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Bobcats are looking for a backup 4, and they get a younger SG for Bell.
Parker/Hill
Manu/Bell
Jefferson/Vet Min.
Duncan/Blair/Hailslip
Diop/Mcdyess/Ian/Theo
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Bobcats are looking for a backup 4, and they get a younger SG for Bell.
Parker/Hill
Manu/Bell
Jefferson/Vet Min.
Duncan/Blair/Hailslip
Diop/Mcdyess/Ian/Theo
Nooooooooooooooooooooo
for diop and bell? Fuck no.
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Originally Posted by Muser
Fuck no to a legit 7 footer that can block shots and bang against Bynum down low? And against a SG that can play some D and trouble Kobe and plays rather well against him? Damn, I'd be up for this in a nanosecond.
Imagine running with:
Manu
Bell
Jefferson
Blair
Duncan
Raja Bell? Hell ya I'd take him.
I wouldn't want to give up much though.
Hmm I just saw the players involved...
Na, I wouldn't do it. We have enough bigs. Bell is not worth giving up that much for. Though I do like DIOP and Bell.
FInley/Bonner for Bell is all I'd do.
Diop......PPLLEEAASSEE. I'd rather play Ratliff 20+MPG than give play Diop 5+ MPG.
If you want to tade Mason (which I don't understand why) find me something better then this.
I wouldn't even trade Mason for Bell straight up let alone adding Fin, Bonner, and Marcus Williams just for Diop.
No way.
Raja Bell is really overrated here..
His defense is impregnable though.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
If Finley/Bonner gets Bell then I'd do that deal. But Diop sucks and he's got a bloated contract.
I would do it if Mason wasn't involved.
Raja Bell for Bonner id do, Bonner can play the 4.
No way. Not taking the contract of Diop. It sucks.
nope
You guys are still stuck in 2006 with both of these guys. Diop is making MLE. That's fucking crazy.
If you could do those players for Diaw, I'd do it. Too bad the Bobcats wouldn't.
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Originally Posted by DeJuanitoBlair
No, thats all our shooters for 2 overrated players. Terrible trade
As much I dislike Finley's minutes last season, the Spurs need him to space the floor for everyone when he is on the court.
QFT. I'm tired of the sheer faggotry here lately. You have no amendment rights on THE INTERNET.Quote:
Originally Posted by CubanMustGo
And this isn't Raja Bell from 5 years ago you tards. The dude is old and washed up. Fuck no, I wouldn't even trade Finley for him straight up.
Do you know anything about basketball? That lineup would get owned.Quote:
Originally Posted by mfanatic
this stupid shit again
what did juan get pinked for anyway? I wasn't paying attention I guess...
Probably because he fails and he's a chode.
yeah I know... :lol I was wondering what specifically he did.
Posting crappy videos and other things like sucking off S-Jax's cock every now and then gets you pinked easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender
I hate that fucking trade machine
You want to package those players for someone significant, give me Andres Nocioni.
Kings are very happy to send that guy out. Give them a big fuck you and ask for Jason Thompson along with him.Quote:
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Originally Posted by kobyz
The trade may not be that appealing to some, but the fact is that we need a Perimeter Defender and A 7footer who can block shots. Without at least one of those 2 things ( especially a center ) I dont see the spurs beating the Lakers/Celtics/Cavs. Once again, the spurs FO went for Offense. Its like everytime we get beat by the Mavs POP and the FO start knee-jerking. After the 2006 loss to the Mavs we stopped doing the 2 7footer combo. After the 2009 loss we get RJ for more Perimeter scoring and Mcdyess a 6-9 PF who will be playing C, although Tim will be blocking all the shots and Playing C although he doesn't like to. I cant stand the Mavs, cause everytime we lose to them the Signature of the spurs gets lost in with the other teams. Now we are more offensive minded and haven't answered Jack on the Defensive end ( Except for - RJ is gonna be a perimeter Defender now and Mcdyess will provide a presence in the paint alongside TIM. ) Offensively we really cant be stopped. Defensively were just full of ???? that are heading in the wrong direction when you look at the personnel we have.
I'd be interested, I love anyone who close-lines Kobe.
