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Unbelievable.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Mason and Bonner won't cut it, but Haislip will?
Haislip at SF? He is a PF who was a poor defender against slower players in Europe and you assume he can guard NBA SFs?
As a Spurs fan, I truly hope Haislip turns into some crazy hybrid clone of Bowen and Horry, but everything in his history suggests he is more likely to wind up playing the role once played by Sean Marks; practice big.
I can't see why Haislip is so underrated in your book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
You got to trust the front office.
Finally, the only way the Spurs can win the title is to have some oversized defenders.
This thread fails..
It makes no sense whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by ceperez
I don't underrate him at all. I just don't vastly overrate him like you do. He is completely unproven at the NBA level. Criticize Mason and Bonner all you like, but they have demonstrated the ability to shoot 3's at the NBA level and they have experience in the Spurs system. Haislip has yet to prove that he has NBA level skills.
Trust the FO, indeed. You're the one saying Mason and Bonner won't cut it. Mason received a 2 yr/7.5M guaranteed contract from the FO last summer. Haislip received a 2yr minimum contract with only one year guaranteed. Trust the FO, indeed.
And thanks for that new bit of basketball insight that oversized defenders are the key to winning a title. Again, Haislip has a history of poor defense. I hope he dedicates himself to become an NBA level defender. But when you project him as the backup SF, that is pure wishful thinking.
It is one thing to project that a 20yr old Blair will go from being an exceptional college rebounder to becoming an above average NBA rebounder. He excelled at the lower level and is so young that it is reasonable to project improvement with better coaching and teammates.
It is quite another thing to project that a 28yr Haislip who had trouble guarding slower PFs in Europe will suddenly be able to effectively guard smaller, quicker NBA SFs.
Good luck to Haislip and may he beat the odds. I just can't project him ahead of proven NBA players until I see him actually demonstrate that he has NBA level skills.
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Originally Posted by Mel_13
Nicely Said.
the spurs don't have any weakness yet, they haven't play a single game.
Troy Murphy ain't happening...thank god
wow. brilliant conclusion. you mean oversized like Bruce 200 lbs Bowen?Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
and if an upgrade of the defensive department is in fact a key (I agree that a defensive specialist wouldn't hurt), why do you propose to trade for a player like Murphy? that's called a paradox.
I can't help but notice you've put Haislip as the back-up SF, yet you identify George Hill, being the back-up PG, as a position that needs strengthening. That surely doesn't make sense, does it?
As for your potential replacements ( contracts ) there's no need to comment.
You guys have enough talent as is to be a top 3 team in the west and a top 5 fave to win the tiltle ...eASILY.The only thing that could change that if Manu is not himself. IF so then yes get another wing if he is at least80-90% of his best, you have enough to win a tilte especially if hill develops ...like i think he will. I like him (a lot) he would be a perfect triangle gaurd if he improves his 3pt shot ...
Hard to make a judgement on that since Pop had Mason playing out of position during the playoffs.Quote:
Mason - Despite having a very quick release and accurate shot, he doesn't play big enough and simply doesn't have enough talent to take it to the next level in playoff basketball. Nothing he does in the regular season can indicate that he can deliver in the playoffs.
Hit the nail on the head, he's too small against Kobe Bryant at the SG position.Quote:
Originally Posted by callo1
He has to play PG or not play at all! This is a problem because Mason is not quick enough to cover good PGs. I would rather have Hill on the defensive end.
So the reason is simple, if you can't play in the playoffs, you might as well be traded.... just ask Rasho, Nazr and all the other guys who didn't show up come playoff time.
Just because a player signed a bigger contract, doesn't mean we should keep them. Case example: Jackie Butler. Elson got the smaller contract, but started. See the Spurs office sign players based on PERCEIVED value and potential and then cut them if they can't deliver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel_13
Haislip has perceived value on par with our other signings, that is Blair, Mahinmi etc.
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Originally Posted by Mel_13
Yes wishful thinking, even desperate thinking. But if you don't have a player like him (i.e. athletic and long SF), we aren't going far in the playoffs.
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Originally Posted by ceperez
FWIW Elson was paid more than Butler. Elson was a proven NBA player brought in to be part of the rotation. Butler was a 21yr old project that failed. If Mason is kept it won't be because of his contract it will be because he is a shooting guard who has demonstrated the ability to shoot in the NBA.
Haislip is long and athletic 28yr old PF. Haislip is not a SF.
The Spurs may go to a primarily three guard rotation against the Lakers. Mason will likely start, and even if, as expected, he struggles guarding Bryant or Artest in the post, he can still see significant minutes, so long as he's out there alongside Ginobili, while Fisher is in. Then, he can check the slow footed Fisher, and Ginobili can check either Bryant or Artest. You may see the Spurs do this in order to keep as much firepower on the floor as possible at all times against the Lakers. The way I see it, Hill's best chance of getting minutes against the Lakers is if the Spurs don't have anyone who can do an adequate job on Bryant, or just have, say, Jefferson who can, and need someone else to check him for stretches.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
I wouldn't be so quick to write Mason off as a guy who can't perform in the playoffs. He had never played that many minutes or had that much responsibility thrust upon him for a team that has the expectation level that this one has. Maybe he wore down, maybe it was just a bad stretch at an inopportune time, maybe he was asked to do too much, who knows? But he's talented enough, and showed enough chutzpah in the regular season that I'm not ready to give up on him because of a small sample size of games.
You wouldn't have RJ out there? RJ is a much better offensive player and defensive player than Mason.
Who, me? If so, I was not suggesting that. Obviously, Jefferson will start, finish, and play significant minutes at SF, particularly against the Lakers. I meant strictly in the back court, I could see the Spurs going to primarily a three-guard rotation against the Laker, and explained how, and why they could or would want to do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
the same front office that picked mason and finley as key role players on this team and sprinkle a little bonner on this team as well....it is a two way street. I agree, we should trust the front office...Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Folks!
Looks like with the signing of Keith Bogans that at least one of these 3 players (Bonner, Finley, Mason) will be packing his bags!
I'm not too thrilled with the Bogans signing but with his guaranteed contract we certainly will need to unload players!
My best guess is that Bonner and Mason are history simply because they didn't show up in the playoffs. The same way Rasho and Nazr were let go.
Finley actually did well last year.... he's also not as much a defensive liability as Bonner and Mason. So it's likely he stays.
The Spurs are ONLY interested in players who show up in the playoffs. Anyone who can't hack it gets traded.
We don't even know if Bogans will fit in. It's the hope he can be that Bowen/Udoka/Pietrus/Bell kind of mold but no way the Spurs package Finley or Mason off before knowing what Bogans can do.
Come trade deadline the Spurs will know what to do. I think this is more about Hairston and Williams for now.
This is the most over-used and inaccurate perception regarding chatboard general managing that their is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Finley sucks. He's only still here because HE exercised his option. He's the worst defender SA has had in a decade. Mason is a MUCH better option if they keep him away from the point. He was kicking ass until Pop dropped that turd in the punch bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
Well, I wouldn't go that far..........Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/1308
manu's contract is expiring also
10.5
ofcourse with manu you have to get someone good back to trade him