This health care debate has never been about increasing competition. Although that's what it SHOULD be about.
Right now, it's about making Insurance Companies look worse than the govt.
It's not possible.
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This health care debate has never been about increasing competition. Although that's what it SHOULD be about.
Right now, it's about making Insurance Companies look worse than the govt.
It's not possible.
Could have told you that. So why not create a more competitive marketplace for the private insurers instead of adding undu stress on the government by creating a massive logistical effort of a public option.
Tort reform did nothing but screw over victims, no savings realized by patients, only by doctors (did their premiums really go down? by how much?), but the big winner was health insurers who pay out less on liability policies.
Regulations aren't causing health insurance to rise 5%-7%/year, no regulations won't stop that rise, and certainly not cause any reductions.
Health insurers are a mafia ripping wealth and raises off employees before the employees have any chance to even smell their salary.
Imagine the firestorm if taxes were rising 5-7%/year.
Texas passed tort reform and they (Texas) still have the highest rate of uninsured in the country.
So what?Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
It's amazing...this country survived close to 200 yrs without having the need for everyone to be "insured."
Now, it's like "the country can't survive if everyone isn't 'insured'."
At the same time people are attacking insurance companies...they are demanding everyone be insured.
Really...I blame Woodstock on all this.
The problematic illegal immigration will only get aggravated to uncontrollable degree if the government continues to give them so much welfare that they actually don't deserve.
:lmao:lmao:lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Did you really just call someone 'PussyEater'?
:lmao:lmao
Is that an insult or not?
Come on now..........you know as well as I do why Texas has the highest rate of uninsured..........Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
Illegal immigration is a separate, serious problem. I'm sure the corporate-financed swift-boat mobs will scream down Magic Negro's proposed solution, too.
IIRC, what he said during the campaign was that illegals could become legal residents (not citizens) if they paid a penalty for breaking the law and got in line, and waited, behind legal applicants for work permits.
It's completely Magic Negro's fault the the Repugs did nothing about illegal immigration for 8 years.
That Magic Negro sounds like a real PussyEater!
ok, show me whatever documentation that supports whatever your point is.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsmith
Okay...Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
Tort reform was supposed to influence Medical Malpractice premiums (haven't seen whether it did or not, but I'd bet the best reaction would have been to just slow down increases).
That means for it to actually affect health insurance policies, you'd need the MedMal insururs (a completely different set, no one does both medmal and health policies) to lower their premiums, then doctors to lower their prices (not likely as they'd just reinvest the savings somewhere else), and then health insurors could lower their premiums (again, more likely just to slow the rate of increase).
There's too many steps for one to make a direct connection there.
Texas also has one of the highest rates of medical liability cases that get filed.
Personally, I think limiting punitive damages in medical liability cases (except where permanent disability or death is involved) to a ratio of actual damages is a good thing, because it's FAIR.
Break the ones in bold down a bit. Poor people - Been to the south, east, or west side of SA lately? How about East Austin? Or South Dallas? We have a lot of fucking poor people here.Quote:
According to a summary of national data by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), groups with a high likelihood of lacking health insurance include:
People in families with income below 200 percent of the poverty level;
Hispanics;
Young adults, age 19 to 34;
People in families in which the adults worked either part-time or only part of the year; or
Individuals in fair or poor health status who are significantly more likely than others to be uninsured for longer periods.
Hispanics- Figure that out yourself.
Poor Health Status - Which state always ranks in top 2 for fatties like yourself?
And don't forget the more then 1,000,000 illegals currently living of your tit.