No disrespect to Bell, but I think that the Spurs should stick with what they got. We all do not know how this team will play, so I would be thinking twice before getting rid of Mason who we do not know what will do with a year with the Spurs under his belt.
The Question I have is this, If the Spurs start sucking defensively or not playing real Spurs defense kinda like last year ( Paint open for business ) who would you be willing to trade?
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How would that lineup get owned? Explain to me
Bell 6-5 SG gonna be 33yrs old / 11.9 pts 43%FG- 42%3pt FG 85% FT in 34mins a game.
Diop highest total for rbdns was 5.4 in 2006-07. This past season it was 3.6. For a bigman thats pretty bad although I like his bulk downlow.
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Originally Posted by Trainwreck2100
That trade is definitely not good enough for us to have to deal with 2 more players that don't know our system while losing 3 that fit comfortably in it. Plus, that still leaves 2 holes in the roster. We have enough noobs as it is this season. No thanks.
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Diop sucks, and he has a god awful contract.
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Nocioni's contract stinks and he does not fit in the Kings' plan. No one would take Nocioni by himself without getting a prospect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sdayi135
naaaaaa:toast
Noc would be a good pick up for the Spurs. His contract is "Spur friendly" because it essentially expires with Duncan. His last year is a team option.
Although I am a little worried that he has lost a big step.
Wouldn't happen. Kings elected Nocioni being the valuable piece in return for Salmons and Brad Miller, when dozen of teams were calling offering packages for both players.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
On another note Nocioni's contract is no where near a burden for the Kings as his salary decreases every year from a modest 7.5 million in 09/2010.
Not so sure. The Kings are not going to win anything, they have young talent they need to develop in Noc's position (Greene, Casspi) and other young guys (Jason Thompson, Spencer Hawes, Tyreke Evans).
He is not a part of their future and if they can trade him for expiring contracts to open up playing time, they will also save 7M next year and become major players in 2010 FA with only 33M on the books and a bunch of young players.
The only way they would trade him for expiring contracts is if he made about 5-7 million dollars more than he makes. 6.8 million for 2010/2011 is a bargain for the Kings.
Think logically if they were to indeed trade Nocioni it would be for young equal talent and draft picks. Not expirings.
It seems like us Spurs fans tend to always try to justify a team unloading a hot commodity for Bonner/Finley ( expirings).
Yes it worked for R Jefferson but he made about 8 million dollars more than Nocioni and the Bucks were in more of a financial problem than the Kings are.
7.5 million for 09/2010...6.8 million for 2010/2011 6.65 million for 2011/2012....Team option for 2012/2013 is a bargain
He will make the same salary as Beno. If anything they will try to unload Beno if they had problems financially but they are at 52 million for next year.
Nocioni for Finley/ Bonner is ridiculous.
I'm willing to bet they won't sign a better player for 6.8 million a year next year. If anything they will only have the option to overpay David Lee/ Nate Robinson type of players in free agency as the big names will just laugh about the idea of going to Sacramento.Quote:
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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
You are severely overrating Nocioni's value to the Kings imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
1) Are the Kings going to make the playoffs this year?
2) If not, do you develop the wealth of young talent on the team, or play vets and scratch to win 20 games?
3) Are the Kings going to make the playoffs in the near future and will Nocioni play a role in that?
4) When there are marquee FA's is the difference between 40M and 33M a huge difference for a franchise looking to rebuild?
It is not a bargain if he is getting in the way of developing young players during rebuilding and if you cannot realize the benefits by making the playoffs.
Money talks and so does young talent. They might not sign a better player for 6.8M, but they could certainly use that money to sign someone younger and better for the future to help build around.
Why would a young player, looking for a big payday, laugh at going to Sacramento with other young talent? They could very well go the route of the Pistons and sign a few young and talented players for that money.
If you are asking me if I would rather have Charlie Villanueva or 6.8M or Nocioni it is a no brainer.
No you are underrating the value of Nocioni's talent compared to his salary.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Because of that if you believe the best offer the Kings would get for Nocioni is expirings you are as biased as they come.
He does not make enough money for the Kings to basically consider a salary dump when he was their best player last year. If they were to put him on the market they would recieve a lot better offers than " expirings".
The only way I can see them unloading him for expirings is if Tyreke Evans shows hes worth a shit. (UNLIKE your great prospect Donte Green).
