He says he wants to go to Cleveland or anywhere in Texas..
let the threads begin..
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He says he wants to go to Cleveland or anywhere in Texas..
let the threads begin..
Wow, he CALLED you?
Still not going to happen.
But man, wouldn't that be sweet...
if he would just as soon be a mav then I don't even want him :bangQuote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
Uh, he's FROM Texas. I don't think he's going to be picky if he has a chance to go back close to home. I'm sure that SA's probably #1, HOU #2 being just next door to home, and Dallas #3, but why would you piss off a team by revealing these rankings?Quote:
Originally Posted by vander
POp said something recently about Jefferson bringing Jax's talent without the drama. He laughed as he said it and you could tell Jax wasn't ever coming back as long as Pop calls the shots.
Holt already took on Jeffersons contract, I don't remember Jax's numbers but I remember them being pretty big.
lolQuote:
Originally Posted by wildbill2u
If he really wants to come back to Texas, I see Houston as the only team that would really need a perimeter player like him seeing as how T-Mac may not make it through the season again. I really don't see him going to Dallas, much less coming back here.
Doesn't Jax only make about 8 million?Quote:
Originally Posted by Muser
He'll make $7.65M next year. That's roughly half of RJ's salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muser
http://www.shamsports.com/content/pa...s/warriors.jspQuote:
Originally Posted by Muser
Stephen Jackson $7,650,000 $8,453,250 $9,256,500 $10,059,750
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...tradeId=ntrl7w
lets get it started!
For Mookie
Parker
Jackson
RJ
Duncan
Dice
Bench
Hill
Manu
Finley
Blair
Ian
He expires the same time as Duncan, but he is also old now. He would never fit here. We got enough scorers. I am also quite sure after all his time in Golden State, he forgot how to defend.
jackson for manu
only way it would happen
He actually expires one year after Duncan.
Why? Who else would give GS someone like Manu, knowing that GS has to trade him?Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
So, if it is just salary, than Bonner and Mason expire next year as well and they are not nearly as talented as Manu.
First of all, Finley is the one who should get shipped off.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
The next thing would be get GSW wants to move Corey Magette's contract off so if the Spurs could facilitate that, we could get S-Jax.
They would probably want some younger talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chieflion
At this point of time, they probably just need some more bigs. GSW and Spurs are just not good trading partners which is why a 3rd party to facilitate this needs to be involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Rights to Tiago Splitter could be included. They have Biedrins and Randolph, Wright and Turiaf. Bonner would actually give them back their Troy Murphy type player.
Which is why a 3rd team needs to be involved to absorb a larger contract, or a team with a TPE like the Nuggets.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeJuanitoBlair
But to say Manu is the only way is just Ducks being a quack.
why insurance incase manu is not healthyQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
right now manu's trade value is not all that either
???Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
as for the actual trade..I've said I'm against it in the past, and my opinion hasn't really changed..the only way I take Jackson is if he's willing to come off the bench in a Manu role, so we'll see how that would play out..that would allow Manu to start, and it would allow Pop to rest him throughout the season..
we would also be the deepest team in the NBA..
starting Jackson wouldn't work though IMO, so he would need to accept that role..
do you thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
rj,mason,tp,duncan,hill, manu and jackson
would get enough touches
spurs would be overcrowed if they did not trade on of those players for him
Nope. Spurs could just do Mason and Bonner + rights to someone. Or if you were dead set on Finley+Bonner, you could just throw in Marcus Williams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chieflion
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...tradeId=mvdmd6
Manu is one of those guys who is more valuable to the Spurs than the rest of the other teams who will probably treat him like just another expiring. No way the Spurs trade him.
Ya they've been mentioning it a lot here(I'm in NY)..I think he was just saying that because of Al Harrington though..he said he wanted to win another title, and he obviously must know he won't win shit in NY..Quote:
Originally Posted by DeJuanitoBlair
mason is clutcher then sj
Jackson would get all of Mason's touches. If he wants out and wants to be a part of a winner, he has to make sacrifices.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
He did not say he wanted out of GS because he did not get enough touches.
