better get those springs fixed, kiddo
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better get those springs fixed, kiddo
I would trade TP for 15 first round picks, maybe 14
That's crazy insane...
TPis probably the most Valued player SPURS currently have, it would not be wise to trade your best player. By best player i mean one that is valued the highest in terms of current productivity.
I wish the NBA did have more of the combo point gaurds like back in the day. PG's that could play both the PG and the SG. Like Penny Hardaway, Ron Harper, Grant Hill of his younger days, he was a Point forward but was able to play multiple positions.
Then i might have traded TP for on of them, but talent would need to be at same level of skills as TP is, nothing less.
So it seems he just wants some Kobe lovin'Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
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Originally Posted by completely deck
In a good draft year.Quote:
Originally Posted by vander
Whenever a team has a whole bunch of talented OFFENSIVE players its important to have a point guard who just looks for them in areas where they excel. Parker has Duncan ( post up player / midrange jumpshooter ) Ginobili ( Slasher / 3pt shooter ) Jefferson ( All the above+ dunker ) at his disposal. For all 3 guys to reach their full potential you need a point guard who is willing to give up shots to make sure these legit 20pt scorers get the ball in areas where they can easily score. The spurs have the big 3 in Parker/Duncan/Manu and always build around those 3 as the focal point. Thats why guys like Michael Finley/Brent Barry and a few other seemingly big free agents the Spurs have gotten end up being nothing more than spot-up shooters. Thats why I dont understand the RJ trade. Where does he fit in if Manu stays healthy? He wont get enough shots to be as effective as in all the previous years he's been in the league. With Parker gone and a traditional point guard in place, Tim/RJ/Manu can all get 15-20 shots each a game.
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Originally Posted by portnoy1
Manu's never really come close to averaging over 15 shots a game. And if you average out shots between the 4 a game, it's still less then giving 20 shots to each Timmy, Manu, and RJ (not even considering the former 2 will likely play more limited minutes the regular season).Quote:
Originally Posted by portnoy1
I can agree with this assesment but have to also disagree with the expectation.Quote:
Originally Posted by portnoy1
Parker can be (and has been a very effective assist PG). The problem with the end of the season last year was that Parker was called upon to be a points leader since Ginobili and Duncan were either not available or hobbled with injury.
That role took a toll on Parker's body and ability to play a full game effectively. The addition of RJ and a healthy Manu only opens the opportunity for Parker to be more of a distributor and less of a scorer. A role I think he will relish. Especially if some of the focal point of opposing defenses will be forced to defend against RJ and Manu at the same time.
I also think Parker is not a Ball Hog but rather a mature effective Point Guard who just happens to have the ability to score at will when needed.
This coming season...the Spurs won't be "needing" Parker to score 24 a game and hence his assists per game will probably rise having the offensive weapons that the Spurs now possess.
Because of that...I think Parker will become a top 5 leader in both points and assists regarding PG's in the league.
So No...I wouldn't be shopping Parker until after the Duncan era has come to a close. The window of winning another championship is getting narrower and the Spurs need all the proven and Spurs experienced players it can afford to keep.
Ok fair enough. However what killed us in the playoffs was the role players not being involved in the offense. Half of that is fault/responsibility of the point guard. By having a point guard who understands Strengths of all the players ( Role players especially ) everyone can thrive regardless of who is in or out of the Lineup.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFundamental
Parker Loves to score. Thats not exactly the best attitude for a point guard to have. In an Interview Parker said "I likes having Duncan out for a little while, since that gives me an opportunity to show what I can do". Parker had a couple of 30pt games and junk. He loves to score and looks to score first. Contrast, Deron Williams had 5 straight games where score 30+pts, when asked about that accomplishment he said "I'm not interested in keep a streak of 30pt games going, I'm a distributor and thats what I do best, actually I need to cut my turnovers down and play a liitle more disciplined". Williams understands his role as a point guard. So if the spurs keep Parker, fine. I'm cool with it. As long as they put pieces around him that wont take away his touches. I think RJ will either suffer scoring-wise or Parker will take 5-7 less shots a game. I ask you, which of the above do you think will happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurNation
Uhhhhhh, out of all of those guys, Parker is the most legit 20 PPG scorer and he is efficient. They should defer to him.
Parker is our best scoring option. If Lebron or Kobe was on the team then id be pissed if he didn't pass. But theyre not so I prefer to not give up our number 1 scoring option.
that would be ok too, but I meant having a team's first round pick for 15 years :greedyQuote:
Originally Posted by TheSullyMonster
To a large degree, both will happen. RJ's offensive numbers will be significantly lower as he goes from being a first option to being a 3rd/4th option.Quote:
Originally Posted by portnoy1
Tony's shots per game will also go down as long as TD, Manu, and RJ remain in the line-up. You only have to look at last year's numbers to see that. From Dec 1st until the end of the season, TP played 40 games with Manu in the line-up and 25 without him. In the games without Manu, he averaged 19.36 shots per game. With Manu in the line-up, he averaged 16.47 shots per game.
With Manu and RJ both in the line-up and TD getting his normal touches, it is quite reasonable to expect around 15 shots per game from Tony rather than 20.
Ok, if we agree or disagree I have to say, I really appreciate the fact that you did research an stuff. Alot of guys here talk but dont have any numbers to back what their sayin. Props to you!! and I hope your right about what said above, Cause with all the talent the spurs have its going to take some flawless decision-making by parker to make it all work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
That's just it. The pieces they put around Parker is going to make Parker become an even more effective player (PG). His role of prominant scorer was not a case of whether Parker "preferred" to score more so than a neccessity he did score.Quote:
Originally Posted by portnoy1
I'm not going to pretend that Parker doesn't like to score either...What nba player doesn't? But for the sake of the team and winning championships...I think Parker won't have a problem reducing his shot attempts per game by 5 to 7 if he knows his assists will rise by at least 4 to 5 per game.
Also...it will depend on the situation each game presents. If needed...Parker will have games where he might have to score 24 to 28. But the beauty of it all is he now has other players that can take that load off his shoulders.
He didn't have that luxury last year and I'm sure he would have liked to.
But again...the question is...Should the Spurs Be Shopping Tony Parker?
Why would the Spurs (and personally me for that matter) want to get rid of a known scoring commodity that can also assist for a player that can only assist and not score?
Meaning Rondo or what?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurNation
Meaning (the Spurs) have a PG (Tony Parker) that can provide both scoring and assists.Quote:
Originally Posted by portnoy1
That's a great feature to have in your PG and during this critical window of opportunity to winning a championship I wouldn't shop/trade that for a PG that could only provide 1 of those talents.
There's a small handful of point guards that can score and dish out better than parker. So it really depends on who your shopping him for.
And if you were one of those "other" teams would you trade a (supposedly but doubt) better PG than Parker for Parker?Quote:
There's a small handful of point guards that can score and dish out better than parker. So it really depends on who your shopping him for.