And Beno would be included for that massive salary dump of 13-14 million.
1. Irrelevent with what I'm saying about Nocioni's value. ( Production compared to his contract = bargain for the Kings) which would be a bargain for other teams as well, which means it would take more than simply expirings for a straight up trade for Nocioni to work. If kings think logically that is.
2. There's a reason why Donte Green dropped so low in the 2008 draft and it was evident last year. The best young talent they have that has starter potential is Spencer Hawes first and foremost then Jason Thompson. Nocioni doesn't stunt their development since he plays small forward. Green is still years away. Casspi didn't show great signs in SL. At best he may be worthy of getting trash minutes.
3. No and again that's irrelevent with what I'm saying about Nocioni's value.
4. Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Joe Johnson, Amare ect. won't go to Sacramento even if they had 50 million to spend. You can book that. If kings are going all in for next summer they will more than likely give David Lee 70 million. Then turn around and give Nate Robinson another 50 million. Which won't change their lottery situation.
I think raja is overrated as well. but i would trade finley for him. Finley+ bonner and/or mason i would not.
Please explain. It would be different if I did not present a case and just made something up. Funny someone who seems to love Argies is calling me biased.Quote:
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Where is this rule written at? Bonner only makes 3M and he is one of the best 3 point shooters in the league, yet it is widely believed that the Spurs will try and salary dump him. Is he not a bargain?Quote:
He does not make enough money for the Kings to basically consider a salary dump when he was their best player last year.
Also, you call me biased and yet you say that Nocioni was there best player last year? He played only 29 games for them. Kevin Martin clearly was better, Spencer Hawes was better, Salmons was better during his stint and Francisco Garcia was arguably better. Please.
Where did I say Greene was a a great prospect? I said he was young talent that they value more than Nocioni.Quote:
If they were to put him on the market they would recieve a lot better offers than " expirings". The only way I can see them unloading him for expirings is if Tyreke Evans shows like hes worth a shit. (UNLIKE your great prospect Donte Green). And Beno would be included for that massive salary dump of 13-14 million.
Not irrelevant. You just do not like the reasoning. See the Bonner comparison for value vs salary dump.Quote:
1. Irrelevent with what I'm saying about Nocioni's value. ( Production compared to his contract = bargain for the Kings) which would be a bargain for other teams as well, which means it would take more than simply expirings for a straight up trade for Nocioni to work. If kings think logically that is.
So Blair, Arenas, Ginobili must all suck because they dropped so low in the draft. Once again, I never said that Greene was their best young talent, you just made that up. FACT is that even with the great Nocioni, the Kings won a mighty 17 games last year and finished last in the West. It makes no sense to hold on to someone, at any value, at his age with the length of his contract if you have young players you need to see and when you have no chance at winning.Quote:
2. There's a reason why Donte Green dropped so low in the 2008 draft and it was evident last year. The best young talent they have that has starter potential is Spencer Hawes first and foremost then Jason Thompson. Nocioni doesn't stunt their development. Green is still years away. Casspi didn't show great signs in SL. At best he may be worthy of getting trash minutes.
But it is relevant with regards to reality.Quote:
3. No and again that's irrelevent with what I'm saying about Nocioni's value.
That makes no sense and that is not what I said. They might be able to land a big time player and do you know Lebron, Wade and Bosh? Sometimes players take money. But they could do what the Pistons did and get a few young players with their money and build for the future.Quote:
4. Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Joe Johnson, Amare ect. won't go to Sacramento even if they had 50 million to spend. You can book that. If kings are going all in for next summer they will more than likely give David Lee 70 million. Which won't change their lottery situation.
I am sure the fans want to build for the future. Get young talent, make some exciting signings and work towards something. Don't hang onto the best value in the world evidently when it wins you 17 games.
It is the same reason the Kings traded Ron Artest. Artest is a much better player than Nocioni and they traded him because they were going no where with him. They needed to build for the future. Artest was making almost exactly what Nocioni makes and produces much, much more.
If Greene sucks so bad like you seem to be implying, all the Kings got for Artest was Greene and Bobby Jackson + 1st rounder. That is not exactly a lot of talent and Artest >>>>>>>>Nocioni. Yet you expect Nocioni to command more than that?
