48MoH: Should The Spurs Make Another Move Before Camp?

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Originally Posted by portnoy1

according to ESPN trade machine we can trade RJ to Rockets for Scola/Battier/Barry and then make another trade for cash to unload a vet or ian.

The Spurs are trying to get a big 4, but it just doesnt seem possible unless Pop tweaks the offense. If not, then RJ is basically getting $14 mill to TRY and be a stopper and to fill in incase Manu gets hurt. By making that deal with the Rockets both teams get what they need.

1 - the spurs have the big 3 of PG-Parker/SG-Manu/PF/C-Duncan and then at SF-battier a defensive stopper and C/PF-Scola a rebounder and lowpost scorer with and outside touch. Then the bench of Hill/Mason JR./Blair/Mcdyess. Now if Manu goes down you can go back to throwing the ball in the post more to Duncan/Scola and setting up a 3pt game with Mason Jr./Finley. If Tim goes down you can give his post touches to Scola and more shots to Mason Jr.

2 - the Rockets dont have a legit 20-25pts scorer. Ariza was a desperation move once they realized artest was gonna go. He cant give 20pts a night. With no Mcgrady / Yao the rockets wont be able to score. With brooks at the point you can expect more points say 13pts, Ariza as the defensive stopper and 12pts, Jefferson at 20pts, Lowry/Hayes at the PF position and then David Anderson at Center pointing up some solid numbers. With Mcgrady's contract at $22 mill the Rockets can now trade him to a sorry team in exchange for younger talent (i.e. Marc Gasol and a few other throw ins ). Bottom line is the Rockets are going to suck regardless, but al least they'll know where their points are gonna come from ( RJ ).


PG - Parker / Hill / Barry
SG - Mason Jr. / Manu / Hairston
SF - Battier / Finley / Haislip
PF - Duncan /Blair / Bonner
C - Scola / Mcdyess / Ratliff

leftovers are Ian/M. Willams or Hairston/Bonner for a trade to unload salaries. This trade also seals up the ? at PG. Barry can run the point if the spurs start to run thin. He was the PG for the sonics for 1 1/2 seasons. FYI - the numbers that scola and battier put up will stay the same or maybe increase since the big 3 of Duncan/Parker/Manu are much better passers then Yao/Tmac/Artest.

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Can we at least make an attempt at being realistic?

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Originally Posted by benefactor

Can we at least make an attempt at being realistic?

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whats unrealistic about that? the trade or the roster or what?

The only thing we're missing is a counter to West/Odom-type athletic forwards, and who knows, that could be what they brought Haislip in for.

We have about the best roster that could have been assembled, let's see how the first three months of the season pan out.

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Originally Posted by portnoy1

whats unrealistic about that? the trade or the roster or what?

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The fact that the FO just brought RJ into the team, and thus obviously want to play him. :rolleyes

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Spurs FO knows way more things about the state of their roster than fans.

Ginobili's health is a question mark for fans but Spurs' staff have medical reports about him. Spurs have a good idea if his previous injuries have long term consequences.

Haislip is a question mark for fans but Spurs' staff has seen tons of games with him in Europe and has seen him practicing this summer. He isn't a sure thing but Spurs have surely a good idea on what he could provide or not to the team.

Even if this team has some question marks, Spurs should have a quite good idea about their needs. I think they are fine with their current roster but if the right trade is on the table, they will do it now.

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good word. that's what i try to say on here to people who always say that gino or parker needs traded, spurs FO needs to do this, do that... i get so sick of it. spurs FO are the pros when it comes to player management, don't call any of them idiots when they've studied players, studied the game, and make hundreds of thousands of dollars to doing it everyday. they're the pros, not us

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

The fact that the FO just brought RJ into the team, and thus obviously want to play him. :rolleyes

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The more I think about the trade, the more nervous I get. The spurs went out on a limb to pay $14 million to RJ. We know what he can do offensively, Drive/Post/Shoot/Dunk. However the only thing I'm hearing is him being the main defensive stopper. And all those offensive skills I mention above are meaningless when your the 4th option. Like Finley all those skills will be used to support the big 3, which means he will be taking alot of jumpers and 3's like win Finley came here. The only reason the spurs would pay that kinda money is if they knew something about Manu. Like, if he gets hurt and he's out for 1-2 months with the same issues then they trade him, and get a real big man (7'0)or 2-3 solid role players for him. Because making RJ a third option works perfectly, instead of him being a Defensive stopper and taking whatever shots come his way. Manu is my favorite player, he has been since coming to the league. I'm just wondering if the FO really feels that all 4 guys can work together and be offensively effective/balanced. Or are they not saying something ( Manu is on the trading block ) so that Spurs fans wont protest. If RJ comes out to be all that and more and the spurs trade Manu, it will go over much better instead of the spurs saying we might trade if he doesn't heal right of the bat. Kinda like they did with Malik Rose for Nazr Mohamhed. They did it all of a sudden and by the time everybody realized what Nazr did for the Spurs nobody gave a crap about Malik, all they thought about was winning another title, which they did with Nazr as the starting center.

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Originally Posted by portnoy1

The spurs went out on a limb to pay $14 million to RJ. We know what he can do offensively, Drive/Post/Shoot/Dunk. However the only thing I'm hearing is him being the main defensive stopper. And all those offensive skills I mention above are meaningless when your the 4th option.

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Check out what Pop has to say on the subject. Begins at about the 4 minute mark.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/features/090825_pop.html

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Originally Posted by Mel_13

Check out what Pop has to say on the subject. Begins at about the 4 minute mark.

http://www.nba.com/spurs/features/090825_pop.html

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The whole Post up thing!! i'm figuring thats what your talking about. If so I was right about the spurs tweaking their offense. I like him posting up, cause we some more scoring downlow besides Duncan.