This is what I would do but GSW would just counter with a " You take Maggette."Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
If i am not wrong, Finley's + Mason's contracts are = to Jax's contract right?
If we trade Mason, we get Jax, who can run facilitate the offence and start in place of Mason. AND we will get Finley off our butts and thus able to sign a third string point guard to back up Hill if he bursts. See, its win win.
so where is mason going?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Playoffs Ducks. Playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
He would be traded Ducks. Mason + Bonner for Jackson works.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
why would gs want mason when they could have manu?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sotongball21
it works for you but not gs:lol:lol:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
It is still more upside+expiring contract than I can think of than another team would offer for a guy who comes out publicly that he wants to be traded.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
GS is going to get low balled.
do you think anyone would want BOONER?
If its any team in Texas, Its going to be Houston. I'd love him back on the Spurs but I have a feeling Pop wouldn't.
I mean why not just offer finley and booner
I would start Finley and have Manu and Jax off of the bench.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
yeah because jax would love not starting....................
Because Manu is a better player than Mason? And I am sure Manu will take less money next year since this is his contract year (IIRC). AND Manu can come off the bench with Jefferson to score heaps off the other team's 2nd string players.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
should not spurs just bring back scola to ...................
oh wait he has not told houston to fuck off yet like sj did to gs
then spurs fans would want scola back
manu is not a better player when he is on bench playing on facebookQuote:
Originally Posted by Sotongball21
he might he did not care about money when he said fuck you spurs I am playing even though spurs said no contract extension talk if you go playQuote:
Originally Posted by Sotongball21
or you could say he is not intersted in playing the rest of his days here
Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
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Originally Posted by ducks
Once again Ducks, when a player comes out and demands to be traded, he puts his team in a terrible position. Especially when he is older and has a long contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
So, please answer the question. Name a team that would offer good talent for Jackson? At least as good as Manu. I want names and salaries that match please.
GS could use a guy like Bonner. He is a decent defender, runs the floor well and is an excellent 3 point shooter. He would be their poor mans Troy Murphy whom they liked.
You could offer Finley, but that would mean you would have to add a 3rd player if Bonner was the other piece. And as I said before, Mason is more attractive to GS because of talent and age than Finley. He is not Manu, but is a good coup for Jackson. Not to mention he is expiring.
So please do not avoid this. Answer the question to back up your claims.
The only thing of interest to GS would be expiring contracts. Maybe Fin and Bonner (which I would doubt) But also could be current draft picks and future as well.
Jackson would be a great piece of the puzzle for 2 to 3 years to come. But likelyhood is highly improbable.
suns might offer amare if they are afraid he will walkQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
and gs is intersted in amare
Keep in mind, I am not saying the Spurs want or could get Jackson, or that GS would be willing to trade him.
I am just saying that more than likely, they would not be able to get a guy like Manu for him.
Why would you think this? Why would the Suns want Jackson over Amare? Not to mention you still would have about 9M in salaries to match from GS, who?Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
because AMARE has said their is a 50-50 chance he will resign with suns
That makes no sense. They would rather let him walk and get cap space then trade for an aging player with a long contract.
dude this is the suns
You have lost.
Jackson wouldn't go anywhere if he was guaranteed to start, and Pop wouldn't guarantee starting to anybody coming in.
Jackson is a stupid head case, like his fight-friend Artest.
Dime: You made a big declaration earlier today by saying you wanted out of Golden State. When did you decide this?
Stephen Jackson: It’s not about a decision I made. It’s just things are in the air right now. I really can’t get too much into it right now, but I’m just looking to go somewhere where I can go and win a championship.
Dime: Are the Warriors aware of this?
SJ: Yeah they all know.
Dime: Is there anywhere specifically you want to go?