Also, I have never seen anything that the Kings were demanding Nocioni in the Bulls trade. It was a salary dump and the Bulls wanted to get rid of Nocioni.
However, I digress. It is all speculation and just opinion. I think Nocioni would fit well.
lolol...so I love Argies because I think Nocioni's contract is a good valued contract for the Kings? wow your an idiotQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
lolol Bonner is in his contract year. He will be off the books next year therefore your explanation on Spurs trying to salary dump him makes absolutely no sense.Quote:
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Kevin Martin was hurt. I meant at the end of the year after Salmons was there and when Kevin Martin was hurt. Nocioni was there best all around player.Quote:
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So they value a player who warmed the bench, more than a player they traded John Salmons and Brad Miller for????? after dozens of teams were calling sending multiple proposals for both players?? WOWQuote:
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lol wow AgainQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I never said Nocioni was King Nocioni nor do I have a Witness this Nocioni T-shirt. I simply stated 6.8 million for a player of Nocioni's caliber is a bargain for whichever team takes on his salary. A simple salary dump for the kings because 6.8 million makes no sense for a player of Nocioni's caliber. If anything it's Beno's contract that they will try to get expirings for.Quote:
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But it is relevant with regards to reality.
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Originally Posted by DPG21920
If you think giving Ben Gordon and Charlie V 90 million dollars will make the Pistons championship contenders your on crack.
Smart Gm's don't overpay for non-all-stars. Maybe we think differently. But here's to hoping GM Geoff Petrie goes with your way of thinking and trades Nocioni for Bonner and Finley only to free up 7 more million dollars to give David Lee 70 million over 5 years, Nate Robinson 50 million over 5 years and Travis Outlaw 40 million over 5 years. Yeah thats the way to build a contender. Right on!
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Artest implied that he would not resign in Sacramento after 09'. Since he would be a free agent, they wanted to get something back in return before he would leave to another team during free agency. Kings didn't want to be stuck with nothing to show for Artest. Totally different scenario.
The Spurs will try and dump Bonner to save money THIS YEAR. Luxury tax.
Yes, I am saying they value a guy they traded Artest for more than Nocioni.
Once again, you make things up. Where did I say the Pistons will win a title? I said I would rather have Charlie V and Ben Gordon than Nocioni. So just because the Kings have money they will give 70M to Lee and I am the idiot? Teams had money this year and they did not do that, why would the Kings?
What did they get? They got nothing but a salary dump according to you. There are plenty of other options as well, such as a sign and trade to get value for a player.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
That makes absolutely no sense. Spurs are past the Luxury tax even if they did trade Bonner to a team for a 2nd rounder as you are implying. If anything Bonner will be packaged with Mason or Finley at the deadline to fill in a need at the time. Salary dump? wow I don't even know why I decided to debate with you.Quote:
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I'm making fun of you for stating Kings should sign young players to long term deals like the Pistons as you stated above. Something I don't agree with.
I'm only being realistic, the only players Kings will be in the market for are players like Outlaw, Lee, Robinson.
Wade, bosh, Bron, Amare aren't going to a lottery team. You can book that.
Don't worry you are not debating, you are just making random shit up. Yes, the Spurs will be past the luxury tax, but it will soften the blow. I never said that would move them below the tax, but you seem to argue from a point of ignorance which is why you cannot grasp this.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
I said it is believed the Spurs will try and move these guys at the deadline in a salary dump to soften the luxury tax blow. If they can get a player instead, they might do that.
Not sure, I don't have a crystal ball like you.
Why would they not sign young and talented players to reasonable contracts if they have cap space and other young players to build around?Quote:
I'm making fun of you for stating Kings should sign young players to long term deals like the Pistons as you stated above. Something I don't agree with.
I'm only being realistic, the only players Kings will be in the market for are players like Outlaw, Lee, Robinson.
Wade, bosh, Bron, Amare aren't going to a lottery team. You can book that.
You seem to know how the market will shape up, because your logic is flawless.
Lee is the only guy the Kings could get, so they will give him 70M dollars. Makes perfect sense, because Lee turned down at least 2 of those offers this season.
Artests value was higher than Nocioni's BEFORE Artest told the media he wasn't going to return to sacramento.
If you know anything about the way the business side of things work you would know after Artests statement his value went down because then teams know the Kings need to get rid of him. Therefore teams offer less and less because they know they have to get rid of him since he is leaving anyway. That is apparent with the best offer they recieved for Artest which was Bobby Jackson plus a first rounder.
So Artest's value plummeted to the point where no team wanted him and all Sacto got was a salary dump? Yes, him saying he wanted to be traded made him less attractive than Nocioni. (sarcasm)
Does it help when players talk? No. But when excellent players are on the market, there will be suitors.
Plenty of teams were offering talent, but the Kings were interested in salary cap relief and "young talent". They loved Greene.
Have you ever heard of a sign and trade? Kings could have accepted a package with more "talent" now, but they did not. They could have done a S&T but they did not.
I'm pretty sure it's apparent Holt and co. are going all in this year and next. Anyone on here will disagree with what you just said. Really a salary dump halfway during the season. WOWQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
No i meant players of Lee's caliber. NBA starters but not all-stars. Outlaw Robinson/ Lee come to mind first. And yes desperate teams will overpay for players of their caliber next year once Bron, Wade, Bosh, Amare, Joe Johnson are off the market.Quote:
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You obviously don't know how the business side of things work in the NBA.Quote:
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Nocioni is a good player and his contract is reasonable, but he does not make sense for the Kings.
So what if he is good "value" in general? What does he do for the Kings and would they be better served keeping him and not seeing what they have in their current young players, or playing the young guys and give themselves the best shot at improving their team this next summer?
Will they try and get the best deal? Yes, but other teams know he does not fit and if they got a package of expiring contracts + draft pick it should be enough. Teams will not give up a ton of talent for him, because it defeats the purpose of getting him to help a contender. They will say to the Kings "fine, you keep his great value and win 17 games and miss out on developing your young players and in FA".
He is a decent value, not great by the way. He has career averages of 12 PTS, 5 REB, 1.3 AST and 1.65 TO's. For 7M, that is not great.
You can keep quoting yourself and saying random throw away lines such as "I cannot believe I am debating you" or "You obviously do not know the business side" but it does not make you right.
Plenty of teams try and lower their salary burden during the year, especially teams that don't normally pay LT. If the Spurs are doing well and they are happy with their team, most people on ST know that dumping Bonner makes sense to save some money. If they can use him to improve where they see fit, then the will. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
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Why would the Kings be desperate? Were teams desperate when Ariza/Artest/Hedo were snatched up? I did not see Lee getting a contract like you are talking about.
Well the thing is, I have proof. You just make shit up like "Nocioni was their best player" and "the Kings made Nocioni the center of the trade"...Quote:
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Neither of which are true. Fact is, the Kings had offers with "more talent" than the Rockets offer, but they wanted salary relief and Greene.
If they could have gotten a really good player, they might have considered it, but the did not get enough talent in an offer in order to make them value it over cap-space.
Same would be for Noc.
So if someone comes in and agrees are you wrong? Nope, you will just keep going and going.Quote:
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I just don't agree with anything you say and I will not devote the next hour debating with a clueless (Bonner/ Finley) for Nocioni proposal.
Funny thing is, I never said Bonner+Finley for Nocioni :lol
You need to read this thread:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124870
Also, Nocioni did say he wanted to be traded (more or less):
http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1730022.html
On the night the worst Kings team in history was at its very worst, it had been a month and a day since Andres Nocioni was pulled into the wreckage.
A 119-97 loss on March 17 in Atlanta was a collage of basketball ugliness, a mixture of selfish play, lackluster effort and fleeting confidence early that led to late chaos. And as the small forward who was traded from Chicago on Feb. 18 put on his clothes inside the visitors' locker room at Philips Arena, he turned toward teammate Beno Udrih with a look of helplessness on his face and asked the most simple of questions.
"So is this how it was before I got here?"
Nocioni's concerns about the Kings didn't stop there. And judging from an interview published Tuesday in an Argentine publication, he is as worried about the team's future as he was about its past.
While speaking to a reporter from Olé, Nocioni raised questions about the direction of the organization and left open the possibility that he would like to be traded this summer if the situation did not improve.
Speaking with The Bee a day later, Nocioni – who is well aware that the team's standing in Sacramento is tenuous in light of lagging attendance and looming arena issues – said the tone of his sentiments was lost in translation and voiced concerns about how the comments could affect fans' perception of him.
"The concern about this is about what the people who are going to support an arena and support the team think about me," Nocioni said in a phone interview Wednesday night. "This is my concern. (That) and my teammates. That's it.
"I don't want the people of Sacramento to think I'm the kind of guy who likes to complain, that I don't want to compete, or that I'm here to be here for (two) months and then want (to be traded). If this (team) is going to be competitive in the next couple (of) years … I want to be here."
In truth, Nocioni was merely raising the same questions that have been asked by the team's frustrated fans all season. He questioned the future of the franchise and the motivation of recent moves, saying to Olé, "The issue is that here (the Kings) are more concerned about not losing that much money. … It is one of the franchises that has lost more money and (is) looking to move to (other) cities."
He voiced doubts that the rebuilding will lead to success soon, saying: "There is no chemistry or team play (on the Kings). I do not see that in the near future this group may be competitive in the West (Conference). It will take several years. … Nor (is the draft) going to save anyone. I do not know. I will see what happens this summer."
The irony of the situation, of course, is that the Kings see Nocioni as a significant piece in their rebuilding efforts. Whereas seven players acquired in the flurry of February trades came with expiring contracts, he is signed through 2012. His toughness and fiery style have been welcome on a team that lacks both, and his presence has been missed as he has sat out the last three games with right quad tendinitis.
Nocioni, who is owed $21 million over the next three seasons, said he simply hopes the Kings are committed to improving sooner rather than later.
"If (the) Sacramento team does not think about rebuilding or doing something better or try to compete for next year, to put pieces together and start bringing new guys (in), I said (to Olé) of course I (would) want the option to go to another team, a more competitive team," he told The Bee. "But if Sacramento is thinking about rebuilding, thinking about next year, about new guys, trying to think about the draft, I want to be part of the team."
Kings coach Kenny Natt said Nocioni's comments were old news before he was even asked about them after Wednesday's practice.
"(Nocioni) is a very good piece to where we're going with the team," Natt said. "He has a right to voice an opinion as to what he sees. Not that everyone agrees with it, but no one agrees with everything that I've said. … That was that, and we move on."
Kings guard Bobby Jackson said he prefers that players voice their frustrations in-house instead of publicly."Everybody knows our ups and our downs, so why go out and talk about it and say, 'That's how I feel?' "
I think your confused.
I would love the addition of Nocioni.
Hell I would even trade Mason/ Bonner for Nocioni. And start Nocioni and Jefferson and the 3 and 2.
I just think a Finley/ Bonner/ Williams scenario wouldn't reel in Nocioni..I think we would have to offer up Splitter or Mahimni or Hill with that package to get it done.
Well I posted that article bc you said Artest was worth more than Nocioni until he said he wants to be traded. At that point all they got was expiring contracts + 1st round pick.
Now, Nocioni has said this, so they can expect the same, no?
I know what you were saying and that was the entire argument. Would the Kings trade him for expiring contracts. I say yes, you say no.
The Artest situation was totally different though. When a player states he will not resign with a team after the year is over, that team will try to get rid of him for something to show for. At that same time other teams won't offer as much in the proposals for the reason that the Kings were desperate now to get something back for Artests since he was leaving after the year anyway.
Teams then don't offer as much knowing the Kings are desperate to get rid of him. Kind of like the Vince Carter situation in Toronto where he demanded a trade and quit on his team and all the raptors got in return was basically Alonzo Mourning.
It's the way the business side of the NBA works.
Nocioni has yet to demand any type of trade so what you are saying about comparing the two doesn't quit live up to the bill.
Even if Nocioni did demand a trade he has more years on his contract therefore his trade value is higher than Artests was. Not to mention that his salary was frontloaded which only increases his trade value.
Teams knew Artest would be an unrestricted Free Agent after a one year rental after the deal and that was one reason why the best offer they got was Bobby Jackson's expiring plus a late first round pick. The other reason was of course because of his trade demands through the media which other team's used as leverage to get his services for less.