Three Spurs with Expiring Contracts worth Trading

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Originally Posted by ceperez

Folks!

Looks like with the signing of Keith Bogans that at least one of these 3 players (Bonner, Finley, Mason) will be packing his bags!

I'm not too thrilled with the Bogans signing but with his guaranteed contract we certainly will need to unload players!

My best guess is that Bonner and Mason are history simply because they didn't show up in the playoffs. The same way Rasho and Nazr were let go.

Finley actually did well last year.... he's also not as much a defensive liability as Bonner and Mason. So it's likely he stays.

The Spurs are ONLY interested in players who show up in the playoffs. Anyone who can't hack it gets traded.

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Mason is staying. He is the best shooter we have, and now that he will only be relied upon to do what he does well (ie. bomb it), he will have a great season. I think it's massively premature to say that he can't perform in the playoffs... let's face it, last year there was no SPAM, and pretty much the whole team bar Tony mailed it in for the playoffs because they had no chemistry and knew they were going nowhere. A number of people around here, including myself, tried to warn the fanbase about this a fortnight before the season ended, but we just got shouted down by the hopeful crew.

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Originally Posted by ducks

manu's contract is expiring also
10.5
ofcourse with manu you have to get someone good back to trade him

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:lmao @ducks always trying to trade Manu.

I hope he signs a DRob contract - 2 years, 20mil (or maybe 14-16mil would be fairer), finish your NBA career here.

Everyone fell in love with Mason last year after he hit some last second shots. Can you hang a whole career on those shots?

He's not very agile, can't defend, and can't drive the lane (so no fouls earned).

I don't think he's starter material. Gotta move Manu back in there.

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Originally Posted by wildbill2u

Everyone fell in love with Mason last year after he hit some last second shots. Can you hang a whole career on those shots?

He's not very agile, can't defend, and can't drive the lane (so no fouls earned).

I don't think he's starter material. Gotta move Manu back in there.

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Many people on this board overvalue Mason. Yes he is our best shooter, but what else can he do? How much does his lacking overall game negate his 42 percent mark from downtown? It's not like he's going to see 30 minutes like he did last year either with Manu and RJ taking up 60 minutes at the wing position that were Finley and Mason's.

Having someone in the spot up shooting role for 20-24 minutes a game can be easily replaced on the offensive end. He may not be a 42 percent shooter from downtown, but someone who shoots a high 30 percent would be fine if that player can bring other things to the table like defend, create off the dribble (whenever opponents close hard on our shooters ( without turning it over), has a higher BBIQ, has more length to contest shots, being a better rebounder, is more disruptive and active off the ball offensively and off the ball in passing lanes defensively. All those things I just mentioned Mason is below average at. The only thing he does above average is shoot the ball. He can be replaced.

For the right price I'd ship Mason in a package for a better all around wing like Nocioni/ Stephen Jackson/ Shane Battier.


Give me a player that will defend effectively and shoots 35 percent from 3 and I'll take him over Mason's overvalued 42 percent mark from downtown.

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Originally Posted by wildbill2u

I don't think he's starter material. Gotta move Manu back in there.

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Mason is better off as the starter. It was proven last year. I would keep Mason as the starter and let Manu continue to come off the bench. Manu excels from the bench, and doesn't have to start. He also brings energy and a punch from the bench that, with accompanied with others this off-season, can be a very potent group.

Okay, might as well throw out another thought. Washington is a little thin on the bench, so trade Bonner, Mason and Finley for Miller.

Miller provides size, shooting and ball skillls.
Bonner and Mason will be happy closer to home.
Finley can keep Oberto company.
All contracts expire at the end of the year.
Washington gets a strong bench with championship experience and Foye gets the starting gig.

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Originally Posted by dbestpro

Okay, might as well throw out another thought. Washington is a little thin on the bench, so trade Bonner, Mason and Finley for Miller.

Miller provides size, shooting and ball skillls.
Bonner and Mason will be happy closer to home.
Finley can keep Oberto company.
All contracts expire at the end of the year.
Washington gets a strong bench with championship experience and Foye gets the starting gig.

