So if someone comes in and agrees are you wrong? Nope, you will just keep going and going.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
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So if someone comes in and agrees are you wrong? Nope, you will just keep going and going.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres
I just don't agree with anything you say and I will not devote the next hour debating with a clueless (Bonner/ Finley) for Nocioni proposal.
Funny thing is, I never said Bonner+Finley for Nocioni :lol
You need to read this thread:
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124870
Also, Nocioni did say he wanted to be traded (more or less):
http://www.sacbee.com/kings/story/1730022.html
On the night the worst Kings team in history was at its very worst, it had been a month and a day since Andres Nocioni was pulled into the wreckage.
A 119-97 loss on March 17 in Atlanta was a collage of basketball ugliness, a mixture of selfish play, lackluster effort and fleeting confidence early that led to late chaos. And as the small forward who was traded from Chicago on Feb. 18 put on his clothes inside the visitors' locker room at Philips Arena, he turned toward teammate Beno Udrih with a look of helplessness on his face and asked the most simple of questions.
"So is this how it was before I got here?"
Nocioni's concerns about the Kings didn't stop there. And judging from an interview published Tuesday in an Argentine publication, he is as worried about the team's future as he was about its past.
While speaking to a reporter from Olé, Nocioni raised questions about the direction of the organization and left open the possibility that he would like to be traded this summer if the situation did not improve.
Speaking with The Bee a day later, Nocioni – who is well aware that the team's standing in Sacramento is tenuous in light of lagging attendance and looming arena issues – said the tone of his sentiments was lost in translation and voiced concerns about how the comments could affect fans' perception of him.
"The concern about this is about what the people who are going to support an arena and support the team think about me," Nocioni said in a phone interview Wednesday night. "This is my concern. (That) and my teammates. That's it.
"I don't want the people of Sacramento to think I'm the kind of guy who likes to complain, that I don't want to compete, or that I'm here to be here for (two) months and then want (to be traded). If this (team) is going to be competitive in the next couple (of) years … I want to be here."
In truth, Nocioni was merely raising the same questions that have been asked by the team's frustrated fans all season. He questioned the future of the franchise and the motivation of recent moves, saying to Olé, "The issue is that here (the Kings) are more concerned about not losing that much money. … It is one of the franchises that has lost more money and (is) looking to move to (other) cities."
He voiced doubts that the rebuilding will lead to success soon, saying: "There is no chemistry or team play (on the Kings). I do not see that in the near future this group may be competitive in the West (Conference). It will take several years. … Nor (is the draft) going to save anyone. I do not know. I will see what happens this summer."
The irony of the situation, of course, is that the Kings see Nocioni as a significant piece in their rebuilding efforts. Whereas seven players acquired in the flurry of February trades came with expiring contracts, he is signed through 2012. His toughness and fiery style have been welcome on a team that lacks both, and his presence has been missed as he has sat out the last three games with right quad tendinitis.
Nocioni, who is owed $21 million over the next three seasons, said he simply hopes the Kings are committed to improving sooner rather than later.
"If (the) Sacramento team does not think about rebuilding or doing something better or try to compete for next year, to put pieces together and start bringing new guys (in), I said (to Olé) of course I (would) want the option to go to another team, a more competitive team," he told The Bee. "But if Sacramento is thinking about rebuilding, thinking about next year, about new guys, trying to think about the draft, I want to be part of the team."
Kings coach Kenny Natt said Nocioni's comments were old news before he was even asked about them after Wednesday's practice.
"(Nocioni) is a very good piece to where we're going with the team," Natt said. "He has a right to voice an opinion as to what he sees. Not that everyone agrees with it, but no one agrees with everything that I've said. … That was that, and we move on."
Kings guard Bobby Jackson said he prefers that players voice their frustrations in-house instead of publicly."Everybody knows our ups and our downs, so why go out and talk about it and say, 'That's how I feel?' "
I think your confused.
I would love the addition of Nocioni.
Hell I would even trade Mason/ Bonner for Nocioni. And start Nocioni and Jefferson and the 3 and 2.
I just think a Finley/ Bonner/ Williams scenario wouldn't reel in Nocioni..I think we would have to offer up Splitter or Mahimni or Hill with that package to get it done.
Well I posted that article bc you said Artest was worth more than Nocioni until he said he wants to be traded. At that point all they got was expiring contracts + 1st round pick.
Now, Nocioni has said this, so they can expect the same, no?
I know what you were saying and that was the entire argument. Would the Kings trade him for expiring contracts. I say yes, you say no.
The Artest situation was totally different though. When a player states he will not resign with a team after the year is over, that team will try to get rid of him for something to show for. At that same time other teams won't offer as much in the proposals for the reason that the Kings were desperate now to get something back for Artests since he was leaving after the year anyway.
Teams then don't offer as much knowing the Kings are desperate to get rid of him. Kind of like the Vince Carter situation in Toronto where he demanded a trade and quit on his team and all the raptors got in return was basically Alonzo Mourning.
It's the way the business side of the NBA works.
Nocioni has yet to demand any type of trade so what you are saying about comparing the two doesn't quit live up to the bill.
Even if Nocioni did demand a trade he has more years on his contract therefore his trade value is higher than Artests was. Not to mention that his salary was frontloaded which only increases his trade value.
Teams knew Artest would be an unrestricted Free Agent after a one year rental after the deal and that was one reason why the best offer they got was Bobby Jackson's expiring plus a late first round pick. The other reason was of course because of his trade demands through the media which other team's used as leverage to get his services for less.