Also, when/if Gino is not starting, RJ will be the 3rd option with TP and Duncan. So he won't be just spotting up. He will be able to create with the ball in his hands, post up and do other things.

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Originally Posted by portnoy1

The whole Post up thing!! i'm figuring thats what your talking about. If so I was right about the spurs tweaking their offense. I like him posting up, cause we some more scoring downlow besides Duncan.

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Of course the offense will be tweaked. If you start RJ and McDyess in place of Finley and Bonner, there will be adjustments. Pop talked Holt into spending an extra 18-20M in payroll to buy some shiny new toys. He's going to use them. They're not paying RJ 14M to try to morph into a Bowen clone.

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

Let's trade RJ for LeBron!

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Team player and a 3/4th option. LJ does not fit that bill at all.

If we traded to get Outlaw/Prizbilla from the blazers which is worth 10mill would you do it? and how?

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Originally Posted by portnoy1

If we traded to get Outlaw/Prizbilla from the blazers which is worth 10mill would you do it? and how?

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Would I be for acquiring those two?

Sure.

But, why would the Blazers look to unload those two to the Spurs?

Forgetting the fact that Pritchard has no intention of helping the Spurs, you know, for the sake of argument, what assets do the Spurs have to make an equitable trade?

I just don't see a scenario where both teams fill a need or get better.

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Originally Posted by portnoy1

If we traded to get Outlaw/Prizbilla from the blazers which is worth 10mill would you do it? and how?

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offer them Tony. they might bite.
give 6'2" and get back 13'10". good deal!

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Originally Posted by mountainballer

offer them Tony. they might bite.
give 6'2" and get back 13'10". good deal!

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If were gonna give them Parker I want alot more than Prizbilla/Outlaw. If They trade Parker then Aldrige/Blake is the deal FOR STARTERS. They would probably have to throw in someone else to, to make that deal. Theirs no way I'd give up Parker for cheap. I'm not his biggest fan by any means, However he is an extremely valuable player so if he is trade you need a point guard and a few solid role players that can be stars if given the opportunity, Hence a point guard in Blake/Aldrige or Blake/Oden/Outlaw for Parker

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Originally Posted by portnoy1

If were gonna give them Parker I want alot more than Prizbilla/Outlaw. If They trade Parker then Aldrige/Blake is the deal FOR STARTERS. They would probably have to throw in someone else to, to make that deal. Theirs no way I'd give up Parker for cheap. I'm not his biggest fan by any means, However he is an extremely valuable player so if he is trade you need a point guard and a few solid role players that can be stars if given the opportunity, Hence a point guard in Blake/Aldrige or Blake/Oden/Outlaw for Parker

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Wow..

Your eagerness to trade Parker has apparently caused your sarcasm detector to malfunction.

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Originally Posted by BLACKJACK21

Would I be for acquiring those two?

Sure.

But, why would the Blazers look to unload those two to the Spurs?

Forgetting the fact that Pritchard has no intention of helping the Spurs, you know, for the sake of argument, what assets do the Spurs have to make an equitable trade?

I just don't see a scenario where both teams fill a need or get better.

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They definitely want to dump Pryz. He's the stopper from them being MAJOR players next summer. However, my price, if I'm making the deal, is no less than Rudy Fernandez to take Pryz off their hands.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

They definitely want to dump Pryz. He's the stopper from them being MAJOR players next summer. However, my price, if I'm making the deal, is no less than Rudy Fernandez to take Pryz off their hands.

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What's Pryzbilla's contract?

Whatever the case, if the Spurs could acquire him for nothing more than expirings that would be seeing minimal time when it comes to playoff time, I think I'd do it. Sure, I'd try to get as much value as possible -- i.e. Rudy -- but he wouldn't be a deal breaker.

I've said all along that if the Spurs are going to improve, it'd be best with a legit 7'-ish defender or with a Bowen-esque wing; one that could play significant minutes alongside both RJ and Manu.

Pryzbilla fits the defensive 5 and if the contract isn't too ridiculous, I'd be all for his acquisition.

But I still don't see Pritchard making a deal with the Spurs that he's not seen as raping or at least getting the better of..

7M with an ETO

Not bad.. When's the ETO?

2010/2011, but he has a 15% trade kicker as well.

What the hell..

It ain't my money.:lol

No more moves. It's been pretty much a perfect offseason

We have an excellent mix of youth and vets, and about 7mil in expirings to use before the deadline if something goes wrong. We really need to find out what the young guys are going to give us before shuffling the deck any more, and that means playing wait and see until January.

Lock and load, and make a stand HERE with what we've got.

:ihit

PS Anyone talking about trading Tony should be put up against a wall and SHOT. Trade one of the 3 best PGs in the world in his prime? GTFO here. Where's No Limit Army Commander when you need him?

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

No more moves. It's been pretty much a perfect offseason

We have an excellent mix of youth and vets, and about 7mil in expirings to use before the deadline if something goes wrong. We really need to find out what the young guys are going to give us before shuffling the deck any more, and that means playing wait and see until January.

Lock and load, and make a stand HERE with what we've got.

:ihit

PS Anyone talking about trading Tony should be put up against a wall and SHOT. Trade one of the 3 best PGs in the world in his prime? GTFO here. Where's No Limit Army Commander when you need him?

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finally some sense in this thread-- how much better of an off season could anyone have predicted this year--
let's wait at least until oct 7 to start changing anything on this team

We have a chance to win a title -as is-- who could have thought that 4 months ago:flag: