Then make your point. Bonus points if it's lucid.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
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Then make your point. Bonus points if it's lucid.Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4dopes
It's not free speech when you have an unwilling captive audience. If he says anything partisan, or of an agenda type item, Millions of parents will be outraged.
Schools are a place of learning. Not for political indoctrination. Do you liberals really believe that's not his intent?
I am glad you agree Obama should tell parents what he wants to teach our kids. He has not. That alone should make you understand why some parents are not letting there kids go to school that day. :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
Umm I wrote it. They are team Obama. He is always campaigning. Yes they, I mean Obama and his administration do want the kids to write how Obama inspires them. Thus is why they, I mean Obama and his administration ask you to write down the answer to "How does Obama inspire you?" I don't need a memo to tell me how to raise my kid. People can think for themselves. I certainly do. I guess I will say "no" everything has to be a zero sum game. I guess it is fortunate that is not my reality. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue
Please use it. You have my full endorsement. Good day to you.
For some reason this thread makes me want to go listen to Pink Floyd's The Wall.
Hey! Obama! Leave those kids alone!
All in all it's just more of Barack in school halls.
I wonder how many parents will keep their kids home that day?
I'm checking with my kids school what time are they going to teach Obamas school lesson. I am hoping after 9:00 am. Crazy rule but if she stays in school until 9 she gets credit for the whole day. Regardless my kid will not have to listen to that liar. That's another thing people just don't get. People don't want there kids to get any lessons from a known liar. You may want to pretend the guy does not lie. You would be wrong. You may want to say his lies are campaign promises. You would be wrong. You may want to say it's ok for people to lie. That is your business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wild Cobra
i wish we were all so principled about lies and deceit and the malevolence of the world outside the context of partisan influences.
Calling you dumb is not the same as trying to restrict your right to pull your kid from school.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurNation
WTF....Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
Ok, you post later in this thread that you won't follow a liar.
And yet you posted earlier here that you haven't seen ONE Obama supporter disagree with anything. Which is absolute BS. There's been multiple posts, a few from myself against his vote on FISA. You're just being disingenuous.
GTFO, you troll.
I love all these people who agree with 95% of the Republican platform but insist they're not Republicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurNation
Sorry but I don't see it. Maybe there are some buried among the threads...Fuck you for calling me a troll......And where is the video u promised meQuote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
Sorry, but there's alot of stuff Obama is and isn't doing that is pissing me off. :) Alot of Obama supporters are pissed off about him not producing all the transparency he talked about, as well as being quite lax on civil liberties.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
And I just sent the video out. Thanks for the reminder!
Oh...I agree with many Democratic platforms...I just disagree on how they want to achieve most of those goals. Where as I wish Republican's would embrace some of those great ideas of their Democrat counterparts with their inate ability to govern and lead without making it mandated laws further burdening the public.Quote:
Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
For instance:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134082
If it was so important to you, if you cared half as much as you pretend to, then your course of action is the weakest cop out a parent could pull.Quote:
Originally Posted by jack sommerset
If you had any real conviction, or true virtue, you'd arm your child with knowledge and perspective and have him/her attend that day.
That way, when the inevitable loaded question rears its head, your child can lend the necessary perspective to all in the room.
But why bother, right? Better to just shut your eyes, close the doors and keep lil' Susie out of school for fear of....whatever the fuck it is you fear from a sitting President addressing students on the importance of an education.
I don't really think this is that big of an issue. He's on TV so often that he's lost a lot of his star power.
He's like the ShamWow guy of the political world, only less effective.
ROFLMAO :lol:lol:lol:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
i hope he's not going to tell us "you're going to love my nuts!"Quote:
Originally Posted by DarrinS
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Originally Posted by Nbadan
Originally, Obama wanted all children to write about how they coud help the president:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...ts-help-obama/Quote:
The Obama administration is rethinking its course recommendations for students ahead of President Obama's address to the the nation's schoolchildren next week, rewriting its suggestions to teachers for student assignments on how to "help the president."
White House aides said the language was supposed to be an inspirational, pro-education message to America's youths, but its unintended consequences were evident.
Among the activities initially suggested for pre-K to 6th grade students was to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."
