It's hard for Ginobili to make an impact considering he is injured when the playoffs come aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by howbouthemspurs
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It's hard for Ginobili to make an impact considering he is injured when the playoffs come aroundQuote:
Originally Posted by howbouthemspurs
per 48 manu is stupidQuote:
Originally Posted by howbouthemspurs
he is not effective playing more then 25 minutes a night
Manu is not better than Roy. So no he is not top 3 for any stretch of longer than a few gamesQuote:
Originally Posted by crc21209
guy has ray allen number 5
does not bring any crediablilty when he mentions manu in top 4
when does manu guard the best player on d?
he is not a great defender
he will get a couple steals but not a great defender
When does Tim guard the best player?
when is the best player a center:lol:lol:lol:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Plenty of times. Point is, you logic is faulty.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
Manu Ginobili #4 SG for next season? Is he still alive? I thought ducks had already scattered Manu's ashes on the pond. Hmmm, go figure.
very few teams best players are the centersQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
and duncan does guard them in the 4 quarter:rollin
atleast I have a logic you have none:downspin::downspin::downspin:Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
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Originally Posted by ducks
That makes no sense. So Bowen was the only good defender on the Spurs? Because he was the only one guarding the other teams best players?Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
"...and even injured he's better than most."
Nicely said.
Where would you rank a healthy Manu? Yes talent wise there are probably a lot of players that are more talented than him, can score more, and play more consistenly with more minutes but at the same time he's good at finding all kinds of ways to contribute to the wins other than scoring and say what you want to say about PERS but he's very effective with the time he's on court. I've heard a lot of people use the excuse though that the only reason that he's good is he plays behind Tim and Tony and plays against other team's 2nd team players and scrubs. He has shown that he could carry the team when Tim and Tony were out injured for a while.
Dang, ducks is unrelenting with his Manu hate....has he always been like that?
I seem to remember he was the same way with Lebron, saying Carmello was better than him. I don't think he has been trying that for a while.
Ducks, Manu is the best SG/wing that the Spurs have had since Gervin. Sure, he is not a great defender either one-on-one or team D, but he is super clutch, has had a great BB IQ (except for the dirk foul), and does whatever the team needs to win.
Understood, he has had injury problems, but that is no reason to hate. It is really unreasonable your attitude toward him...I have never seen a fan of a team so hateful toward a key piece of their team...a key piece that was a central contributor to multiple championships, in fact.
Manu is the best team-playing SG in the league. He would be a force even at point guard.
JJ is fkn overrated, i dunno why he gets so much love, when his always manus bitch even during the suns days...
Based on overall play...including scoring, rebounding, steals, defense, and most importantly...CLUTCHNESS...I'll take Manu over Roy ANY day.Quote:
Originally Posted by carrao45
he beat the usa team wit nuthin but young allstars i think?Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
oh wait that didnt count huh?:toast
my god, these uncessant ranking threads and the inevitable useless polemics are lame.
there are so many aspects to rank players, it's useless.
Manu, if healthy, is the perfect fit, at the right price, for the spurs as a SG.
Let's do some stats comparison for 2008-2009:
Guard #1 shoots 50.6% for 22ppg in 34mpg (17.5 FG attempts per game)
Guard #2 shoots 43.7% for 21.4ppg in 39.5mpg (18 FG attempts per game)
Who is the best "shooting" guard of the two?
Guard #1 is Tony Parker. Guard #2 is Joe Johnson.
Enough said.
Manu will very likely play 23~24 minutes per game and average 13~14 points.
His role will be closer to that of Toni Kukoc of Bulls in the 90s.
There is no way he can be in the top 5.
Top 7 at best.
then your fuckin stupid. and a homerQuote:
Originally Posted by crc21209
Not saying Manu is better than Kobe by any stretch of the imagination (he's not)....Quote:
Originally Posted by carrao45
BUT I distinctly remember Manu tearing up the Pistons in the 2005 finals... where Kobe failed to do the same the previous year (2004 Finals)...
Fact is, Manu is not a stat padding 2-guard... he contributes in whatever way increases the Spurs' chances of winning... and when his team needs it.... When healthy, Manu always ranked in the top 3 on the Nestle crunch time stat... because he always seemed to step-it-up in the clutch...
In my opinion... there are only a handful of shooting guards that can will their teams to victories, by becoming impossible to contain... Manu is in that select group... and even Kobe will say it.
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Originally Posted by Phenomanul