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I'm guessing that when Washington looks at Mason, Bonner and Finley they don't see a strong bench with championship experience. They see three role players none of whom are nearly as good as the guy they'd be giving up.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

I'm guessing that when Washington looks at Mason, Bonner and Finley they don't see a strong bench with championship experience. They see three role players none of whom are nearly as good as the guy they'd be giving up.

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Usually you do not see a trade of 3 for 1, where 1 of the 3 is as good as the 1. That is why it is 3 for 1.:rolleyes

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Originally Posted by dbestpro

Usually you do not see a trade of 3 for 1, where 1 of the 3 is as good as the 1. That is why it is 3 for 1.:rolleyes

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Got it. Yet you think that having the one guy is better than having the three. I'll bet the Wizards agree with you.

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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle

Mason is staying. He is the best shooter we have, and now that he will only be relied upon to do what he does well (ie. bomb it), he will have a great season. I think it's massively premature to say that he can't perform in the playoffs... let's face it, last year there was no SPAM, and pretty much the whole team bar Tony mailed it in for the playoffs because they had no chemistry and knew they were going nowhere. A number of people around here, including myself, tried to warn the fanbase about this a fortnight before the season ended, but we just got shouted down by the hopeful crew.



:lmao @ducks always trying to trade Manu.

I hope he signs a DRob contract - 2 years, 20mil (or maybe 14-16mil would be fairer), finish your NBA career here.

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manu is not worth 20 million for 2 years
he makes 10.5 million this year
he should sign a mle contract or be shipped
with a mle contract he is a good deal

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Got it. Yet you think that having the one guy is better than having the three. I'll bet the Wizards agree with you.

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We'll throw in ducks for free. That should sweeten the deal. :lol

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Originally Posted by Hooks

We shouldn't trade RMJ, he's too good of a shooter. Remember he's just been with the team for 1 year, not only that but dude is clutch.


He's dangerous wide open, he's also a guy we don't have to worry about getting in trouble on or off the court. This guy even took a pay cut to sign back with the Wizards, he's a loyal player. He doesn't play for the money he plays to win. Keep him.

The only way I'd trade Finley is if we can get a better SF than him, no SG's we've got enough of those.

Bonner-Trade his ass lmao. I'm sure his trade value has gone up significantly last season. Not sure who we'd get for him though.

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I really don't understand the whole trade Mason deal. He is a Spurs a guy and will thrive this year with taking on a lesser role.

No more Nocioni/SJax SF stuff. We are fine in that department. You need at least 1 solid player in every position, and 2-3 good role players after that. PG - Parker
SG- Manu ( coming off bench of course ) SF - Jefferson PF - Duncan C - is where we have the problem. If your one of those people that say Tim Duncan is the Center, then I'll just change it around for you. We Need a PF who is 6-11 or taller that can block shots get rebounds and move his Feet ( for Defensive reasons ). Camby/Kaman is good but will cost us Mason/Finley/Bonner. If your willing to part with mason jr. do this trade immediately. For the rest of you who love Mason Jr. and want to give him a second chance then trade Finley/Bonner to Bobcats for C Diop or to Blazers for C Pryzbilla. In all 3 instances the money situation works out. If you get Camby/Kaman the good thing is that his ( camby's ) contract comes off at the end of the year. If you get Diop or Pryzbilla there contract is cheaper but its for multiple years.

Diop sucks and there's no way Portland is going to trade away their insurance policy against Greg Oden's next injury.

Why? Oh, WHY!!!? Uh, NVM. General Hospital is back on. This Doctor Dude is trying to take Maxie away from Spinelli. G2G!

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Originally Posted by dbestpro

Okay, might as well throw out another thought. Washington is a little thin on the bench, so trade Bonner, Mason and Finley for Miller.

Miller provides size, shooting and ball skillls.
Bonner and Mason will be happy closer to home.
Finley can keep Oberto company.
All contracts expire at the end of the year.
Washington gets a strong bench with championship experience and Foye gets the starting gig.

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huh? Wizards back court is overloaded like a refugee boat, but they think of pulling a trade that brings 2 more average back court players for their most versatile player????
yes, the Wizards would do a 3 for 1 trade. 3 of their surplus back court players for 1 quality big man. not 1 quality wing for 2 medicore wings plus a 3rd stringer big. jesus.