Another assignment for students after hearing the speech was to discuss what "the president wants us to do."
The suggestion about writing letters has since been changed to: "Write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."
White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said the changes to the language are intended to make the lesson plans clearer. He added that the speech is not a policy speech, but is intended to encourage kids to work hard and commit to school.
The speech is "about the value of education and the importance of staying in school as part of his effort to dramatically cut the dropout rate," Vietor said.
The Washington Times was first to report Thursday that the plan was being reconsidered. Presidential aides also acknowledged to the newspaper that they helped the U.S. Education Department write the suggested assignments, which stirred criticism by many who say Obama is trying to indoctrinate the education system.
Christina Erland Culver, former deputy assistant secretary for education, said presidents have traditionally addressed classrooms on the first day of school, but the problem with the event was the accompanying materials from the Department of Education.
"That's where they kind of got into a slippery spot. Federal statute denies any authority to the Department of Education to provide any kind of curriculum or anything that can be passed down to the state, and that's part of the statute forming the Department of Education. So they kinda got themselves into this mess because they didn't really understand some of the key legal roles or the dos and don'ts at the federal Department of Ed," she said.
SUCK IT, NBADAN.
Ah, the old grammar attack...it's my favorite. Nice Job!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartleby
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Parents' outrage preview of Obama TV Sept. 8?
Televised school messages that 'glorify' president called indoctrination
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Posted: September 02, 2009
9:19 pm Eastern
By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
Parents are outraged after a Utah elementary school showed a video to schoolchildren about pledging to "to be of service to Barack Obama," "to never give anyone the finger when I'm driving again," "to sell my obnoxious car and buy a hybrid" and to advance stem-cell research.
The video, titled "I Pledge" and produced by Demi Moore, features more than 50 Hollywood celebrities who offer their support for President Obama's policies. The film was played for Obama during his inaugural celebration.
But school administrators at Eagle Bay Elementary School in Farmington, Utah, showed the video to young students at an Aug 28 school assembly, sparking outrage from parents and conservative groups who called the film "radical, leftist propaganda," the Salt Lake Tribune reports.
The video can be seen below:
I Pledge" opens with a popular depiction of Obama. The president states, "Let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other."
The following are some of the more controversial pledges:
I pledge allegiance to the funk of the united funk of funkadelica.
I pledge to never give anyone the finger when I'm driving again
I pledge to advance stem-cell research
To reduce my use of plastic … use less bottled water … plant 500 trees this year … to be more green … to no longer use plastic bags at the grocery store
For the environment, I plan to flush only after deuce, never a single
I pledge to sell my obnoxious car and buy a hybrid
I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama
The video asks viewers to visit Serve.gov and sign up for a community service project.
Jennifer Cieslewicz has a daughter who is in first-grade at Eagle Bay Elementary.
"Showing the video in a public school is completely inappropriate," Cieslewicz told the Salt Lake Tribune. "I don't believe a video such as this that promotes certain values should be shown to elementary students, especially without parents being aware. "
Following negative reactions from parents, school principal Ofelia Wade has apologized for showing the video.
Chris Williams, Davis School District spokesman, told the Tribune that Wade and school PTA leaders chose to play the video during its assembly about the school theme this year – service. He said Wade hadn't viewed the film before it was played for the children.
"It got to a point where she turned to her assistant and said, 'Oops, I wish I would have seen this before. I don't think I would have shown it,' " Williams said. "She acknowledges she was wrong and apologizes for it and says she's sorry."
According to the report, the principal plans to send letters to parents about the film on Wednesday.
Gayle Ruzicka, president of Utah Eagle Forum, told the newspaper the video was blatantly political.
"It's very inappropriate to show a radical, leftist propaganda piece that political to children," Ruzicka said. "If parents want their children to learn about those things and do them in the home, wonderful, fine, but it's not the place of the school to show a one-sided propaganda piece to children without parents knowing about it."
Ruzicka said she is concerned that the film's pledges may confuse elementary-school children whose parents use plastic bags at grocery stores or who want their children to flush the toilet every time they use the restroom.
She said she also objects to the pledge "to be of service to Barack Obama" because he has been elected to serve Americans, not so they will serve him.