Now GGA, quit being such a PussyEater...........wait, I'm still not sure if that is an insult or not.
so the poorest of texas' ctizens still lack insurance.. that's shocking. SO insurance companies still haven't reduced premuims..so why did we need tort refom again? If I remember corretly tort reform was supoosed to bring malpractice insurance down and costs wer suposed to follow...nice job conservatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsmith
Hey, you brought up that Texas still has a high uninsured rate and I told you why........nothing more and nothing less.......Texas is full of poor, fat, and hispanic folk, therefore, the uninsured rate is high.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
And I'll see your tort reform and raise you a 'stimulus package was supposed to stimulate the economy' not just do awesome things like establishing an actual border through the gulf of Mexico seperating the US and Mexico.
so since tort reform happened 5 or 6 yrs ago I guess to be fair (which I know your not) you should give the stimulus package the same amount of time to be effective. You criticize Texas yet that is the standard by which all conservatives use to show how conservatism works at the state level..Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsmith
Exactly that's why I blame the immigrants on all the messes, both legal and those illegal. But I don't think that can be only be solved by strengthening the fence along the Mexico border, as the flights have been carrying much bigger numbers of immigrants inboard than those penetrated through the border. Texans speak relatively slower English which is more understandable to dumbass immigrants, that's the reason why Texas is always the destination for immigrants and therefore there're more livings uninsured in Texas. Sincerely the federal government should tighten the filter to immigrants, for the perpetual prosperity of America.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsmith
"why did we need tort refom again?"
TX Congresscritters, as corrupt as any in the country, passed tort reform to protect the heavy-lobbying liability insurers and wealthy doctors, while fucking over victims of malpractice, slamming the court house door in their faces.
Where did I criticize Texas? I pointed out that we have more Fat, Hispanic, and poor people then most states.......that's not criticizing. You should let chumpdumper put words in everyone's mouth because he's at least funny and much better at it then you.Quote:
Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro
Agreed. It is a separate serious problem. But it is a problem that directly affects health care costs since these people do get sick , injured and need medical assistance.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
Who do you think pays for that medical care when they are being admitted to clinics and hospitals to care for themselves and their children?
And if the government truly would want to crack down on illegal immigration all they would have to do is set up shop at any work force location or "Santa Whatever" Catholic sponsored charity hall and have bus loads of illegals to process and deport.
It won't happen that way though since many small businesses compile much of their day labor work force from these locations. Paid in cash. No paper trail. Cheap labor.
And the hypocrosy is that most of the people (from democrats to republicans) receiving the services of these people know they are illegal.
Democrats and Republicans talk the talk...point the fingers...but in reality knowingly contribute to the problems. It's ALWAYS somebody else's fault.
PFFFT.
No kidding.Quote:
Originally Posted by johnsmith
Yonivore parroting conservative talking points get trashed:
"High on the list of recommendations in Romney’s health care platform is an idea frequently touted as a silver bullet by conservatives: allow insurance companies to sell policies across state lines. Doing so, they say, will increase competition and, consequently, bring down the cost of coverage.The problem is that no one had done a study to determine definitively whether the across-state-lines idea would work—until now. And the conclusion of that study, conducted by the Georgetown University Health Policy Institute, is that allowing coverage to be purchased across state lines is much more of a blank than a bullet.
The study also finds that no new federal law is even needed to allow insurance companies to sell policies across state lines.
“With or without changes to federal law, states already have full authority to decide whether or not to allow sales across state lines and, if so, under what circumstances,” the study noted.
Of course, you wouldn’t know that from listening to Romney and other politicians who seem to believe than an act of Congress is needed. It isn’t. State legislatures can make it happen whenever they want, but, so far, only six have decided to try it. Georgia, Maine and Wyoming have enacted legislation in recent years to allow out-of-state insurers to sell policies within their borders. Lawmakers in Kentucky, Rhode Island and Washington passed bills requiring their insurance departments to research the idea and determine interest from out-of-state insurers.
The lawmakers who championed the legislation expected their states would be inundated with applications from insurers far and wide eager to sell their policies. But it hasn’t happened. In fact, not a single insurance company has expressed the slightest interest in doing business in any of those six states. "
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/...=Google+Reader
the old free market and competition pixie dust, just sprinkle some around, kill ALL regulations, and all will be wonderful
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.Quote:
Originally Posted by boutons_deux
you're saying insurance companies are forbidden by FEDERAL LAW from selling across state lines, so states cannot allow it? If so, which Federal law is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by vy65