SJ: Either Cleveland, anywhere in Texas or out here with Al in New York.
http://dimemag.com/2009/08/breaking-...te/#more-18251
does sj think james is going to new york or something?
well we could always trade richard jefferson for him :lol
Bring Jax back
Understanding you have high intelect...go coach an NBA team and see if you can do better than what Pop has done with the Spurs.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeJuanitoBlair
Jackson is and has always been a role player. He's made a ton of $$$ but is really no better then he was as a Spur. He doesn't make teams better. He provides offense off the bench--period! Mentally, he goes where the $$$ is aka Claxton, Turkelu, etc.! LOSERS! Let him go to the Geldings--they need another headcase.
We all know jax wants out, so would you guys do this if Golden State wanted too as well?
Manu + Bonner + Finley + Fill
for
Jax and Biedris?
At first I said hell no, but then looking at our lineup...
Parker/Hill
SJax/Mason
RJ/
Duncan/Blair/Ratliff
Biedris/Mcdyess/Ian
I'm predicting he's gone by the trade deadline, not so sure if he will actually get to a destination he would like to go.
It would be funny if he ended up with the Lakers
Quote:
Originally Posted by mfanatic
Silly, why would anyone here want to trade Manu? So stupid... Biedrins doesn't fit into our team. We only really like bigs that can atleast shoot 15ft jumpers with some form of consistency. Biedrins can only score within 5ft of the basket.
Well, if we played Manu only 25-30 minutes (about right), and RJ 30-35 (about right), that leaves almost 30 for SJ.
But I don't know if SJ would really help the team. He would need to be on the floor with either RJ or Manu, and there are only so many touches to go around. He would be the 3rd perimeter scorer on the team, and he is geared for being the number 1 guy. He would also want to be the guy in crunch time, and Manu and Parker already have that job.
Further, I don't know if he wants to do the dirty work (play great d) that would make him a true benefit to the team.
With that said, if we could trade Bonner and Mason for him (never happen), it would financially probably work; obviously talent wise GS would never do it, and could do much better...
I don't think that SJ has much leverage with his team right now. They can tell him to shut up and play.
Jackson > Mason
Sure Jackson is more of a headcase and takes more shots but if hes serious about winning more championships than he knows what is required of him in Pops system. Jax would have to accept that hes a role player with limited shots and primarily used for defensive purposes. Lakers are really long and with Mason in the lineup he makes the advantage for the Lakers even more noticible. Jackson is 6'7'' and can defend Kobe fairly well.
I say if the offer is on the table you take it. Mason may be a better shooter but Jackson has proven to be the better defender and playmaker. A trade for Jackson would make the Spurs that MUCH better....
the numbers work mason,bonner,finley for jackson and we can also throw in a future 1st pick
and then our bench is full of young future spurs with some veterans and jackson is not that bad of a defender but i dont think he is better than jefferson then defending
I would fail to see the humor.Quote:
Originally Posted by lefty
rj has not played a minute as a spurQuote:
Originally Posted by DeJuanitoBlair
yet so how could he be a dirk stopper yet
chemistry wise HELL NOQuote:
Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
mason shoots better
and is a better teamate
and less turnovers
duncan and pop can get rj to play better d
in case you did not know rj had to score
could not put up much energy on d
here with spurs his d will be better
mason is not a point guardQuote:
Originally Posted by DeJuanitoBlair
tp and hill are the point guards
yeah I say sj jack up alot of bad shots and miss:lol:lol:lol:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DeJuanitoBlair
remind me what gs did the last decade
gs kicking out mavs that year was not an upsetQuote:
Originally Posted by DeJuanitoBlair
gs owned them all year
sj can not shut down anyone by himself:lol:lol:lol:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DeJuanitoBlair
gs could not shut down anyone
gs did not make the playoffs last yearQuote:
Originally Posted by DeJuanitoBlair
bucks were hurt
bucks had less talent then gs did when they made the playoffs