News of the public school's decision to show the video comes after WND reported that President Obama plans to give a national address to the nation's school children on Sept. 8. School officials have been asked to take a break from normal educational activities to allow students to view a speech from the president and participate in recommended brainstorming exercises following the broadcast.
According to a letter from U.S. Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, "The president will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning. …
"He will also call for a shared responsibility and commitment on the part of students, parents and educators to ensure that every child in every school receives the best education possible so they can compete in the global economy for good jobs and live rewarding and productive lives as American citizens."
The speech is scheduled to broadcast live at 12 p.m. EST on C-SPAN and at whitehouse.gov.
Worksheets provided by the U.S. Department of Education encourage teachers to ask pre-K through 6th-grade students the following questions:
What is the president trying to tell me to do?
What is the president asking me to do?
What new ideas and actions is the president challenging me to think about?
Students may be asked to write down "key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful, make posters of their goals, create a "supportive community" by sharing those goals with one another.
Junior-high and high-school students may be asked to brainstorm answers to the following questions before the speech:
Why does President Obama want to speak with us today?
How will he inspire us?
How will he challenge us?
What might he say?
They are encouraged to take notes while President Obama speaks about personal responsibility, goals or persistence. As part of a "guided discussion," they may talk about what President Obama has inspired or challenged them to do.
Neal McCluskey, associate director of the Center for Educational Freedom, objected to the Obama administration message to schoolchildren in a Cato Institute article titled, "Hey Obama, leave those kids alone."
"It's one thing for a president to encourage all kids to work hard and stay in school – that's a reasonable use of the bully pulpit," McCluskey wrote. "It's another thing entirely, however, to have the U.S. Department of Education send detailed instructions to public schools nationwide on how to glorify the president and the presidency, and push them to drive social change. Frighteningly, this is what President Obama has done."
McCluskey objected to Department of Education-suggested classroom activities for pre-K-6 students encouraging children to make posters setting out "community and country" goals.
"Perhaps even more frightening is the lesson schools are pushed to teach that it is important to listen to 'the president and other elected officials,'" he wrote. "Possibly most distressing of all, though, is guidance that appears explicitly designed to glorify both the presidency and President Obama himself …"
He said the White House is trying to use its power over education to "indoctrinate children, something completely antithetical to a free society."
Jim Greer, chairman of the Florida Republican Party, said in a statement that he believes Obama's speech may be a platform "to spread" his "socialist ideology."
"As the father of four children, I am absolutely appalled that taxpayer dollars are being used to spread President Obama's socialist ideology. The idea that school children across our nation will be forced to watch the President justify his plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create jobs, and racking up more debt than any other President, is not only infuriating, but goes against beliefs of the majority of Americans, while bypassing American parents through an invasive abuse of power."
He continued, "While I support educating our children to respect both the office of the American President and the value of community service, I do not support using our children as tools to spread liberal propaganda. The address scheduled for September 8, 2009, does not allow for healthy debate on the President's agenda, but rather obligates the youngest children in our public school system to agree with our President's initiatives or be ostracized by their teachers and classmates."
I rarely ever pull that card, but in a thread about taking kids out of school it seemed apropos. The irony was simply too rich.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeBoy
^ Especially when what youre seeing is not a typo. Typo suggests your fingers just got fat, or youre missing a single letter or two.
Spelling speech as "speach" is just terrible spelling. Ive been guilty of it...I used to type "alot".
I think it's appalling that we have a President lecturing children on the importance of education and encouraging them to get involved in their community. If there's one thing our children don't need right now it's a sense of responsibility.
I bet these kids are really gonna hate having to do all of this extra school work because of Obama. They are probably going to be thinking "when is this guy going to leave our school". Writing letters, reading books, and other assignments about Obama seem like a lot of work for these little kids. Those kids are gonna be pissed unless they believe Obama is awesome and cool. That's too much work for little kids in my opinion. I don't think Bush made kids do this when he was president and he was Hitler remember. And isn't this whole thing just a waste of time? Shouldn't Obama focus on important things like the economy and his great health care plan rather than make kids do meaningless extra school work because of him?