. Not only does he have the best footwork in the history of league (outside of maybe Hakeem), but his defense was top notch.
While Bird took most of the credit for leading the Celtics in the 80's (and rightfully so), he could not have won anything without McHale beside him.
would he dominate a game if no bird?Quote:
Originally Posted by ambchang