Miller is not their most versatile player. That would be Butler. But I agree on the other points.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Miller is not their most versatile player. That would be Butler. But I agree on the other points.

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hm. I'm pretty sure we could go into an endless discussion what counts more in terms of versatility. Butler's two way game versus Miller's point forward play and shooting. guess it will always be a tie.

mason fills a role and is good to have so long as you keep him in the right role.

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Originally Posted by Spurstrodamus

What we need is Camby or Travis Outlaw.

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It would be nice if we can get a former DPOY like Camby to help take the defensive load off Tim. Imagine Camby and Duncan patrolling the paint on defense, both with reliable mid-range shots on offense.

Don't know if the Clips would do this, but wouldn't it be better to send Finley, Red Rocket and Mahinmi and keep RMJ? He's been fairly solid as a backup point, so he could fill in behind Hill as George develops into a threat, which it looks like he can.

I sure would like to see the Spurs return to the days of holding teams to 40% scoring!

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Originally Posted by K-State Spur

mason fills a role and is good to have so long as you keep him in the right role.

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Pretty much every "trade Mason" poster is basing their opinion on his play after he took over part time PG duties. The Spurs asked him to fill a role that he wasn't hired to do, and for that they paid the price. Mason is a spot up chucker, period. Let him do what he does and he will produce for you.

I don't expect Pop and RC to repeat those mistakes.

I wouldn't say Camby has a reliable mid-range game.

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Originally Posted by Rob in Converse

It would be nice if we can get a former DPOY like Camby to help take the defensive load off Tim. Imagine Camby and Duncan patrolling the paint on defense, both with reliable mid-range shots on offense.

Don't know if the Clips would do this, but wouldn't it be better to send Finley, Red Rocket and Mahinmi and keep RMJ? He's been fairly solid as a backup point, so he could fill in behind Hill as George develops into a threat, which it looks like he can.

I sure would like to see the Spurs return to the days of holding teams to 40% scoring!

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How about these for lineups:

1st String
Tony
Mason
Jefferson
Tim
Camby

2nd String
Hill
Manu
Bogans (if he pans out, Haislip if not)
McDyess
Blair

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Originally Posted by K-State Spur

mason fills a role and is good to have so long as you keep him in the right role.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Many people on this board overvalue Mason. Yes he is our best shooter, but what else can he do? How much does his lacking overall game negate his 42 percent mark from downtown? It's not like he's going to see 30 minutes like he did last year either with Manu and RJ taking up 60 minutes at the wing position that were Finley and Mason's.

Having someone in the spot up shooting role for 20-24 minutes a game can be easily replaced on the offensive end. He may not be a 42 percent shooter from downtown, but someone who shoots a high 30 percent would be fine if that player can bring other things to the table like defend, create off the dribble (whenever opponents close hard on our shooters ( without turning it over), has a higher BBIQ, has more length to contest shots, being a better rebounder, is more disruptive and active off the ball offensively and off the ball in passing lanes defensively. All those things I just mentioned Mason is below average at. The only thing he does above average is shoot the ball. He can be replaced.

For the right price I'd ship Mason in a package for a better all around wing like Nocioni/ Stephen Jackson/ Shane Battier.


Give me a player that will defend effectively and shoots 35 percent from 3 and I'll take him over Mason's overvalued 42 percent mark from downtown.

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Mason would be fine in the spot up shooters role, but if we can package him into a deal to get a better player at the position we can't turn that down.

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Originally Posted by Agloco

+1

Pretty much every "trade Mason" poster is basing their opinion on his play after he took over part time PG duties. The Spurs asked him to fill a role that he wasn't hired to do, and for that they paid the price. Mason is a spot up chucker, period. Let him do what he does and he will produce for you.

I don't expect Pop and RC to repeat those mistakes.

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There's more aspects to the game than just spot up shooting. Mason's inability to do a lot of things ( mentioned above) negate's his 42 percent mark from downtown to some extent. Im not basing my opinion on trading him due to his play after his " PG" duties. I'm basing my opinion on his overall play. ( Defense, rebounding, ability to contest shots, rebounding, putting the ball on the ground, ect.).